BeNeLux [Quenched]

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:53 pm

First off, I want to say... Yowza! This map has come quite a ways, and I like the general direction. So lets see...

Hm, I like the textures you are using. They are rather simple, but add a little character to each of the areas. Noord still needs a little touch of something, as does Belgisch, and West. But you are going in the right direction there. You might even want to consider doing something with the non-gameboard area, if you use textures everywhere else.
The water for the map looks like a picture of real water...is it? It sort of looks out of place, maps tone down some of the 'ripples' in the water, and it will look a little better.
There are a few things you will have to clean up. Some of the country divison lines look sligtly pixely. Try softening some of those 'square' edges...like those near Liege and Namur, among oter places.
Also, it looks like your army shadows a too small to hold the army coordinates.
Are each of the 'crests/coat of arms' needed? They seem like they are crowding this map, and I think it would benefit from seeing them gone.
I'm also not a big fan of your current bridge image, look into some other possibilities.
And what about shhortening some more of the extra long names? O. Vlaanderen, W. Vlaanderen, N. Holland, Z. Holland. What can you go regarding Greiwmaacher, Vlaamse Ardennen and Belgisch Limburg? If possible, maybe shorten those names down.
While doing a quick scan, it looks like the north of the map can be pretty strong. If you take Noord and Oost, you've got some prime bonus...and if you manage to grab West along with those, you can limit your lovely borders down to 3 borders...for a bonus of 10! Yowza! I assume that area might be hotly contested during gameplay, but take a closer look at that area.

--Andy

CaraLucia · Post by **CaraLucia** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:40 pm

I agreed with Andy, the map is to crowdy.

What is the real size of the map. The map for placing on CC is bigger than the map we see in this forum, I think.

We are coming to something. if we can use the tips of Andy.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:30 pm

What can you go regarding Greiwmaacher, Vlaamse Ardennen and Belgisch Limburg? If possible, maybe shorten those names down.

greimaacher i don't know about but i think tese are for the others good:
Vlm. Ardenne Bel. Limburg

socralynnek · Post by **socralynnek** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:34 pm

The region Greeiwemacher could also be called Remich. It's shorter and it's the Kanton south of Grevenmacher.
Or Schengen (small but known cuase of a famous meeting of some prime ministers)

RuS · Post by **RuS** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:44 pm

Wisse wrote:What can you go regarding Greiwmaacher, Vlaamse Ardennen and Belgisch Limburg? If possible, maybe shorten those names down.

greimaacher i don't know about but i think tese are for the others good:
Vlm. Ardenne Bel. Limburg

And you can make Limburg into Nl. Limburg

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:21 pm

socralynnek wrote:The region Greeiwemacher could also be called Remich. It's shorter and it's the Kanton south of Grevenmacher.
Or Schengen (small but known cuase of a famous meeting of some prime ministers)

Yeah, you got a point. Schengen is a small town, but most of the people know or hear about the Schengen Agreement:
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The 1985 Schengen Agreement is an agreement among European states which allows for common policy on the temporary entry of persons (including the Schengen visa) and the harmonisation of external border controls.
A total of 28 countries – including all European Union states except the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, but including non-EU members Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland – have signed the agreement and 15 have implemented it so far. Border posts and checks have been removed between Schengen countries and a common 'Schengen visa' allows tourist or visitor access to the area.
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And of course I will use the suggestions of Andy. The suggestions are a benefit of the playability and visuality.

Grtz
MarVal
member of De Veroveraars Club

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:35 pm

Below the latest development of the map BeNeLux.

UPDATE 08
Larger map :
(600x456)

(Click to reduce to mapsize 500x380)

Some suggestions that were mentioned:

- Shorter names of the countries.
- New graphics such as textures, bridges and water.
- Remove of the coats of arms.

AndyDufresne wrote:While doing a quick scan, it looks like the north of the map can be pretty strong. If you take Noord and Oost, you've got some prime bonus...and if you manage to grab West along with those, you can limit your lovely borders down to 3 borders...for a bonus of 10! Yowza! I assume that area might be hotly contested during gameplay, but take a closer look at that area.

Must I put an attack route from De Peel to De Kempen for the playability?
(Then Zuid-Nederland gets 4 bonus armies and Vlaanderen 5 bonus armies).

So let us know what U think about the map BeNeLux so far.

