When TRANNIES kill people...Were they born that way???

[DirtyDishSoap]

Well, given your stance on the subject isn't gong to change, and mine won't either, you can view this thread again and reminisce all your talking points.

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[Pack Rat]

This is Amerikkka right? Don't tread on me right? Get government off my back!


https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTAaj5ETm/


Just another distraction by pedos and other real crimes by Trump.

[Apatheist]

I don’t think a person (any person) needs to have the “right” to FORCE their business or employment into a space that doesn’t want them. I don’t think one’s irrational belief should be forced upon other people. If a business can legally exclude a man from a “woman only” gym or pole-dancing studio then they should be allowed to exclude a transwoman.. because a transwoman IS a man. PERIOD. Seems pretty basic and straightforward to me.

How do you feel about ultra-orthodox bakers refusing to make cakes for gay couples?
Which side is forcing their "irrational belief" on other people?

[jimboston]

https://youtu.be/Za0Qr4NWB-g?is=D6c7bRN2nKL36cOM

SkyNews is pretty far Right… but on this issue I agree with them.

A private woman only / woman centered business like this should be maintain that status as “woman only”.
This business is likely NOT viable if the government forces the owner to accept Transwomen (i.e. Biological Men).
Many women just will choose to NOT go to classes if there’s a Transwoman in attendance… it’s just a fact.

Maybe it varies by country, but Sky News is one of the furthest LEFT of the UK mainstream media, along with the BBC (with one or two exceptions) and the Guardian.
The Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph are much further to the right.
GB News is the only main TV/radio news outlet that airs the right wing view too, although they have had some left-leaning presenters, but most of their discussion programmes do include commenters from both sides of the spectrum.

SkyNews Australia was the link… i’ve seen a lot of pretty far Right content from them. Maybe it’s the same program and not the whole channel… I see like 5 or 6 different faces.

[jimboston]

I don’t think a person (any person) needs to have the “right” to FORCE their business or employment into a space that doesn’t want them. I don’t think one’s irrational belief should be forced upon other people. If a business can legally exclude a man from a “woman only” gym or pole-dancing studio then they should be allowed to exclude a transwoman.. because a transwoman IS a man. PERIOD. Seems pretty basic and straightforward to me.

How do you feel about ultra-orthodox bakers refusing to make cakes for gay couples?
Which side is forcing their "irrational belief" on other people?

I think the answer is “it depends”…

*I think if a gay couple walks in and wants to buy a pretty standard cake, then the owner should have no right to refuse.
*I think if a couple (any couple… gay, straight, black, trans, disabled, etc) walk in and want a custom cake that has elements the baker finds offensive, then that baker should have a right to refuse. The baker doesn’t have to be ultra-orthodox…
- let’s say a couple wanted a picture of an erect cock on the cake… doesn’t matter if they are gay or straight, I think the baker has the right to refuse.
- let’s say the couple wanted a cake made in the shape of a swastika… I think the baker has a right to refuse.
Like pornography I would say “community standards” should prevail.
*I also think that a baker does this at his/her own peril… and that the person refused service can appeal to Social Media. Social Media can shut down the bakery… we don’t need the government to be involved.

This holds true with the pole dancing class… let the community decide, not the courts.

[Apatheist]

I don’t think a person (any person) needs to have the “right” to FORCE their business or employment into a space that doesn’t want them. I don’t think one’s irrational belief should be forced upon other people. If a business can legally exclude a man from a “woman only” gym or pole-dancing studio then they should be allowed to exclude a transwoman.. because a transwoman IS a man. PERIOD. Seems pretty basic and straightforward to me.

How do you feel about ultra-orthodox bakers refusing to make cakes for gay couples?
Which side is forcing their "irrational belief" on other people?

I think the answer is “it depends”…

*I think if a gay couple walks in and wants to buy a pretty standard cake, then the owner should have no right to refuse.
*I think if a couple (any couple… gay, straight, black, trans, disabled, etc) walk in and want a custom cake that has elements the baker finds offensive, then that baker should have a right to refuse. The baker doesn’t have to be ultra-orthodox…
- let’s say a couple wanted a picture of an erect cock on the cake… doesn’t matter if they are gay or straight, I think the baker has the right to refuse.
- let’s say the couple wanted a cake made in the shape of a swastika… I think the baker has a right to refuse.
Like pornography I would say “community standards” should prevail.
*I also think that a baker does this at his/her own peril… and that the person refused service can appeal to Social Media. Social Media can shut down the bakery… we don’t need the government to be involved.

This holds true with the pole dancing class… let the community decide, not the courts.

In the case I have in mind: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32065233 it was complicated by being in Northern Ireland, where religious beliefs have been the cause of much strife. Probably not the best idea to "let the community decide". They wanted a slogan and some logos, which went against the baker's beliefs.

