[CC12] R3: FALL (17) vs S&M (29) - S&M Wins - Final 12/8/22

[GoranZ]

Honestly, everyone knew this war was coming, why wasn't the games ready to be sent well ahead of time?

Away games I can see a delay filling, but no excuse for home games

On purpose of course.

Why someone wouldn't fill home games after they are created?
On purpose again.

Not filling home games on purpose seems to try to give opponent team less time to set up their teams.

Davekettering would never do this…
That being said RL you guys pulled some of this too…that messed up our timing.
I get cup is bigger then RL you guys did similar…maps unknown vs known is different I get that

I'm not organizer or RL for FALL, even my participation is minimal. And its not the same event as CC.

Regardless of what is your answer, FALL posted their home games inboth set 1 and set 2 later than deadline

Not really, our R1 home games were created and filled a week before yours, and we were late for R2 a lot less than you for R1.
On the other hand you have home games where away players are waiting for your men.

[josko.ri]

Honestly, everyone knew this war was coming, why wasn't the games ready to be sent well ahead of time?

Away games I can see a delay filling, but no excuse for home games

On purpose of course.

Why someone wouldn't fill home games after they are created?
On purpose again.

Not filling home games on purpose seems to try to give opponent team less time to set up their teams.

LOL.

How would your away teams be affected based on who is playing in our home teams?
You are trying to send your best players for particular maps/settings of our home set irregardles od which players play in our team.

Why someone wouldn't fill home games after they are created?
On purpose again.

If you are asking a question then please give me a chance to answer your question by myself, not make yourself "ultrasmart" by already "knowing" the answer because you clearly dont know the correct answer here.

I wanted to give everyone of 28 participating players at least 2 games in set 1, which is 56 spots out of total 86 available spots.
In home set, some maps can be played by about 15 clan members whereas for away maps this number goes down to about 7-8 players.
Therefore, by filling set 1 home and away with the same deadline (7 days after games creation), I can have more freedom to combine who goes to home and who goes to away maps, on the way that everyone plays at least 2 games.
This is widely used strategy of filling games in CCups.
In our recent war, TOFU also filled their set 2 home and away simultaneously as the 6-weeks deadline was approaching.

Just for clarification for everyone reading, GoranZ made complaint about our late filling home set 1 games to TO JPlo64, and this is JPlo64's answer received by pm (as it is official rules interpreting answer and apllies to anyone playing CCup, I believe I am free to share it publicly for everyone's education):

If I follow this correctly, the main disagreement is on when must a Clan send invites for their home games.

As the agreed upon rules read, I interpret that the deadline for Home side And Away side to be the same.

In my opinion, "Exchanging games" would include creating the game, but not necessarily sending home invites.

There is one major event that does have specific deadline on filling the home side, CL. But in the CL rules, it explicitly makes a statement that home side must be filled by a certain time which differs form the away.

So GoranZ, you are such an ass that TO officially explained to you by pm that per CCup rules S&M is not at fault by not filling home games at the same time when they are created, yet even after his explanation you dare to come out with this issue publicly, still claiming that S&M is at fault by not filling home games at the same time as creating them?

[josko.ri]

Regardless of what is your answer, FALL posted their home games inboth set 1 and set 2 later than deadline

Not really, our R1 home games were created and filled a week before yours, and we were late for R2 a lot less than you for R1.
On the other hand you have home games where away players are waiting for your men.

If you created your R1 home games several days before the dadline, thatbis totally up to your discretion. If you ask me, you could have created the games one month in advance if you wish so. However, official deadline is not counted as when you created games, deadline is counted as when you officially POSTED the games in the game creating thread. Timestamp when you posted your R1 home games is 6 hours after the deadline. THIS matters, not when the games were created but without being posted. Created but not posted games you can still delete and replace but once when games are posted you cannot change them anymore.

