Line of Duty Mafia game - DAY 2

[SoN!c]

PS : @Traf, i still have not asked you the biggest question (which i'd like you to answer for real because it is another scum tell):

Wouldn’t you agree that if you were a scum Tracker, your decision to track me makes perfect sense?...;

I softclaimed bodyguard D1 ("keeping everybody safe at night"). You picked it up but didn't mention it in thread, then at night you tracked me to see who i would protect hoping i can't protect the same target twice (for two consecutive nights)...

Your action was a scum info gathering (scum tracker action), who ever i visited would be the scum target N2.. ( a protective role is mostly forbidden from protecting the same target twice in a row).

It also explains why scum went for Dev on N1 - being sure i would not protect Dev.

Compare that clean strategic reasoning to your "explanation" (which is still not landing)...

[TrafalgarLaw01]

PS : @Traf, i still have not asked you the biggest question (which i'd like you to answer for real because it is another scum tell):

Wouldn’t you agree that if you were a scum Tracker, your decision to track me makes perfect sense?...;

I softclaimed bodyguard D1 ("keeping everybody safe at night"). You picked it up but didn't mention it in thread, then at night you tracked me to see who i would protect hoping i can't protect the same target twice (for two consecutive nights)...

Your action was a scum info gathering (scum tracker action), who ever i visited would be the scum target N2.. ( a protective role is mostly forbidden from protecting the same target twice in a row).

It also explains why scum went for Dev on N1 - being sure i would not protect Dev.

Compare that clean strategic reasoning to your "explanation" (which is still not landing)...

Last time I will answer you cause As i said I'm getting really tired with this.

1. If i were Scum I would almost never target you, cause you are do a wonderfull job for scumm you cause stir among townies.
2. I play scum the same way I play town, why? To not give any giveaways when I'm scum.
3. I did not saw you claimed protective role, but even so I would rahter knwo if you are scum or town, so i knopw what to deal with in game, sayign D1 you are town and have a role does not make you town, so I ahd to be sure.
4. You really will have to apologize for many reasons. BTW your reasoning is not sound at all A. You play your own head cannon and try to fill voids in a por way. You don't know how LC thinks or how he assigned every roll, (Nor does anyone other than LC), B. You mix Conquer club risk with Mafia games. you think I will give preference to Kingm or Dev cause they are clanmates? you might wanna check that scum game again who I gave the victory to. I know why kingm hasn't posted overall in D2. But again that is a CC ralated issue not a mafia related issue. I don't know his role and i would judge him the same as everyone. C. You make your own world and think that how things happen when u have no idea.

[SoN!c]

Ok. Not shifting my vote then. Thanks for making it easy. Keep rambling insults. The problem is you do give lots of giveaways when scum. Thats why you get caught everytime.

[SoN!c]

Okay to summarize: Traf does not want to bring in any content-related counter arguments.

So we have a clean 80% scum probability on him and a 20% dirty "silent town" chance. "Dirty" because he clearly does not want to bring in any content-related counterarguments besides rambling insults like idiot and more.. ; its "im staying as silent as i can if anything just for self preservation sake in future games - because talking gets me into trouble" (and that could be used against me in future games)..

It's very poor play (if town) considering the zombie ghosts situation we are given and need to deal with. If everybody keeps silent then its random lynching in the end.

Traf: If you only wanna play night actions (and stay silent during the day) then ask yourself why does the game has 2 weeks of day time and only 48 hours nighttime..

If you are town then you could actually play give us your scum targets and tell us why. If you keep silent just to keep your chances in future games better and you wanna set an example by suiciding then you alone are responsible for town losing the game.

[Charle]

sorry guys, been caught up with work the last few days and its month end again. Just an honest question to Sonic, what benefit would a mafia tracker have? that must be a very weak role as they already know who are town (and maybe unsure of a 3rd party), but do you think that LC would add a tracker role to mafia? I think we should put traf on ice for now and maybe focus on King, where we left off D1 rather?

[SoN!c]

sorry guys, been caught up with work the last few days and its month end again. Just an honest question to Sonic, what benefit would a mafia tracker have? that must be a very weak role as they already know who are town (and maybe unsure of a 3rd party), but do you think that LC would add a tracker role to mafia? I think we should put traf on ice for now and maybe focus on King, where we left off D1 rather?

I think the chance of a scum tracker is pretty high given the fact the "Paper Trail" role indicates multiple town (and thus multiple scum) PR's...

