Line of Duty Mafia game - DAY 3

[SoN!c]

So: will strike flip scum or not

[strike wolf]

If strike wolf was blocked N1, then scum has a roleblocker, if strike wolf flips town and saw Kong and Devante visit SoN!c -> kongming3 claim collapses.

Unvote strike wolf

I thought the same thing for a second but that's the night Sonic used hard cover on Ragian. Hard cover blocks everything. Scum could still have a roleblocker, I think it's most likely that it was just Sonic that time.

Strike knows this all to well. He saw my role with Charle's letter and the fact i stated in public i gave hard cover to Ragian.

So he knows if he claims roleblocked its the same result.


So again nothing new and again Strike Wolf is just repeating publicly available information and presenting it as his investigative result. There is literally no new, checkable info in his claim. As on N1 and as it is on N2... what are the odds that his claimed actions are a 100% match with that?

And moreover why did Strike investigated Ragian N1 with lots of better suspects...

On D1 Ragian was the most townie looking player..why investigate him..

And now its corrected to "beat cop claim"? Because he knows you can't have 3 tracker/watchers...

C'mon


Unvote

Vote Strike Wolf

A watchers role isnt to watch scummy players. A watcher watches town leaning players to see if scum visits them. N1: Annieh read as stronger town read but with Ragians experience, I figured hed be the most likely visited for a scum kill or other action. N2: It was pretty much between you, Traf and Homer as my best options. Homer seemed likely to be visited by you and I ddint want a repeat of N1, and you seemed more likely to be a target than Traf considering how active youd been.

[strike wolf]

Bye son!c. Sorry to see you go.

[SoN!c]

Bye son!c. Sorry to see you go.

No probs strike - if im wrong im gone

[strike wolf]

Bye son!c. Sorry to see you go.

No probs strike - if im wrong im gone

To be fair, I probably would have voted myself if Id been in your position. Mix of just never having a strong scum read, inactivity and bad luck with night actions. Frankly, even with provable night actions, watcher is as likely to be mafia as town.

[SoN!c]

Hey man, if im wrong then i only blame myself. No probs. But i say 'f*ck It - no way im wrong!" So if i am - im gone. not your fault because 'f*ck It - no way im wrong!"

[strike wolf]

BTW, Hjelp's claim stinks. I think im already at 6 but

Vote Hjelp

Fos DJ

And Ragian's last post sounds a bit like a scum hedging his bets on the case because he knows Ill flip town. Otherwise, I believe his Joatesque claim.

[kongming3]

the fact that kong says that he protected Son!c because Son!c asked for it (no way a seasoned player takes orders written out in the forum for scum to tamper with), and the nature of my role (as well as Annie's it seems). But if you're not even going for it despite having caught him red-handed, how am I to convince everyone else?

This is just a bad faith misrepresentation? I obviously didn't simply decide night target based on one sentence and said as much, pointing out what sonic said to a proven town in Traf was primarily a way to communicate my role intentions without having to needlessly reveal role powers to scum. Sonic was and is clearly a prime target for scum to go for, having the luxury of both being proven town and also having useful role players. He absolutely made the made the most sense for a unrevealed protective role to go for and ignoring that to force a scum narrative that has zero evidence for it and act in bad faith is not logical for town players to do in this position. Being "super convinced" based on a series of unsubstantiated what-ifs, with no evidence for any of them, and justifying that with blatantly false statements feels very sloppy and does not work in town's favour and does not make sense other than as an attempt to muddy the waters from the position of an informed minority (scum).

I also suggest that you follow your own suggestion of a mass claim or sharing actions from earlier and share what your claimed role is going to be. Saying that you did some different ineffective action last night but maintaining plausible deniability by not saying what you did and what else you can do when you acknowledge that any information is still useful to town is rather odd and telling. I don't care if you apparently need to wait for permission from a proven townsfolk to share it, it almost certainly will help town complete the puzzle. You're even claiming to be some sort of multi-capability role so a used up action wouldn't hurt to share, and even if you aren't scum (which I doubt), there is no world scum is wasting a kill on someone suspicious when there is active 100% confirmed town players alive for the end game.