In this moment, more than 8.5 days passed since our posting of Round 1 home games, yet you still didnt send away invites for them although the agreed deadline is 7 days. You were late to all deadlines so far (sending set 1 home, filling set 1 away, sending set 2 home) whereas we were late to only one deadline and for our being late we gave you compensation as you had requested from us (which was that we needed to send set 2 home games ar 12 hours before the deadline, which we indeed did as you requested). So please dont play crybaby here when you are at bigger fault than us, instead look at yourself in the mirror and ask how much were you late?

[josko.ri]

Also GoranZ, you already filled some of our Round 2 home set games, yet there are several of our Round 1 set games without invite sent from your side still. This is clearly breaking the war rules, if we wanted set 2 games to be filled first, then we would have sent them in set 1.

[GoranZ]

If I follow this correctly, the main disagreement is on when must a Clan send invites for their home games.

As the agreed upon rules read, I interpret that the deadline for Home side And Away side to be the same.

In my opinion, "Exchanging games" would include creating the game, but not necessarily sending home invites.

There is one major event that does have specific deadline on filling the home side, CL. But in the CL rules, it explicitly makes a statement that home side must be filled by a certain time which differs form the away.

So GoranZ, you are such an ass that TO officially explained to you by pm that per CCup rules S&M is not at fault by not filling home games at the same time when they are created, yet even after his explanation you dare to come out with this issue publicly, still claiming that S&M is at fault by not filling home games at the same time as creating them?

Different TO in previous CC give different opinion.

In this moment, more than 8.5 days passed since our posting of Round 1 home games, yet you still didnt send away invites for them although the agreed deadline is 7 days.

Not really, your men filled R1 home games on 12-th, all our men joined the games before or on 17-th(R1 and R2), within 5 days.

Also GoranZ, you already filled some of our Round 2 home set games, yet there are several of our Round 1 set games without invite sent from your side still. This is clearly breaking the war rules, if we wanted set 2 games to be filled first, then we would have sent them in set 1.

If you wanted R1 games to start sooner you would have created them sooner, and you would have sent your invites on time, but you dint wanted to, you wanted to keep us in the dark.



The biggest question is which team should join HOME games first, home team or away team?

[Shannon Apple]

Honestly GoranZ, who the f*ck cares? This is so ridiculous, I can't even. The players in their individual games as well as drop and dice, will decide who wins this war.

Some ridiculous argument over who filled games first, or who didn't fill games first is not going to win the war, nor is it going to have any influence on the result in any way.

This is all just nit picking for the sake of nitpicking. It's just a game, and I don't get why someone wants to start drama over such trivial BS.

[Nut Shot Scott]

Wait a minute. Are you complaining because games were created on time but not entirely filled by players? Lmao.

[GoranZ]

Wait a minute. Are you complaining because games were created on time but not entirely filled by players? Lmao.

No, in roughly half of S&M games away team was waiting for ALL home team members to be invited.
In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

And yes not knowing who your enemies will be gives the opponent team unfair advantage. In the case of FALL it might be the one that is the decisive one. You can check on your own how many of our Semifinals and Finals in CC have ended with 1 point difference

[josko.ri]

Wait a minute. Are you complaining because games were created on time but not entirely filled by players? Lmao.

No, in roughly half of S&M games away team was waiting for ALL home team members to be invited.

These is nothing against rules in this, rules state that invites (for set 1 and set 2) need to be sent before particular deadline, but rules does not separate home from away invites.
Therefore, home and away invites can both be sent at the same time as long as they were sent before the deadline.
This is not only my interpretation of rules, OP confirmed through private message that this interpretation is correct.

In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

LOL, just LOL.
At first, your statement a lie because you are mentioning games in plural whereas truth is that one our player did not accept an invite for ONE game (singular, not plural), which were originally sent 36 and 12 hours before the deadline.
I put my alarm just before the filling deadline to double check whether all games are filled and found that the one game was not yet filled and quickly found replacement player among our players who were online at that time, and that replacement player joined immediately after receiving the invitation.
Note, my choice of players to invite was limited only to a few clan mates who are online around midnight CC time, which does not necessarily be the best player for that map from all available players.