I mean: Why would we have a town "Paper Trail" PR if there is no trail to follow (scum being mostly mafia goons)?. And we are looking for 4 bad cops.. a tracker role is somewhat close to that (cop flavor role).

+ Without this "equal share" of investigative power on the scum side, Mafia are flying blind...—they pick night kills randomly and hope they don't hit a protected player or get caught. A scum tracker gives the evil team targeted intel. Pure "goon" scum often feels like "sit silent and hope Town mislynches." Giving scum a tracker rewards good scum play (strategy) instead of pure luck.

For example: Scum Tracks potential protectors: Scum team pick's someone who seems townie but defensive. If they visit the eventual night-kill target, you’ve likely found the Doctor..or the Bodyguard and so on.

Or Counter Town investigation (reminder that we are all cops even the scum team so some form of investigative power - like a tracker- makes "LoD sense"), If Town has a Tracker or Watcher, a scum tracker can see who they are tracking..

And Ragian is some sort of tracker/watcher too. Why would town have 2 trackers/watchers?
The chance one of them is on the scum team is way bigger for good balance..

In short: A good scum tracker can turn the Mafia into an informed minority that can surgically remove threats. It rewards coordination and prediction over pure luck (strategy). In skilled hands, it counters strong Town PRs (Cop + Doctor + Bodyguard) and creates believable fake claims that can swing close games (fake claiming town tracker)..

A scum tracker role matches exactly what Traf did and is trying to do. Such a pity - if he is town- that he can only resides to insults instead of any content-related counter arguments.

[Ragian]

Charle, what the hell was that about Devante earlier?

[Ragian]

Also, I'm up for lynching either KingM or Traf. I think KingM has looked a tiny bit more town, while Traf has a stronger claim (I don't necessarily see that his claim and my role is mutually exclusive). However, Traf's actions, lack of posting, blaming me, and yelling at Son!c does make me prefer him...

[Ragian]

On phone here. When was deadline? Can't find it...

[SoN!c]

On phone here. When was deadline? Can't find it...

No worries, THE D2 deadline was extended from 1st to 8th of April.

[Ragian]

I'll be home by then. Cheers.

[SoN!c]

Trafstard! Trafstard! Trafstard! (The Rambling Insulter)
[Verse 1]
Half-past twelve
And I'm scrollin' through the timeline in my bed, all alone
How I hate to waste my evening on your tone
Rambling winds
Blowing garbage from your keyboard as I look around the thread
And it makes me so depressed to see the thread
There's not a point out there
Not one counter argu-hu-ment
[Chorus]
Trafstard, Trafstard, Trafstard — you rambling insulter
Won't somebody help me mute your nonsense away?
Trafstard, Trafstard, Trafstard — you rambling insulter
Take your weak-ass disses far into the fray
[Verse 2]
Keyboard warriors
Think they're savage with a fortune of hot air to spin
It's so different from the real world I'm livin' in
Tired of clowns
Finding new ways to embarrass with the same old spin
Every time you type, the smart ones just log off again
There's not a soul who cares
And it makes me so depressed to see the thread
There's not a point out there
Not one counter argu-hu-ment here!
No one can stand your NON AR-GHU-HU-MENTING @
Your just mad mad mad. . .
[Chorus]
Trafstard, Trafstard, Trafstard — you rambling insulter
Won't somebody help me chase these shadows away?
Trafstard, Trafstard, Trafstard — you rambling insulter
Take your broken flow and drag it through the day
[Bridge / Final Chorus]
Gimme gimme gimme some silence after midnight, not on the day!!
Won't somebody block this fool and make him go away?
Trafstard, Trafstard, Trafstard — the rambling insulter
Trafstard, Trafstard, Trafstard — you rambling insulter
Scum tracker, silent forever, just fade away
No one can stand your NON ARGUMENTING @
Your just mad mad mad. . .
so
Take me to the docters to the break of the day
Gimme, gimme gimme a doctor after midnight

[hjelp]

@ SoN!c
I think the last post was out of bound - the game is that we are assigned roles - we act as representatives of the roles. I read the last post being more personal to the person behind the role and not to the representative role. But I might misinterpret.

[SoN!c]

@ SoN!c
I think the last post was out of bound - the game is that we are assigned roles - we act as representatives of the roles. I read the last post being more personal to the person behind the role and not to the representative role. But I might misinterpret.