[jimboston]

A local bakery here posted a picture of a recent cake they made, I don’t know if was a kid’s or adult birthday.

The customer asked for an image of Cartman from Southpark where a nazi-like uniform and having a Hitler-like mustache.
It’s from some episode I guess… but I don’t recall which one.

The baker did the image, but did not include a swastika… IDK if the was on Cartman’s coat or not in the show, and IDK if it even matters or not for the story. The image was clearly “Cartman as Hitler”.

Obviously Southpark is not pushing white supremacist ideology. They are making fun of it.

Apatheist customer is a Southpark fan, so one would assume they also get the joke.

Some people on the Facebook page were blasting the baker for doing, some just for posting it, and some couldn’t care or were defending him.

I think the baker can do what he/she wants… and if they cross a line they’ll lose business. Simple.

[jimboston]

In the case I have in mind: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32065233 it was complicated by being in Northern Ireland, where religious beliefs have been the cause of much strife. Probably not the best idea to "let the community decide". They wanted a slogan and some logos, which went against the baker's beliefs.

I’d say… bake the cake. I don’t think the government should be able to MAKE someone write “Support Gay Marriage” if they don’t agree with the statement. PERIOD.

I would say they must bake the cake, but they can give the customer the Piping Bag and let them write the slogan.

I would say if they deny this customer and the local people support gay marriage then the business will lose… but that’s their decision. Why do the courts need. to be involved.

I also would say that the business was dumb… they should have denied the business based on the use of copyrighted images (i.e. Bert & Ernie). Furthermore I think that the copyright owner should now be able to sue both the other bakery that made the cake AND the person who requested it, for using their copyright image.

I also think that a cake saying “Support Gay Marriage” is less offensive than one that says that combined with images from a children’s puppet show.

Bert & Ernie have never been portrayed as gay and have always slept in separate twin beds… this gay rights organization has NO right to misuse a children’s puppet without the copyright owner’s permission.

How come that is ignored, and everyone seems upset about nothing. The customer found another baker easy enough.

[HitRed]

Apatheist, you and symm would have been great friends.

[2dimes]

No idea why I was compelled to play.

Here's a question on the trans issue that no-one has so far been able to answer in a way that makes sense to me:
When a person says that they identify as a woman, what exactly are they identifying as?
How do they differ in terms of outlook from a gay or bi man?

It’s someone who doesn’t feel like their biological gender.

If a person is gay they are presumably engaging in sex with someone of the same gender. In your example of a gay man, their sex would be with another man.

If someone believes they are a woman (to what degree that makes them one is a somewhat separate debate) to be gay they would be with another woman. If they were with a man, there would (sort of) only be one man, (arguably) that is Heterosexual sex.

One obvious and real difference between a post op transgendered person having sex with a man and a homosexual having sex with a man, is the number of penises present.

My writing is probably not completely related because even though you did not specify, I suspect you mean a pre-surgical biological male, who considers themselves to be a woman. I suppose your premise is complicated and it is something between those involved. I suspect one or both of them believe there’s a woman. So wether it’s true or not, one man, one woman.. Not gay.

Separately:
Do you believe that identification trumps biology when it comes to being allowed into women-only spaces or sports?
Is it even a thing that bio men should be allowed to have any input to at all?
Should it just be about sports science as far as sports goes, and biology as far as the rest of safe spaces are concerned?
Do you believe that "trans women are women" and there's nothing more to be said?

No, a biological male who has their reproductive organs removed for whatever reason shouldn’t be dominating biological females in competition, that’s silly.

Somewhat unfortunately that’s just my opinion. I have no say or solution.

[Apatheist]

Unusual for this time of year, that was a bad spell of "whether"

You haven't quite got the point of my question though (not a surprise though, no-one ever has).
What quality of a woman does a pre-op bio man feel that makes them identify as a woman?

[jimboston]

Unusual for this time of year, that was a bad spell of "whether"

You haven't quite got the point of my question though (not a surprise though, no-one ever has).
What quality of a woman does a pre-op bio man feel that makes them identify as a woman?

I think only a transsexual could answer that… and there’s probably no universal answer because it’s subjective by definition.

[jusplay4fun]

Unusual for this time of year, that was a bad spell of "whether"

You haven't quite got the point of my question though (not a surprise though, no-one ever has).
What quality of a woman does a pre-op bio man feel that makes them identify as a woman?

I think only a transsexual could answer that… and there’s probably no universal answer because it’s subjective by definition.

So the matter of trans-sexual person, as per JimB, has no universal truth and is subjective, based on the "feelings" of the transgender person. In other words, CRAZY, as I said earlier.


very simply: transgender women are not real women. PERIOD.

I posted earlier:

They were previously called "cross-dressers" or transvestites or gay or weirdos or crazy or mental cases.