But you know what is the best here and the most hilarious?
That ONE GAME (singular, not plural as GoranZ is implying) started less than 7 (yes, by words it is: SEVEN) minutes after the midnight deadline, which was time which I needed to find who is willing to play this game and immediately accept invite among players who were online and can accept this invite.
However, consider this, GoranZ was late for 1 day and 6 hours with sending his home set 2 games, as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5259297
By sending FALL set 2 home, he effectively shortened our time to plan how to fill these games, from 6 days to 4 days and 18 hours.
Therefore, it is your fault GoranZ that you gave me shorter time than what I should have by rules, which implied later sending invites by me and then late filliong of ONE game by SEVEN MINUTES.

So please dont play upper hand here, like we are at fault, but you "do not mind". You are totally at fault!

[GoranZ]

Wait a minute. Are you complaining because games were created on time but not entirely filled by players? Lmao.

No, in roughly half of S&M games away team was waiting for ALL home team members to be invited.

These is nothing against rules in this, rules state that invites (for set 1 and set 2) need to be sent before particular deadline, but rules does not separate home from away invites.
Therefore, home and away invites can both be sent at the same time as long as they were sent before the deadline.
This is not only my interpretation of rules, OP confirmed through private message that this interpretation is correct.

In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

LOL, just LOL.
At first, your statement a lie because you are mentioning games in plural whereas truth is that one our player did not accept an invite for ONE game (singular, not plural), which were originally sent 36 and 12 hours before the deadline.
I put my alarm just before the filling deadline to double check whether all games are filled and found that the one game was not yet filled and quickly found replacement player among our players who were online at that time, and that replacement player joined immediately after receiving the invitation.
Note, my choice of players to invite was limited only to a few clan mates who are online around midnight CC time, which does not necessarily be the best player for that map from all available players.

But you know what is the best here and the most hilarious?
That ONE GAME (singular, not plural as GoranZ is implying) started less than 7 (yes, by words it is: SEVEN) minutes after the midnight deadline, which was time which I needed to find who is willing to play this game and immediately accept invite among players who were online and can accept this invite.
However, consider this, GoranZ was late for 1 day and 6 hours with sending his home set 2 games, as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5259297
By sending FALL set 2 home, he effectively shortened our time to plan how to fill these games, from 6 days to 4 days and 18 hours.
Therefore, it is your fault GoranZ that you gave me shorter time than what I should have by rules, which implied later sending invites by me and then late filliong of ONE game by SEVEN MINUTES.

So please dont play upper hand here, like we are at fault, but you "do not mind". You are totally at fault!

I guess you don't feel comfortable that you can win without using cheep tactics. You even changed the creation time of your Round 1 games multiple times despite being late in every single one of them.

[josko.ri]

Wait a minute. Are you complaining because games were created on time but not entirely filled by players? Lmao.

No, in roughly half of S&M games away team was waiting for ALL home team members to be invited.

These is nothing against rules in this, rules state that invites (for set 1 and set 2) need to be sent before particular deadline, but rules does not separate home from away invites.
Therefore, home and away invites can both be sent at the same time as long as they were sent before the deadline.
This is not only my interpretation of rules, OP confirmed through private message that this interpretation is correct.

In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

LOL, just LOL.
At first, your statement a lie because you are mentioning games in plural whereas truth is that one our player did not accept an invite for ONE game (singular, not plural), which were originally sent 36 and 12 hours before the deadline.
I put my alarm just before the filling deadline to double check whether all games are filled and found that the one game was not yet filled and quickly found replacement player among our players who were online at that time, and that replacement player joined immediately after receiving the invitation.
Note, my choice of players to invite was limited only to a few clan mates who are online around midnight CC time, which does not necessarily be the best player for that map from all available players.