However it appears that the people want to know and truly I wont be a target since im at the top of the lynch list anyways. I have no name and I think my charecter has seen some stuff but Im town and I have a two part role which is why I was curious on what Hjelp was doing and as noted if you think its best to use my power to gain information im all good helping and bringing information. If I am brought to L1, I will disappear and be able to perform a true reveal at night but will die. If I am killed at night, I reveal who gave the order.

Did people (or scum) purposely skip over this? This is easily verifiable, and getting one more verified townsfolk could pretty much break the game wide open for town. Does this end the day/count as the lynch for the day? Feels risky to do today if that's the case, but if we believe this is true then it's very much a useful tool.

If strike wolf was blocked N1, then scum has a roleblocker, if strike wolf flips town and saw Kong and Devante visit SoN!c -> kongming3 claim collapses.

Unvote strike wolf

And if kongming3 flips town then strike wolf claim collapses

It's a gamble if to lynch strike wolf or kongming3. With that said - risking a doc is a high stake

All blatantly false and potentially trying to pre-setup a double mislynch if strike is town? And to be very clear, town would lose on the spot with two mislynches like that if there are four scum, so very dangerous game you're playing. Strike wolf was blocked night one due to Sonic, this is publicly known information and very unlikely to also be the result of a scum roleblocker. Even if scum did have a role blocker, of which there has been no evidence all game for, though I'm not against guarding against, there is absolutely nothing suggesting that would be me (instead of my logical and verified visit of protective role) other than the hopes of scum or potentially misguided town to push what-ifs over more logical lynches. I visited sonic, I had and have no intention of hiding that, it absolutely makes sense for me to have visited sonic, and sonic also had no problems with being role blocked from the visits of either me or Devante.

There is also no dichotomy or conflict of roles or claims or information between me and strike wolf. It is entirely possible we are both town, just as it is possible we're split between factions or both scum (though I can say with certainty the last isn't the case.) The only real conflict of claims with strike is against Ragian and Traf's tracker power claims, and it's pretty obvious that the one who would look the most suspicious with town flip strike would be Ragian.

Still have strike in my potential scum pile, but now below hjelp and Ragian who have both been doing work to misrepresent and push scum narratives, and have both made waffley noncommittal claims I'm not inclined to believe. I would strongly prefer a hjelp lynch before anything else, or failing that, a Ragian Lynch. Vote hjelp.

[kongming3]

Fped by Strike, but I think he's only at 4 votes currently by my count.

[annieh]

LC, if we get Dev II to L-1 and he *goes away*, does that end the day or would we still be looking to pass a vote for a lynch?

I think hjelp partly got pulled out of the pool by me saying they're nice. I retract that argument as it is too subjective and I want to believe everyone.


Keeping my UNVOTE going for now

[annieh]

By Dev II, I mean Djfireside

Sorry

[kongming3]

I doubt that mod is able to confirm or deny anything related to player claims, especially considering it could be totally made up. I think djfireside would need to be the one to answer that, or privately confirm any role related questions with mod. Could be wrong though.

[strike wolf]

I looked and I seem to be at L-1. Ive already full claimed. Watcher (beat cop). Visited Ragian N1 hard cover blocked. Son!c N2. Devante and Kong visited.

Hjelp claimed some role that copies other roles but didnt specify how.

[hjelp]

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Hjelp claimed some role that copies other roles but didnt specify how.

I'm having a back-up role. I'm the reserve. If I visit a town player and the very same player is killed during the same night then I get that player's PR (if any).

[Ragian]

@Kong, how is my claim non-committal? Was the reveal of my action D2 (when you had magically disappeared) non-committal? And no, it does not make sense for you to visit anyone but the cop. I don't believe you at all.

[Loose Canon]

Current Vote Count

Strike 4 - Traf, Sonic, King, Hjelp
Hjelp 3 - DJfireside Strike Kongming
DJFireside 1 - Ragian

[Ragian]

@DJF, how does your role work exactly? I get it that you will disappear when brought to L-1 in order to reveal a player (I presume like Charle did with Son!c), but does that mean that you're lynched? Does the day end? If it doesn't, it makes absolutely no sense that we don't utilise that power. Whether it yields scum or town is more or less the same because the town pile will grow. I'd suggest that you use it on kong, strike, or hjelp.

Unvote also in order to think about this. We have loads of time.

@Son!c, while it's nice to get things going, we need to get this right. You think Strike is scum, I think kong is scum. It's all there for everyone to see and decide.

