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[CCX] R3: TOFU (31) vs FOED (24) - TOFU Wins - Final 9/18/20

Postby Doc_Brown on Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:55 am

Conquerors Cup 10: Round 3 - TOFU vs FOED

55 Game War
18 Doubles, 18 Triples, 18 Quadruples plus 1 Tie-breaker game

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show: Schedule and Round Breakdown


show: War Rules
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Extreme Ways on Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:12 am

REVEEEEEEEEENGE :twisted:
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby groovysmurf on Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:17 pm

Doc_Brown wrote:Conquerors Cup 10: Round 3 - TOFU vs FOED

55 Game War
18 Doubles, 18 Triples, 18 Quadruples plus 1 Tie-breaker game

Image VS Image


[url]WAR PAGE[/url]

show: Contacts


show: Schedule and Round Breakdown


show: War Rules


FOED agrees
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:37 pm

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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby shoop76 on Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:16 am

groovysmurf wrote:
Doc_Brown wrote:Conquerors Cup 10: Round 3 - TOFU vs FOED

55 Game War
18 Doubles, 18 Triples, 18 Quadruples plus 1 Tie-breaker game

Image VS Image


[url]WAR PAGE[/url]

show: Contacts


show: Schedule and Round Breakdown


show: War Rules


FOED agrees


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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby donche64 on Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:33 am

Doc_Brown, I expect some royalties for the copycatted thread !! :p
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby loutil on Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:58 am

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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:05 am

Hola good folks of FOED. Looking forward to this encounter :D

Thanks to Doc & groovy for the admin on this thread.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Swimmerdude99 on Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:31 am

Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Doc_Brown on Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:46 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

Looks like xroads isn't either.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:49 pm

Doc_Brown wrote:
swimmerdude99 wrote:Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

Looks like xroads isn't either.


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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:56 pm

IcePack wrote:
Doc_Brown wrote:
swimmerdude99 wrote:Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

Looks like xroads isn't either.


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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:20 pm

Both players have been added to TOFU's roster for this war. They will show up once the database is updated (here in 40 minutes).
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Fyrdraca on Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:49 pm

Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Arama86n on Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:01 am

Go TOFU =D>
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby loutil on Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:02 pm

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby JPlo64 on Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:47 pm

loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Fyrdraca on Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:43 pm

JPlo64 wrote:
loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too


I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby loutil on Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:28 am

Fyrdraca wrote:
JPlo64 wrote:
loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too


I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.


I am sure your team is quite good on those settings. However, there was no skill involved in our game when you take out 3 of us in round 1. Positional drop and going first is all that was needed.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:50 am

On the topic of maps like those... City Mogul. I've had this discussion a number of times among some higher ranking members, and I still feel like drop and start is way more important than skill. I am not the best at that map, never will be, but I do think that I can hold a close-to 50% winrate against those that are much better than I am. It's easy to play when "first turn" means +80 in autodeploys and the first to any major bonus, plus attacker's advantage on subs.

In our game JP and groovy realized that we had better shops setup and simply rushed to arsonist. I don't think what we did ever mattered.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:54 am

And yes, luck also plays a factor on other maps. I think that (for the sake of neutrality) random21 has a stronger possible winrate on Eurasia quads than mc/josko on CM.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby JPlo64 on Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:05 am

Extreme Ways wrote:On the topic of maps like those... City Mogul. I've had this discussion a number of times among some higher ranking members, and I still feel like drop and start is way more important than skill. I am not the best at that map, never will be, but I do think that I can hold a close-to 50% winrate against those that are much better than I am. It's easy to play when "first turn" means +80 in autodeploys and the first to any major bonus, plus attacker's advantage on subs.

In our game JP and groovy realized that we had better shops setup and simply rushed to arsonist. I don't think what we did ever mattered.

Obviously on City Mogul trench there is significant advantage of 1st turn. And if a 1st turn is played perfectly, it can be extremly improbable to overcome.
However, you can win from 2nd if you play it right and the other side does not play it perfectly.
I will stop there without going into what we might have done and what you could have done different ;)
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby JPlo64 on Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:16 am

loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:
JPlo64 wrote:
loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too


I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.


I am sure your team is quite good on those settings. However, there was no skill involved in our game when you take out 3 of us in round 1. Positional drop and going first is all that was needed.


Again, of course on that game drop and 1st turn are significant. And when an elite team on that map gets advantageous drop, there is often nothing the other side can do.
However, an elite team can also overcome a bad drop, even vs another high level team if played just slightly better.
I also will not comment if there was something your side could have done in this game. ;)
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:40 am

JPlo64 wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:On the topic of maps like those... City Mogul. I've had this discussion a number of times among some higher ranking members, and I still feel like drop and start is way more important than skill. I am not the best at that map, never will be, but I do think that I can hold a close-to 50% winrate against those that are much better than I am. It's easy to play when "first turn" means +80 in autodeploys and the first to any major bonus, plus attacker's advantage on subs.

In our game JP and groovy realized that we had better shops setup and simply rushed to arsonist. I don't think what we did ever mattered.

Obviously on City Mogul trench there is significant advantage of 1st turn. And if a 1st turn is played perfectly, it can be extremly improbable to overcome.
However, you can win from 2nd if you play it right and the other side does not play it perfectly.
I will stop there without going into what we might have done and what you could have done different ;)

If we could read the log in our T1, I would've played it slightly different. Your first turn can mean plenty of things depending on what start you have. And I agree that start is not everything, holding the right neighbourhoods also helps a ton. A first turn Y + P in your team anything is GG from the getgo.
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Re: [CCX] Round 3 (Semi-Final) TOFU () - FOED ()

Postby loutil on Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:38 pm

JPlo64 wrote:
loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:
JPlo64 wrote:
loutil wrote:
Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result! :-D

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too


I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.


I am sure your team is quite good on those settings. However, there was no skill involved in our game when you take out 3 of us in round 1. Positional drop and going first is all that was needed.


Again, of course on that game drop and 1st turn are significant. And when an elite team on that map gets advantageous drop, there is often nothing the other side can do.
However, an elite team can also overcome a bad drop, even vs another high level team if played just slightly better.
I also will not comment if there was something your side could have done in this game. ;)

:lol: , ok. I predicted your entire play in our game chat. We had no effective block once you had that absurd stack after 2 turns and nothing we could have done to prevent it.
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