But you know what is the best here and the most hilarious?
That ONE GAME (singular, not plural as GoranZ is implying) started less than 7 (yes, by words it is: SEVEN) minutes after the midnight deadline, which was time which I needed to find who is willing to play this game and immediately accept invite among players who were online and can accept this invite.
However, consider this, GoranZ was late for 1 day and 6 hours with sending his home set 2 games, as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5259297
By sending FALL set 2 home, he effectively shortened our time to plan how to fill these games, from 6 days to 4 days and 18 hours.
Therefore, it is your fault GoranZ that you gave me shorter time than what I should have by rules, which implied later sending invites by me and then late filliong of ONE game by SEVEN MINUTES.

So please dont play upper hand here, like we are at fault, but you "do not mind". You are totally at fault!

I guess you don't feel comfortable that you can win without using cheep tactics. You even changed the creation time of your Round 1 games multiple times despite being late in every single one of them.

and to my being late (once, not multiple times, Mr. cheater lies again ), you filled my round 1 games 9 days later than when I created them, clearly extending your available time by rules which is 7 days.

Please lie down Mr. cheater, we will destroy you on the board, despite your dirty play off the board.

[queen victorious]

Honestly GoranZ, who the f*ck cares? This is so ridiculous, I can't even. The players in their individual games as well as drop and dice, will decide who wins this war.

Some ridiculous argument over who filled games first, or who didn't fill games first is not going to win the war, nor is it going to have any influence on the result in any way.

This is all just nit picking for the sake of nitpicking. It's just a game, and I don't get why someone wants to start drama over such trivial BS.

hear, hear, Shannon! apparently boys just can't stop being boys...even when it goes beyond the point of embarrassment. what a shame!

[josko.ri]

Anyone who has a little bit of dignity would shut up after his clan was late in sending both home set 1 and home set 2 as well as filling away set 1, except GoranZ.

However, GoranZ dares to call us out for being late despite that we compensated our lateness by early sending home set 2, as he had requested to be the compensation.

But oh well, it is visible from the space who plays with dingity here and who just trash talks to find excuses in advance why his clan will lose.

Imagine that FALL loses or GoranZ loses because someone is more skilled than him, this sounds like mission impossible.

Instead, I guess that FALL will lose thus war because we filled one our game 7 minutes after the deadline (thankfully, GoranZ "does not mind" this delay).

My hope is that everyone enjoys this war and I am enjoying the gaming part very much.

As for the forum part and who was late to which deadline, this is my last comment on that, if GoranZ thinks that S&M broke any rule here then feel free to report your issue to the Tournament Organizer who will make official ruling.

[Nut Shot Scott]

This is fabulous.

[Shannon Apple]

Honestly GoranZ, who the f*ck cares? This is so ridiculous, I can't even. The players in their individual games as well as drop and dice, will decide who wins this war.

Some ridiculous argument over who filled games first, or who didn't fill games first is not going to win the war, nor is it going to have any influence on the result in any way.

This is all just nit picking for the sake of nitpicking. It's just a game, and I don't get why someone wants to start drama over such trivial BS.

hear, hear, Shannon! apparently boys just can't stop being boys...even when it goes beyond the point of embarrassment. what a shame!

It's so silly and funny, I'm speechless.

He's even suggesting that his clan changes the game lineups based on who is playing on the opposing team. A top tier clan shouldn't have to do that. (And I am doubting that they do. I just think he's looking for something to nitpick and it's not the flex he thinks it is. ). We certainly don't. It's all about the map and settings, not the people we end up playing against. Some of them, I've never played against before. I think I can hold my own with the best of them.

Boys are silly indeed.

[niMic]

And yes not knowing who your enemies will be gives the opponent team unfair advantage.

How? How is that going to make literally any difference?

[rockfist]

Ah S&M getting the full Goranz experience

[Nut Shot Scott]

And yes not knowing who your enemies will be gives the opponent team unfair advantage.

How? How is that going to make literally any difference?

Especially with a clan like S&M. Pretty sure if they choose a home map, the people who play it know what they're doing so bring your 'A' team regardless.

