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Phx99 wrote:I can sdmit there are things I find "far fetched" and I'm a Christian.
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happysadfun wrote:Phx99 wrote:I can sdmit there are things I find "far fetched" and I'm a Christian.
Phx99
Then your not a Christian.
happysadfun wrote:Phx99 wrote:I can sdmit there are things I find "far fetched" and I'm a Christian.
Phx99
Then your not a Christian.
Caleb the Cruel wrote:All you need to be Christian is believe everything that God has done for you. All the rest is just how a Christian should live life.
AtomicSlug wrote:I don't normally get involved in religion or politics because the threads tend to get long and nowhere very fast.
However, I can say a few things about the Bible:
1) The Old Testament was passed down word of mouth for a very very long time before it was even written. There are bound to be embellishments and discrepancies contained therein.
2) The oldest COPIES (there are no originals) of the New Testament date to around 100AD. All these copies are different, and most were embellished by the scribes. For example, there is a current debate whether Jesus even said "let he without sin cast the first stone". This was added by scribes later.
3) The council of Nicea (is that right?) chose which books to include in the Old Testament and Torah. The Church (presumably catholic) chose which books to include in the New Testament. The Greek Orthodox version is different than the "Vatican" version as far as I know.
4) Countless texts that did not agree with the Church's view of Christ were banned from the Bible (see history channel "Banned from the Bible" and other type shows and books).
In my life I've had several "Born Again Christians" try to tell me that the Bible is the word of God. Period. IMHO, the Bible is the word of MAN who may or may not have "talked" with God.
AtomicSlug wrote:
3) The council of Nicea (is that right?) chose which books to include in the Old Testament and Torah. The Church (presumably catholic) chose which books to include in the New Testament. The Greek Orthodox version is different than the "Vatican" version as far as I know.
wcaclimbing wrote:AtomicSlug wrote:I don't normally get involved in religion or politics because the threads tend to get long and nowhere very fast.
However, I can say a few things about the Bible:
1) The Old Testament was passed down word of mouth for a very very long time before it was even written. There are bound to be embellishments and discrepancies contained therein.
2) The oldest COPIES (there are no originals) of the New Testament date to around 100AD. All these copies are different, and most were embellished by the scribes. For example, there is a current debate whether Jesus even said "let he without sin cast the first stone". This was added by scribes later.
3) The council of Nicea (is that right?) chose which books to include in the Old Testament and Torah. The Church (presumably catholic) chose which books to include in the New Testament. The Greek Orthodox version is different than the "Vatican" version as far as I know.
4) Countless texts that did not agree with the Church's view of Christ were banned from the Bible (see history channel "Banned from the Bible" and other type shows and books).
In my life I've had several "Born Again Christians" try to tell me that the Bible is the word of God. Period. IMHO, the Bible is the word of MAN who may or may not have "talked" with God.
i read the stuff in the quote above, but then it was really boring and i skipped down to the bottom where you asked if i was asleep. To answer your question:
no I did not fall asleep, but it sure was boring.
Did you copy/paste that or take that much time to type all of that out and post it?
AtomicSlug wrote:And to answer Aladriel, the Old Testament was based on the Torah (please correct me if I am wrong).
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