You are right

Sorry, me jelling back @Traf (because too many insults went flying my way) Only human..


Because no content-related counter arguments whatsoever - only insults and:

What was all that extra stuff that had nothing to do with the arguments i posted that Traf dragged in there? Like on Kingm - " I know why kingm hasn't posted overall in D2. But again that is a CC ralated issue not a mafia related issue."?? I never posted anything about Kingm on D2 to make him say that..so why bring that up? It's mumbo jumbo besides the question, because not answering the actual questions..

But notice: he says " I know why kingm hasn't posted overall in D2. But again that is a CC ralated issue not a mafia related issue." right after he pointed to Kingm as lynch target..

...
I would vote Kingm tbh.

So yes, i was having a real cop "steam off" moment where im enjoying some beers and had a little fun with ABBA lyrics

[SoN!c]

In Mafia, genuine Town under pressure usually tries hard to prove their case with logic.. Heavy deflection + personal attacks ("idiot" insults) is a common scum tell when they're in a tight spot and don't have good reads (because they never had to) and answers.

[SoN!c]

And Traf’s defense has been weak: mostly insults, deflection, and bringing in irrelevant meta (“CC-related issue” about KingM’s silence on D2) right after pushing KingM as a lynch target on D2... This looks like narrative control rather than genuine Town solving on top of all the other scum tells.

[SoN!c]

So Do NOT default to KingM as a “safe” lynch, KingM’s D2 low activity is suspicious in a vacuum (classic lurker), but he has his "low energy moments' and :

Traf used him as deflection twice (“I know why he’s quiet but it’s not mafia-related” right before he said "I would vote Kingm tbh.".. C'mon? Really? Doing the deflection twice because the first didn't work? High Traf scum tell!

[SoN!c]

"I would vote Kingm TO BE HONEST???" and when that didn't happen he says "I know why he’s quiet but it’s not mafia-related"??? So why saying "I would vote Kingm tbh." in the first place?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

"I would vote Kingm TO BE HONEST???" and when that didn't happen he says "I know why he’s quiet but it’s not mafia-related"??? So why saying "I would vote Kingm tbh." in the first place?

I know why he has been quiet lately, as I said it's nto related to CC. He is in a low energy point at, where he doesn't comment much or interact much, not even in in clan games, so I gues that's why he hasnt' posted.

I would vote him for his D1 posted.

Not related at all

[SoN!c]

"I would vote Kingm TO BE HONEST???" and when that didn't happen he says "I know why he’s quiet but it’s not mafia-related"??? So why saying "I would vote Kingm tbh." in the first place?

I know why he has been quiet lately, as I said it's nto related to CC. He is in a low energy point at, where he doesn't comment much or interact much, not even in in clan games, so I gues that's why he hasnt' posted.

I would vote him for his D1 posted.

Not related at all

And why did you bring that as an answer to my questions? Because i know that too and i have not once questioned Kingm for it on D2.. But it was one of your "BIG rambling answers"..

[TrafalgarLaw01]

"I would vote Kingm TO BE HONEST???" and when that didn't happen he says "I know why he’s quiet but it’s not mafia-related"??? So why saying "I would vote Kingm tbh." in the first place?

I know why he has been quiet lately, as I said it's nto related to CC. He is in a low energy point at, where he doesn't comment much or interact much, not even in in clan games, so I gues that's why he hasnt' posted.

I would vote him for his D1 posted.

Not related at all

And why did you bring that as an answer to my questions? Because i know that too and i have not once questioned Kingm for it on D2.. But it was one of your "BIG rambling answers"..

When did I bring that in D2?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I answered Annieh on who would we vote unofficialy

[SoN!c]

B. You mix Conquer club risk with Mafia games. you think I will give preference to Kingm or Dev cause they are clanmates? you might wanna check that scum game again who I gave the victory to. I know why kingm hasn't posted overall in D2. But again that is a CC ralated issue not a mafia related issue. I don't know his role and i would judge him the same as everyone. C. You make your own world and think that how things happen when u have no idea.


For the record; this was a direct answer to my questions, not to annieh's.

But whatever right? And it's not that important anymore; You just keep deflecting as you go.

[SoN!c]

"When did I bring that in D2?" : not that long ago (on D2)

[TrafalgarLaw01]

"When did I bring that in D2?" : not that long ago (on D2)

Again not to your answers, other than saying I do not mix clans games with Mafia-
But again you making up your own