Egypt: Nubia [Quenched]

[cairnswk]

Any comments?

[ZeakCytho]

I don't like the look of the new roads. They look like they were drawn haphazardly and just don't have a nice feel to them. Maybe if you smoothed out the transition from light to dark it would be better.

I like the new colors - it's much easier to tell the 2nd and 3rd Cataracts apart.

I suggested this earlier, but didn't get a reply. I think the pillar Taharqa sits on was better when it the main color was light and the flourishes on it were dark. Right now, the main part of the pillar is dark and the design-bits are light. I don't think flipping the current colors would work, since the pillar would blend into the desert then, but you could lighten the pillar a few shades and use a very dark color for the designs.

[cairnswk]

I don't like the look of the new roads. They look like they were drawn haphazardly and just don't have a nice feel to them. Maybe if you smoothed out the transition from light to dark it would be better.

Roads should be better now.

I like the new colors - it's much easier to tell the 2nd and 3rd Cataracts apart.

Kewl

I suggested this earlier, but didn't get a reply. I think the pillar Taharqa sits on was better when it the main color was light and the flourishes on it were dark. Right now, the main part of the pillar is dark and the design-bits are light. I don't think flipping the current colors would work, since the pillar would blend into the desert then, but you could lighten the pillar a few shades and use a very dark color for the designs.

Still working on this one...haven't been able to do anything that looks better than what it is now, and don't think reverting to past column in those previous colours will cut the mustard...so will see what i can come up with next version.

I'm pretty sure I made the comment before that the space between the columns at the bottom of the map is kinda dead compared to the liveliness of the rest of the map.

That should be fixed now.

Are Nobo-arba and Nobo-sitta able to attack each other, the well, and Nobo samsa? I find that jumble of attack routes fairly confusing.

Yes that still has to be tidied. But they will all be able to attack each other.

Here's current Version 9

[max is gr8]

The bits in the middle are a bit bland, maybe add farms or something along the side as scenery.

[cairnswk]

The bits in the middle are a bit bland, maybe add farms or something along the side as scenery.

max...once again, thanks for the suggestion.
these territories are almost pure desert. farms would in most likely hood have been with those territories marked and not in the spare space. I know what you are saying, but it probably just wasn't there. This is a very harsh land. Even the current Sudanese only raise cattle in most of these areas and they are nomadic herds. The lower delta area was much more fertile for farming. if however i think of something appropriate i will addition it to the map.

[Lone.prophet]

nice looking map here

though i dont like how the roads are now cause
1. they look messy and choppy
2. they are a bit to blended i think i didnt see them at first hand
3. they are confusion in direction and route

[cairnswk]

nice looking map here

though i dont like how the roads are now cause
1. they look messy and choppy
2. they are a bit to blended i think i didnt see them at first hand
3. they are confusion in direction and route

Thanks lone.prophet

[Lone.prophet]

and maybe the stones at Aniba and Askut it looks asif the connect the 2 territories i dunno if that also is the case

the rest look awesome

[cairnswk]

Here's current Version 9

[cairnswk]

and maybe the stones at Aniba and Askut it looks asif the connect the 2 territories i dunno if that also is the case

the rest look awesome

ah, so i need to put the impassables on - the river and the cataracts.

[Lone.prophet]

i guess dont really understand, but now it looks asif they connect the 2 territories though i doubt that that is how you want it too

[AndyDufresne]

Yes, they look like they are shallows connecting regions...maybe if you adjust the placement so at least 1 side is touching non-gameboard areas, that may clear up the issue.


--Andy

[cairnswk]

Yes, they look like they are shallows connecting regions...maybe if you adjust the placement so at least 1 side is touching non-gameboard areas, that may clear up the issue.
--Andy

Rather than that Andy, I have added instructions to the legend about the Cataracts.

nice looking map here
though i dont like how the roads are now cause
1. they look messy and choppy
2. they are a bit to blended i think i didnt see them at first hand
3. they are confusion in direction and route

These should be fixed now for the better....less confusing perhaps.

Version 10.

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[Lone.prophet]

def better but i think you can make them more noticable.

and as a question do the boatsterritories also connect to other boatsterritories on the same nile piece, like KUBBAN connects to SERRA?

[cairnswk]

def better but i think you can make them more noticable.

Mmmmm !

and as a question do the boatsterritories also connect to other boatsterritories on the same nile piece, like KUBBAN connects to SERRA?

No. Perhaps i need to put there: The River Nile is passable only to territories opposite each other using the Dows....
or is that too wordy?

[TaCktiX]

I don't think it's necessary as this wasn't an issue with Lower (quenched) or Upper (I,Gp,Gr) Egypt, which have the exact same Dow mechanic. I think everyone's simply assumed that it's "directly across" and nothing more spectacular, especially since you're selling all three maps as simple classic gameplay.

[Lone.prophet]

maybe the description with the divide may cause people to think boats attack but i didnt just wanted to make sure of it

[cairnswk]

I don't think it's necessary as this wasn't an issue with Lower (quenched) or Upper (I,Gp,Gr) Egypt, which have the exact same Dow mechanic. I think everyone's simply assumed that it's "directly across" and nothing more spectacular, especially since you're selling all three maps as simple classic gameplay.

So everyone's happy with it as it stands now?

[gimil]

I got a few small questions.

1. The use of dows and cataracts may be a confusing aspect from a gameplay point of view. Would you consider using bridges instead? I feel it will cut out some headache that it may cause.

2. I dont really like the layer effects used the the top part of the legends/title, I prefer the simplier and cleaner text you have used on the lower legends on the map.

[cairnswk]

Version 11.

Small Changes:
1. adjusted the roads and darkened the top layer
2. re-spaced and increased size of some nobo terts
3. copied well of ramesses into the legend
4. changed the down text to see if that is clearer
5. changed the background colour on the column under Taharqa

[cairnswk]

I got a few small questions.

1. The use of dows and cataracts may be a confusing aspect from a gameplay point of view. Would you consider using bridges instead? I feel it will cut out some headache that it may cause.

No, sorry...the theme of these Nile maps is using dows (Lower and Upper also) and apart from small stream wooden bridges (which may have been around), I don't beleive I've seen anything in writings of the ancients to suggest they build bridges over the Nile.

2. I dont really like the layer effects used the the top part of the legends/title, I prefer the simplier and cleaner text you have used on the lower legends on the map.

Fair enough, but this is the same style used on the other maps and i'd like to keep it. However, i may adjust the bottom somewhat.

Thanks Gimil.

Current Version 11

[gimil]

I can live with the dows personally

But the title area and the dow and cataracts explaination text jsutdoesnt do it for me, Its to bold and clumpy feeling rather than crisp and neat like the text throughout the other edgyt maps.

[cairnswk]

I can live with the dows personally

But the title area and the dow and cataracts explaination text jsutdoesnt do it for me, Its to bold and clumpy feeling rather than crisp and neat like the text throughout the other edgyt maps.

OK...hows this, same size as the other maps and same colours as the legend.

Version 12

[yeti_c]

Not been back in here for a while - but this map has come on a lot.

1 small nitpick "Well of Ramessess" -> "Well of Ramessess II" (Can you make the name consistent between the 2)?

C.

[cairnswk]

Not been back in here for a while - but this map has come on a lot.
1 small nitpick "Well of Ramessess" -> "Well of Ramessess II" (Can you make the name consistent between the 2)?
C.

Please F5....Thanks C...small but necessary nitpick so i forgive you LOL Ramesses is spelt in google several ways so i have chosen the Ramesses style....same as used in VOTK.