[GoranZ]

Wait a minute. Are you complaining because games were created on time but not entirely filled by players? Lmao.

No, in roughly half of S&M games away team was waiting for ALL home team members to be invited.

These is nothing against rules in this, rules state that invites (for set 1 and set 2) need to be sent before particular deadline, but rules does not separate home from away invites.
Therefore, home and away invites can both be sent at the same time as long as they were sent before the deadline.
This is not only my interpretation of rules, OP confirmed through private message that this interpretation is correct.

In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

LOL, just LOL.
At first, your statement a lie because you are mentioning games in plural whereas truth is that one our player did not accept an invite for ONE game (singular, not plural), which were originally sent 36 and 12 hours before the deadline.
I put my alarm just before the filling deadline to double check whether all games are filled and found that the one game was not yet filled and quickly found replacement player among our players who were online at that time, and that replacement player joined immediately after receiving the invitation.
Note, my choice of players to invite was limited only to a few clan mates who are online around midnight CC time, which does not necessarily be the best player for that map from all available players.

But you know what is the best here and the most hilarious?
That ONE GAME (singular, not plural as GoranZ is implying) started less than 7 (yes, by words it is: SEVEN) minutes after the midnight deadline, which was time which I needed to find who is willing to play this game and immediately accept invite among players who were online and can accept this invite.
However, consider this, GoranZ was late for 1 day and 6 hours with sending his home set 2 games, as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5259297
By sending FALL set 2 home, he effectively shortened our time to plan how to fill these games, from 6 days to 4 days and 18 hours.
Therefore, it is your fault GoranZ that you gave me shorter time than what I should have by rules, which implied later sending invites by me and then late filliong of ONE game by SEVEN MINUTES.

So please dont play upper hand here, like we are at fault, but you "do not mind". You are totally at fault!

I guess you don't feel comfortable that you can win without using cheep tactics. You even changed the creation time of your Round 1 games multiple times despite being late in every single one of them.

and to my being late (once, not multiple times, Mr. cheater lies again )

Let everyone count them on their own...

1-st Missed agreed deadline (Sent: 05 Sep 2022 08:17)

I'll give him a nudge to get them up ASAP

2-nd (Sent: 05 Sep 2022 08:49)

I can follow up with our home games by Wednesday 23:59 CCT

3-rd (Sent: 07 Sep 2022 07:13)

I would be grateful if you allow me slight extension of set 1 deadline for 12 more hours.
Previous deadline: Wednesday 23:59 pm CCT
New deadline: Thursday 11:59 am CCT

4-th (Sent: 08 Sep 2022 08:24)

My next steps are as follows:
By Friday 23:59 pm CCT: invite all players to home set 1

You sent R1 invites after/or on September 11-th(Sunday CC time)


Bonus:

you filled my round 1 games 9 days later than when I created them, clearly extending your available time by rules which is 7 days.

(Sent: 07 Sep 2022 14:29)

Create Round 1 and Round 2 games for S&M then... You guys have our games for 7 days(atm) while we have nothing from your side, and we need to plan away games for two rounds in parallel.

(Sent: 07 Sep 2022 21:35)

Sorry for this confusion but you will surely receive our set 2 way before the deadline and have enough time to plan both sets simultaneously.

You delays left us no other option but to plan both of our sets in parallel so all of our games to be accepted until Sept 17-th(which we did). Even you propose the same thing. IDK why are you complaining now

Please lie down Mr. cheater, we will destroy you on the board, despite your dirty play off the board.

If you have C&A evidence against me please open a case in appropriate section, otherwise apologize. If you do not open a case and you do not apologize I will open a case about your false accusations.

[GoranZ]

And yes not knowing who your enemies will be gives the opponent team unfair advantage.

How? How is that going to make literally any difference?

Have you ever organized an clan war? If so how successful were you?

And yes not knowing who your enemies will be gives the opponent team unfair advantage.

How? How is that going to make literally any difference?

