The Soviet Union [Quenched]

[pepperonibread]

Alright...
100th reply to this thread! (and update):



Changes:
-Switched colors of continents
-Made "Arctic Islands" separate from other continents
-Changed "Southern Russia" to "Southeast Russia"
-Added translation under Soviet motto
-Made river between Taymyr and Mirny flow into ocean
-Moved a few names and army circles
-Made westernmost river longer
-Speeled "Sevastopel" rite

To do:
-Mountains? I didn't change these, as I've got no idea where to go with them.
-Regarding the motto, I think that it's fine how it is. I'm not trying to say "It's my map, let me do it my way," but I don't see a solid reason to change it. IMO, Stalin best represents the USSR in one aspect, as does "Workers of the World, Unite!" in another.
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Cairnswk. Back to Russia as you so requested. Just one Q... are you trying to make us feal 100% dislecsik with thouse fonts???

It's working!
-Comments?

[cairnswk]

Pepperonibread....good image updates....good feedback from punters...good gameplay intereaction and details....a well deserved....

Move into the Foundry

[Gnome]

I like this map...I'm searching for good comment but I don't really find things that bothers me...
Only some names that can be moved inside there own territory...like Moscow that hits two borders while it can be fitted better...Also Komi can be moved a bit down so the I doesn't touch the upper border...Maybe there are some others...
It's just a detail...maybe other people don't think it had to be moved...I just wrote this because I don't find anything else to critic on

Question: on the mountain border perm-Khanty Mansi, there is a blue line or something...Is it supposed to be a river or is it a crossable way? or a mistake?

Good work, I like it

[pepperonibread]

I like this map...I'm searching for good comment but I don't really find things that bothers me...
Only some names that can be moved inside there own territory...like Moscow that hits two borders while it can be fitted better...Also Komi can be moved a bit down so the I doesn't touch the upper border...Maybe there are some others...
It's just a detail...maybe other people don't think it had to be moved...I just wrote this because I don't find anything else to critic on

Question: on the mountain border perm-Khanty Mansi, there is a blue line or something...Is it supposed to be a river or is it a crossable way? or a mistake?

Good work, I like it

The little greenish-blueish line is just an artifact of the texture. I'll fix it.
I'll move the names, too.

[spinwizard]

I don't think the mountains realy fit the theme...

[Gnome]

I don't think the mountains realy fit the theme...

I don't really agree with this...I do like the mountains in this theme

[khazalid]

love this map so far. just one niggling matter - can it be "workers of the world unite - you have nothing to lose but your chains"

and can you pepper it with random chapter headings from das kapital, because some of them are really cool!

the strife between workman and machine

the fetishism of commodities and the secret thereof

the secret of primitive accumulation

?


not that im suggesting soviet russia was in any sense marxist (it wasnt) but hey. really nice map. i cant remember from memory if Ulyanovsk is on it but if so ulyanovsk can be +1 because of the historical importance to the soviet state. check up check up x

[spinwizard]

I don't think the mountains realy fit the theme...

I don't really agree with this...I do like the mountains in this theme

meh!

[khazalid]

quenchy quench quenchity

[pepperonibread]

love this map so far. just one niggling matter - can it be "workers of the world unite - you have nothing to lose but your chains"

and can you pepper it with random chapter headings from das kapital, because some of them are really cool!

the strife between workman and machine

the fetishism of commodities and the secret thereof

the secret of primitive accumulation

?


not that im suggesting soviet russia was in any sense marxist (it wasnt) but hey. really nice map. i cant remember from memory if Ulyanovsk is on it but if so ulyanovsk can be +1 because of the historical importance to the soviet state. check up check up x

Thanks! I'll be sure to check on that. At least by Wikipedia, "Proletarians of all countries, unite!" is more accurate, but I agree that "Workers of the World, Unite!" does sound cooler; I may change that. Also, I don't think Ulyanovsk is on their, but I'm thinking about adding a +1 bonus for Moscow (for obvious reasons).

[militant]

Thanks! I'll be sure to check on that. At least by Wikipedia, "Proletarians of all countries, unite!" is more accurate, but I agree that "Workers of the World, Unite!" does sound cooler; I may change that. Also, I don't think Ulyanovsk is on their, but I'm thinking about adding a +1 bonus for Moscow (for obvious reasons).

I really dislike maps where there is a small bonus because say for example i was in a 1vs1 and my opponent started with that although its only one army it is a big advantage over time, i dont think you should add it.

[khazalid]

workers of the world is just a different translation, go with whichever takes your fancy skip.

'the ultimate aim of this map is to lay bare the economic law of motion of modern society' is also a nice distortion. i think that was marx himself, obviously with 'map' replaced by 'work'

anyway, 10/10. concept is excellent, graphics are excellent, playability looks to be excellent

[pepperonibread]

Thanks! I'll be sure to check on that. At least by Wikipedia, "Proletarians of all countries, unite!" is more accurate, but I agree that "Workers of the World, Unite!" does sound cooler; I may change that. Also, I don't think Ulyanovsk is on their, but I'm thinking about adding a +1 bonus for Moscow (for obvious reasons).

I really dislike maps where there is a small bonus because say for example i was in a 1vs1 and my opponent started with that although its only one army it is a big advantage over time, i dont think you should add it.