Grtz
MarVal
member of De Veroveraars Club

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:59 am

i don't like the texture of zuid nederland

sam_levi_11 · Post by **sam_levi_11** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:45 pm

i just looked at the first post and i think the map looks brilliant and id play it

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:11 pm

MarVal wrote:Must I put an attack route from De Peel to De Kempen for the playability? [/b]
(Then Zuid-Nederland gets 4 bonus armies and Vlaanderen 5 bonus armies).

You SHOULDNT put that route... but even without it, Vlaanderen bonus could be 5.

About Zuid Nederland texture, its good, but could be a bit softer.

I used to like the Coat of Arms

Maybe is you reduce then a bit and use a transparence effect they would fit well...

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:05 pm

Marvaddin wrote:I used to like the Coat of Arms Maybe is you reduce then a bit and use a transparence effect they would fit well...

The next update I will put them back with you're suggestions. We shall see what people think about it.

Grtz
MarVal

Anarchist · Post by **Anarchist** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:19 am

1 love the map, i would play it

Dont get rid of the coat of arms! adjust maybe but dont get rid alltogether
Keep the names as accurate as possible9dont shorten them to cease complaints
Textures wouldnt hurt-but its not needed

Why isnt this Map available yet?

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:48 pm

Anarchist wrote:1 love the map, i would play it

Dont get rid of the coat of arms! adjust maybe but dont get rid alltogether
Keep the names as accurate as possible9dont shorten them to cease complaints
Textures wouldnt hurt-but its not needed

Why isnt this Map available yet?

Because Andy wrote that I must changes some suggestions of him (in an earlier Topic) to benefit the playability and gameplay on the map BeNeLux.
I'm still working on it.

Grtz
MarVal

P.S.: Thanks for you're support.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:53 pm

Ana, As much as everyone would love to have the long accurate names, it isn't feasible. If they are too long, they effect the layout of the buttons. Shorter names are definitely the route to go.

--Andy

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:55 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:As much as everyone would love to have the long accurate names, it isn't feasible. If they are too long, they effect the layout of the buttons. Shorter names are definitely the route to go.

--Andy

wrong map?

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:58 pm

Maybe you should read above posts before commenting. :-\

--Andy

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:05 pm

ok read it still dont get it

Lanceyboyuk · Post by **Lanceyboyuk** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:31 pm

I think andy is saying that it would make buttons confusing and also the script would get complicated

Mysty · Post by **Mysty** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:38 am

i have a question here... can someone tell me when this map is going to be playable on CC?
i've just started a all Dutch/Belgian Tourny and it would be very great if we can play on our homelands (sort 'o speak)

so... has a date been set or is it still in development?

thnx for your reply

greetzzz

caspertk · Post by **caspertk** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:15 pm

mysty: think it's still under construction, although it would be nice to play benelux tournament on this map

have been looking at the progress of this map since a while now, can't wait to try it out. i'm not playing this game long enough to drop comments that make a lot of sense concerning playability etc., but i agree with the one who stated that 3 border countries could offer 10 bonus (when holding North/east/west nederland) is something to look at.

keep up the good job!

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:50 pm

caspertk wrote:... but i agree with the one who stated that 3 border countries could offer 10 bonus (when holding North/east/west nederland) is something to look at.

My suggestion is to make another attack route from Limburg to Belgisch Limburg. So there will be 4 routes to attack cq defend (the Netherlands contra Belgium/Luxembourgh).
Is that oké?

Grtz
MarVal

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:00 pm

Below the latest development of the map BeNeLux.

UPDATE 09
Larger map :
(600x456)

(Click to reduce to mapsize 500x380)

Some suggestions that were mentioned:

- Country-lines in La Wallonie.
- Coats of arms in the background.
- Attack route from Markizaat to Walcheren.
- Vlaanderen 5 extra armies instead of 4.

So let us know what U think about the map BeNeLux so far.

Grtz
MarVal
member of De Veroveraars Club

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:40 pm

I have two words about what I think of the map BeNeLux so far: Final Forge.

Nikita_2006 · Post by **Nikita_2006** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:31 pm

Happysadfun you are disgusting, the kind of talk you used to know that you don't like mrs Clinton does not fit on this forum.

It does me remind on the manners of some of the moslim-terrorist your nation is fighting against.

Bad bad bad.

I send a message to CC about your words and hope that they block you from this forum.

Shame on you

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:23 pm

Nikita_2006 wrote:Happysadfun you are disgusting, the kind of talk you used to know that you don't like mrs Clinton does not fit on this forum.

It does me remind on the manners of some of the moslim-terrorist your nation is fighting against.

Bad bad bad.

I send a message to CC about your words and hope that they block you from this forum.

Shame on you

what did you think, he is in hendy's clan!

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