Especially with a clan like S&M. Pretty sure if they choose a home map, the people who play it know what they're doing so bring your 'A' team regardless.

Simply said but its not like this in practice... There are limitations in how many games can a player participate in
And as I said before... Its not up to me to guess who the home players will be, I should know them in order for me to be able to invite the appropriate away team based on the home team.

Ah S&M getting the full Goranz experience

All wars/cl matches I have organized for FALL have less delays than this war with S&M... And less pm's about delays.

[Shannon Apple]

Simply said but its not like this in practice... There are limitations in how many games can a player participate in
And as I said before... Its not up to me to guess who the home players will be, I should know them in order for me to be able to invite the appropriate away team based on the home team.

You are totally NOT inviting teams to away games based on whatever teams we put together. That's a load of nonsense and you know it. Who are you actually trying to convince here? Us, or yourself?

[IcePack]

Simply said but its not like this in practice... There are limitations in how many games can a player participate in
And as I said before... Its not up to me to guess who the home players will be, I should know them in order for me to be able to invite the appropriate away team based on the home team.

You are totally NOT inviting teams to away games based on whatever teams we put together. That's a load of nonsense and you know it. Who are you actually trying to convince here? Us, or yourself?

I don’t really wanna join the debate here, but just chiming in based on my own personal experience - GoranZ absolutely takes into consideration the players of the team.

You can debate all you want whether that’s necessary, or “the normal” or anything else. But claiming he doesn’t do something without actual knowledge of someone’s preparation methods is just as silly as this argument.

[Shannon Apple]

Simply said but its not like this in practice... There are limitations in how many games can a player participate in
And as I said before... Its not up to me to guess who the home players will be, I should know them in order for me to be able to invite the appropriate away team based on the home team.

You are totally NOT inviting teams to away games based on whatever teams we put together. That's a load of nonsense and you know it. Who are you actually trying to convince here? Us, or yourself?

I don’t really wanna join the debate here, but just chiming in based on my own personal experience - GoranZ absolutely takes into consideration the players of the team.

You can debate all you want whether that’s necessary, or “the normal” or anything else. But claiming he doesn’t do something without actual knowledge of someone’s preparation methods is just as silly as this argument.

I really don't really care, to be honest. It's ridiculous, unnecessary and over the top. If he does that then he's a fanatic or OCD because generally the player in red position is team leader anyway and those were invited on game creation and didn't change. Not that it matters since we're not going to choose maps/settings that we're not really good at.

Forgive me, but I will continue to laugh at how crazy this all is. One player didn't accept their invite to ONE game for whatever reason and someone else was quickly invited and accepted right away within minutes of the deadline for joining games. Josko explained all of that in the thread somewhere.

This is what Goran is QQing about, and claiming we were late joining ALL games.

[IcePack]

As I said, I really have zero interest in getting into the debate and details. I only responded because laughing @ and arguing saying someone doesn’t do XYZ, when they actually do and would have no knowledge of it, is silly to assume.

Beyond that and who did what or why or when, I have no real interest in wading through a debate other than to say he does go over those types of details, absolutely, through his war planning efforts.

Go forth and continue the debate if you like, I’m out

[josko.ri]

1-st Missed agreed deadline (Sent: 05 Sep 2022 08:17)

I'll give him a nudge to get them up ASAP

This deadline was also missed by FALL, rules state that set 1 games should be created and posted in the game making thread by Sep 4 23:59 CCT, yet they were posted in the thread by FALL 6 hours later, as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5258565
Posted by GoranZ at Sep 5 05:59 CCT
Any person with a little dignity would shut up of opponents being late, if his clan was late at the first place.