What I meant to say is that it would give a +1 bonus, but the XML would be coded so that it would always start neutral, like the stars in WWII Eastern Front.

[asl80]

love this map so far. just one niggling matter - can it be "workers of the world unite - you have nothing to lose but your chains"

not that im suggesting soviet russia was in any sense marxist (it wasnt) but hey. really nice map.

Thanks! I'll be sure to check on that. At least by Wikipedia, "Proletarians of all countries, unite!" is more accurate, but I agree that "Workers of the World, Unite!" does sound cooler; I may change that.

I agree - A much better phrase in english (and hey, why can't a translation be a little liberal to give it force in the new language, as i'm sure it did in the original language {Was Marx writing in german or english at that stage anyway?})

P.S. And just as an aside, the updated and contempoary slogan is;
"Workers of the world unite! You've got nothing to lose but your chains ... your morgage, two cars, dvd player and consumerist convenience!"

[khazalid]

marx hardly ever wrote anything. engels wrote the original in german i think

[khazalid]

haha yes. nice addendum.

you ever stumble across pierre bourdieu, social/cultural capital and such?

[asl80]

no no, point me in the direction of some ...
or a little taste here?

[ooo, actually, after a quick wiki search - i do remember coming across some of his field-habitus stuff - a little vague on it though]

[khazalid]

just on the materialism bit.. slightly relevant but not entirely so...

anyway, moving swiftly on. this map rox ur sox

[MasterKujacnbsh]

I dont like the color of Far East. I looks unplayable.

[AndyDufresne]

Glad to see that this map is moving along. So many people tried to work a Russia map...and the answer all along was the Soviet Union.

Into the map now...is the route between Caucasus and Turk. to increase movement around the map? I almost think European Russia could benefit from losing that border, but that is up for debate.

The Artic Islands work well as a highway around the map, though watch the length of the names. I'd look into perhaps shortened or abbreviated names for them...or at least the Novo. one.

The current layout with the names can be somewhat confusing. I think some areas you might have to move the names around. For instance, take a look at Aktobe/Orenburg. On first glance it's difficult to exactly tell which name goes where. Perhaps if you moved orenburg to left side of the shadow, and nudged stalingrad left also? Might be a few others to play around with.

I'd almost consider adding a route from Chukotka to Novo Island...to increase movement in this area...I'm just thinking as I'm typing so bare with me. In the west of the map, is a larger number of attack routes, but in the east they are more sparse. Consider the great defense of Mirny and Irkutsk...two countries that can seperate the map. The west don't have an parallel. So really perhaps adding the route wouldn't do much...but I'd look into the "West" vs "East" scenario. (Ironic that I'm talking about West vs East in regards to a Soviet Union map. )


--Andy

[pepperonibread]

Glad to see that this map is moving along. So many people tried to work a Russia map...and the answer all along was the Soviet Union.

Into the map now...is the route between Caucasus and Turk. to increase movement around the map? I almost think European Russia could benefit from losing that border, but that is up for debate.

The Artic Islands work well as a highway around the map, though watch the length of the names. I'd look into perhaps shortened or abbreviated names for them...or at least the Novo. one.

The current layout with the names can be somewhat confusing. I think some areas you might have to move the names around. For instance, take a look at Aktobe/Orenburg. On first glance it's difficult to exactly tell which name goes where. Perhaps if you moved orenburg to left side of the shadow, and nudged stalingrad left also? Might be a few others to play around with.

I'd almost consider adding a route from Chukotka to Novo Island...to increase movement in this area...I'm just thinking as I'm typing so bare with me. In the west of the map, is a larger number of attack routes, but in the east they are more sparse. Consider the great defense of Mirny and Irkutsk...two countries that can seperate the map. The west don't have an parallel. So really perhaps adding the route wouldn't do much...but I'd look into the "West" vs "East" scenario. (Ironic that I'm talking about West vs East in regards to a Soviet Union map. )


--Andy

I'll color-code my responses
Blue: I agree with you here, I guess I'll see what others think.
Red: Easily fixed.
Green: I'll be moving these around, especially once I start working on the small map.
Pink: I'm not so sure about this (up for debate as well)
Orange: Really, you also need an island to secure your borders, but I see your point. I'll see if I can go anywhere with this "West vs. East" idea.

[Elijah S]

I really like this map and am looking forward to playing it!

The Stalin, icons, and font are appealing and seem to capture a real Soviet Era feel.

WTG!

[flyingdics]

The Russian at the top has a typo. The final letter "B" should be a "b". They are completely different letters. Great map!

[amazzony]

I really like this map (though I despise Soviet Union). And though it was an era between Russian Empire and Russian Empire then it shouldn't be called Russia because it was completely different. But that to that.

What's bothering me a bit is the text. I mean, actually one letter to be more exact Letter "R". When you turn it around like it's done in this map then it's absolutely different letter in Russian. But I guess it's a really tiny thing so not important.

And there was mentioned the mountains - they are perfect. They are exactly where they should be - Urals - the border that in different contexts is considered as the border between Asia and Europe.

Quibbler amazzony

[pepperonibread]

The Russian at the top has a typo. The final letter "B" should be a "b". They are completely different letters. Great map!

Alright, I'm confused. Does anybody have the motto in capital letters, like I have now?