Civilitas High - Lesson 4: Arts

[homer_jay]

agreed. we can't go into this assuming we're down to 1 bad student because LC counts as one out of the three we expect. so let's not get ahead of ourselves and assume we have this in the bag...

I also think there's only one scumbag left so barring an zpic screwup we won

FOS

[Maxleod]

Unvote

Vote homer_jay

[hjelp]

Max replaced Kingm and is one of the claimed wallflowers, on DDS’s wallflower-list

[kongming3]

Claiming wallflower is not the same as being wallflower, can we please not blindly trust people who "revealed" their role of vanilla town day 1, especially at this stage of the game? And before anyone brings up the flavour knowledge claim, Ragian is an experienced player who is known to be anti-flavour nonsense and meta-gaming in that way. Scum would have been told of wallflowers or that they're fighting against the wallflowers or some such thing, we weren't just gifted five confirmed townsfolk (incredibly incredibly game breaking) simply because they knew the word wallflower.

On the topic of DDS, his suspicion of dev seems to line up with what I've seen both in the past, as well as today (both posts today by dev were more noncommittal yeah me too whatever you think is best posts that didn't commit to anything or add anything aka Follow the Leader). DDS being killed also shows direct intention by scum that they didn't want to keep him around. It's possible that scum just wanted to frame dev, but the simpler and probably more likely explanation is that a relatively trusted and active townsfolk (DDS) was expressing suspicion of someone (dev), and so had to be taken out.

Regarding Loose, he feels very clearly scum/scum-aligned to me, he sucks up to scum and knew of scum players, but did not reveal that information. I did go back and check the first page player post, however, and his role name is in black, rather than the red of scum or blue of town. Would give more substance to the idea of two scum left (because I'm not sure why he'd be distinguished as 3p otherwise), but he does still fulfill the same anti-town function regardless.

[Devante]

So why would I have voted for both scum players? As far as i'm concerned no one here is a confirmed wallflower

[kongming3]

I'm very glad you brought that up Devante, since it got me to do some due diligence.

Loose

Class suck-up
Welcome, Loose Canon. You are a the suck-up.
Suck-up: You are a good kid, but you suck up to the school baddies. You know who the school baddies are but they don't know who you are.

IT IS NOW RECESS 3

Scum did not know Loose was fellow/allied scum.

And the more interesting bit comes for Charle, the one known to be scum amongst scum.

FOS on Loose as well. Charle is at 6 I think so won't hammer him, would like to hear from some others. Is this the lynch town is going with?

You were supposedly suspicious of Charle, were present and had the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is and get Charle lynched, and you balked and chose not to pull the trigger, and Charle lived another day as a direct result of you making that choice and the day ending shortly afterwards. That by itself doesn't make you scum, but it certainly doesn't give you town credit like you're claiming. Then the next day, homer points out how clearly suspicious Charle is.

ok. let's get some votes. besides your accidental Kingm vote.

i think LC's claim is weak. but charle's claim is an outright lie.

Vote Charle

Two posts afterwards you immediately jump in to push attention back on LC away from Charle.

DDS you seem to be the most active and for better or worse that might work out for town but something isn't sitting right with an active player being so inactive so VOTE LC

And your very next post, without having unvoted, is to again vote LC and keep attention away from Charle

YWh leaning this way for sure so again vote LC

You never shift your vote after that, or vote for Charle, and again, as far as a scum dev would know, Charle is his buddy and Loose is a convenient town patsy.

I don't think any of that conclusively proves you're scum dev, a town player could possibly have made the same choices, but your voting history shows the opposite of what you just claimed, and you still never responded to the point about your Follow the Leader posts.

[Ragian]

Accusation count

Homer - 1 (Max)

With 6 in class, it takes 4 accusations to send someone to the principal's office

[homer_jay]

Max replaced Kingm and is one of the claimed wallflowers, on DDS’s wallflower-list

anybody can be a claimed wallflower. that's far from being a confirmed wallflower though.

i think, with no power roles claimed, dds was the obvious hit for scum. he was by far the most active. not sure if he was right about his suspicions of dev or not, but even wrong, the baddies would want him out of the way and create a large gap in town activity

[hjelp]

These two are LC’s about Mafias.

Depending on how rag mods dds vote on me then vote on king without unvoting me i have 3 or 4 votes on me although with devs twice voting me it feels like more.

I have votes from king, devante and hjelp for sure all of whom are moderately posting players making a safeish activity with the crowd vote and post.
Which is exactly where i might expect to find a mafiosi at this point in the game.

Dds, djf, bunny, king add max in 5 flower townies.
No f'ing way. Maybe 5% chance of mod flaw at most
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Now, also consider that Charle voted for Dev (I qouted Charles’ vote earlier).
It points towards that Kingm, devante, hjelp, DDS, Djf, Bunny all are Townies since I think that LC’s objective was win if Mafia wins, and Mafia Charle didn’t vote on a Mafia.
This added to the Wallflower list leaves at most two baddies lurking in the school - they are kong(Traf) and homer.
I also notice a slight alignment in content what Kong and homer now post. They are trying to avoid attention and try to push for the two ”weak” (as I se it) Townies Max(Kingm) and dev.
They both are ”weak” in that sense - DDS accepted Kingm breadcrumb late and it was one line and dev still wasn’t on the wallflower-list since no claim was made.

Quick recap of the wallflower breadcrumb strat.
From what I know...
Wallflowers
Me
DJ
Hjelp
King/Max

The unknowns
Kong
Dev
Homer

Think it's likely we're pressuring Dev D3.

Now, dev accepted doing a reveal claim but so far kong and homer both don’t.

Anyhow, if we lynch wrong and a Mafia kill then there will be four players left which of two can be Mafias.
Therefor I think it’s about time that all players do their claims. We can’t put anyone at L-2 without the risk of lynch since six players left.

And then we sort out the fake claim(s).

good work hjelp i'd missed the earlier posts for lack of activity. I'm good with a push that way but will hold voting fors now to see if we get a consensus

[hjelp]

Claiming wallflower is not the same as being wallflower, can we please not blindly trust people who "revealed" their role of vanilla town day 1, especially at this stage of the game? And before anyone brings up the flavour knowledge claim, Ragian is an experienced player who is known to be anti-flavour nonsense and meta-gaming in that way. Scum would have been told of wallflowers or that they're fighting against the wallflowers or some such thing, we weren't just gifted five confirmed townsfolk (incredibly incredibly game breaking) simply because they knew the word wallflower.
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@kong
How do you know that scum weren’t told ?? ”… Scum would have been told of wallflowers or that they're fighting against …” - Who are the we in ”… we weren’t just gifted five confirmed townsfolk …” ??

And

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On the topic of DDS, his suspicion of dev seems to line up with what I've seen both in the past, as well as today (both posts today by dev were more noncommittal yeah me too whatever you think is best posts that didn't commit to anything or add anything aka Follow the Leader). DDS being killed also shows direct intention by scum that they didn't want to keep him around. It's possible that scum just wanted to frame dev, but the simpler and probably more likely explanation is that a relatively trusted and active townsfolk (DDS) was expressing suspicion of someone (dev), and so had to be taken out.
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@ kong
”… but the simpler and probably more likely explanation is that a relatively trusted and active townsfolk (DDS) was expressing suspicion of someone (dev), and so had to be taken out.”
The three expressed suspicious by DDS last list-post are kong, dev and homer.
By that - is it therefore you took out DDS and now push for dev and not homer?

[hjelp]

Moreover, it would be to obvious if you kong and homer both push for dev, make it more sense to split in two - hence Max and dev.