2-nd (Sent: 05 Sep 2022 08:49)

I can follow up with our home games by Wednesday 23:59 CCT

3-rd (Sent: 07 Sep 2022 07:13)

I would be grateful if you allow me slight extension of set 1 deadline for 12 more hours.
Previous deadline: Wednesday 23:59 pm CCT
New deadline: Thursday 11:59 am CCT

This was a delay of 12 hours due to real life circumstances, informed to you very well in advance.
For each of your delays (late sending home set 1, late sending home set 2, late filling home set 1) there was literally no notification to us.
For that one lateness to deadline from S&M side, you asked for compensation (12 hours earlier sending home set 2) and I gave you the compensation as requested.
For your late sending home set 1, home set 2 and late filling away set 1, we have never received neither being offered any compensation.

4-th (Sent: 08 Sep 2022 08:24)

My next steps are as follows:
By Friday 23:59 pm CCT: invite all players to home set 1

You sent R1 invites after/or on September 11-th(Sunday CC time)

This was just an intention, NOT an obligation, which I failed to meet.
Strictly speaking of obligation requirements, obligation is to send all game invites of set 1 in deadline 7 days after you sent us games, which was Sep 5 5:59 CCT, and indeed all our round 1 game invites (home and away) were sent before Sep 12 5:59 CCT.

Bonus:

you filled my round 1 games 9 days later than when I created them, clearly extending your available time by rules which is 7 days.

(Sent: 07 Sep 2022 14:29)

Create Round 1 and Round 2 games for S&M then... You guys have our games for 7 days(atm) while we have nothing from your side, and we need to plan away games for two rounds in parallel.

(Sent: 07 Sep 2022 21:35)

Sorry for this confusion but you will surely receive our set 2 way before the deadline and have enough time to plan both sets simultaneously.

You delays left us no other option but to plan both of our sets in parallel so all of our games to be accepted until Sept 17-th(which we did). Even you propose the same thing. IDK why are you complaining now

What this "bonus" proves?
Yes, as I told in the quote you indeed received our home set 2 games 12 hours before the deadline, am I at fault here?
My saying that "you have enough time to plan both sets simultaneously" implied that you can plan how to fill set 1 from the set 1 game exchange date Thu Sep 8 until next 7 days, and from the set 2 game exchange date Sun Sep 11 until next 7 days, and the fact that you could fill them "simulataneously" is valid for the overlapping period from Sep 11 to Sep 15, not for the entire period until Sep 18. Literally, you filled both set 1 and set 2 around Sep 17 therefore using 9 days to fill set 1 which is much longer than allowed deadline of 7 days.

Even the TO JPlo64 in his reply to your complaining message clearly told that if we were late in sending home set 1 by 4 days (i.e, we sent it by Thursday instead of by Sunday), that means that you have 4 extra days to fill set, until upcoming Thursday. So it was clear that cannot be clearer from his response that you should fill our home set 1 by Thursday 15 Sep, yet you filled it on Saturday 17 Sep.

At the same time, you posted home set 2 with 1 day and 6 hours delay, effectively leaving us 4 and half days to plan how to fill away games, which is much less than how much time should we have by rules:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5259297
"Posted by GoranZ at Sep 13 06:21 CCT"
Again to repeat, any person with a little dignity would shut up of opponents being late, if his clan was late at the first place.

Please lie down Mr. cheater, we will destroy you on the board, despite your dirty play off the board.

If you have C&A evidence against me please open a case in appropriate section, otherwise apologize. If you do not open a case and you do not apologize I will open a case about your false accusations.

To me "cheater" equals to "liar" when he wants to achieve some bigger benefit with telling his lies.
As for the evidence that you asked that you are indeed a liar, this is a lie that you publicly wrote in shameless way in order to manipulate public opinion, without even apologizing for it, or correcting yourself that you wrote a lie:

In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

Your writing that "in fact" some GAMES (plural) started after the deadline is a shameless lie, as there was only one GAME (singular) started 7 minutes after the deadline.
If this is not true, please prove that you are not liar and show links to at least 2 games (to be it plural indeed) which started after the deadline?
If you do not prove that your accusation was not a lie, or do not retract (and apologize for) your "in fact" statement which is not "in fact" but is a shameless lie, then I continue to call you mr. cheater, which is about same as mr. liar.