FP'ed by Loose. Sorry, mate.

[SoN!c]

@DJF, how does your role work exactly? I get it that you will disappear when brought to L-1 in order to reveal a player (I presume like Charle did with Son!c), but does that mean that you're lynched? Does the day end? If it doesn't, it makes absolutely no sense that we don't utilise that power. Whether it yields scum or town is more or less the same because the town pile will grow. I'd suggest that you use it on kong, strike, or hjelp.

Unvote also in order to think about this. We have loads of time.

@Son!c, while it's nice to get things going, we need to get this right. You think Strike is scum, I think kong is scum. It's all there for everyone to see and decide.

FP'ed by Loose. Sorry, mate.

Very true. But i think you are scum while Kong is our Doc..

Anybody wants to counterclaim Doc by the way?

And on a sidenote: why would Strike not be the mafia roleblocker?

Your reasoning that Kong is scum rests solely on him visiting me the night our cop got killed (assuming I, the bodyguard, would have protected the cop). But Strike also claimed he visited me that very same night.

So why does the exact same logic not apply to Strike? Why leave him completely out of it?

I know you hate looking inconsistent… so I’m genuinely curious to see how you’re going to wiggle out of this one.

[Ragian]

That's actually a good point. Annoyingly. I hadn't thought about that, I think. I'm hoping it has to do with the chronology of information and me tunnelling rather than incompetence. I'll get back to you tomorrow when I have time for such possibly embarrassing matters. I will say, however, that as town I don't have to "wiggle", and should I be wrong, inconsistent, or a third awkward possibility, it wouldn't be my first time, and it sure as shite won't be my last time.

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Only briefly about the doc claim: Annie has a protective element in her role, I have a protective element in my role, and I just don't see a doc in this setup (see who's messing with flavour now after all) when you also have your role. Too much protection in my opinion.

[Charle]

I managed to read through the last couple of pages. Sorry guys, I am really tied up on this side and I hate not to play my normal game. Strike's claim seems to be the easy way out, as he knows who visited who anyway, so yes it could be a good scum false claim. But, at this stage I would give him the benefit of the doubt, and my feeling is that at D3 we will more definite answers/clues. So for now Vote DJFireside

[Charle]

Correction .... D4 will have more definite answers

[SoN!c]

That's actually a good point. Annoyingly. I hadn't thought about that, I think. I'm hoping it has to do with the chronology of information and me tunnelling rather than incompetence. I'll get back to you tomorrow when I have time for such possibly embarrassing matters. I will say, however, that as town I don't have to "wiggle", and should I be wrong, inconsistent, or a third awkward possibility, it wouldn't be my first time, and it sure as shite won't be my last time.

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Only briefly about the doc claim: Annie has a protective element in her role, I have a protective element in my role, and I just don't see a doc in this setup (see who's messing with flavour now after all) when you also have your role. Too much protection in my opinion.

Can't wait till tomorrow — 24 extra hours to cook up a good answer should produce some quality and entertaining content!

While you're at it, mind explaining that combo PR of yours in full?
You clearly tracked or watched Traf at some point, and now you've conveniently added a "protective element" to your role. Let's hear this complete hybrid claim?

Because damn, that combo feels *awfully* convenient right now for steering a mislynch onto Kong, doesn't it?

So exact mechanics please — how do the investigative and protective parts actually work together?

And while you're answering… what exactly do you actually know about Annieh’s “Protective Element”?

Because:
a) Annieh has never fully claimed her exact role or given precise protective mechanics publicly, but
b) here you are, using it as a key argument to rule out a Doc in this setup.

(I would like Annieh to remain silent on this for now and let Ragian answer this first).

So Ragian:
1) Why hadn't you thought about Strike also visiting me on N2 (as a potential mafia roleblocker) when you used that exact same logic to frame Kong?
2) Explain your hybrid PR in detail (tracker/watcher + protective element combined).
3) Specify exactly what Annieh's "protective element" is — since you're basing your "too much protection, no Doc" argument (and thus Kong = mafia) on it. You must know the details if you're using it this hard, right?

Because - unless im mistaken - Annieh has not claimed a protective element herself at any point in the thread.

[SoN!c]

Right now; I picture you like this (hard at work ofcourse):