Noted risklover80 - deadbeating [ka]

[Donelladan]

Accused:

risklover80




The accused are suspected of:

Intentional deadbeating



Game number(s):

Game 17280054

Comments: As soon as I broke his bonus the accused stopped playing.

[MagnusGreeol]

Accused:

risklover80




The accused are suspected of:

Intentional deadbeating



Game number(s):

Game 17280054

Comments: As soon as I broke his bonus the accused stopped playing.

- My guess is FAMO, Beataville railroad is a tough train to ride.

[mrswdk]

Why did you ask him to resign in game chat? Didn't realize resigning was possible.

[Donelladan]

@mrswdk
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=222020

[Extreme Ways]

I feel like this report was made mainly to raise awareness of the resign function anyway. With this, deadbeating in speed isn't necessary anymore and it's easy to get annoyed by someone deadbeating because it can always be that asshole that comes back causing you to deadbeat yourself or you simply dont want to lower your attendance.

[mrswdk]

@mrswdk
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=222020

Oh okay, thanks.

No idea why you're complaining about someone deadbeating a speed trench game though.

[Donelladan]

Because I don't want to be standing over my computer waiting for the clock to run out. I wanna do other stuff maybe.

[mrswdk]

Because I don't want to be standing over my computer waiting for the clock to run out. I wanna do other stuff maybe.

It took him 6 minutes to deadbeat that game, probably would've taken longer to play the game to the end.

[IcePack]

So now people going to get punished for not resigning?

[Donelladan]

So now people going to get punished for not resigning?

shhhhh.. absolutely not, they are going to get punished for deadbeating. I have nothing against him if he keeps playing the game till I eliminate him.
Deadbeating has always been against the rule. I didn't speak in my report about resigning. It's mrswdk that asked what I told him in the chat to resign.

I did tell him, do not deadbeat, if you want to give up you can resign. But I didn't want him to resign, nor did I try to force him to resign.I only said so because he quitted.

Now I am reporting him for deadbeating. Deadbeating is against the rule.

Fyi, my favorite speed game setting is poly(3) trench on France 2.1, chained, no spoils. Not the game I played here, but that is the one I played the most often.
It is always faster to finish a poly(3) trench french 2.1 games rather than deadbeating it, even if it's a 1 min game. So yes, I don't want people to deadbeat speed games.
Before I wasn't reporting deadbeat because it was kind of OK. Now I am going to report every deadbeating person until no one deadbeat.

I've told you IcePack that I met people deadbeating even 1vs1 on classic NO trench during speed games. I would like to change how people behave in speed games so that no one deadbeat any games, because that is really annoying.

To do that, I am going to report every deadbeat I met during speed games.

Now, that's for my motivation, but concerning the case described in my 1st post, accused deadbeated the game, deadbeating isn't allowed, that's it.

[mrswdk]

WAITER THERE IS A PEA UNDER MY MATTRESS

[IcePack]

So now people going to get punished for not resigning?

shhhhh.. absolutely not, they are going to get punished for deadbeating. I have nothing against him if he keeps playing the game till I eliminate him.
Deadbeating has always been against the rule. I didn't speak in my report about resigning. It's mrswdk that asked what I told him in the chat to resign.

I did tell him, do not deadbeat, if you want to give up you can resign. But I didn't want him to resign, nor did I try to force him to resign.I only said so because he quitted.

Now I am reporting him for deadbeating. Deadbeating is against the rule.

Fyi, my favorite speed game setting is poly(3) trench on France 2.1, chained, no spoils. Not the game I played here, but that is the one I played the most often.
It is always faster to finish a poly(3) trench french 2.1 games rather than deadbeating it, even if it's a 1 min game. So yes, I don't want people to deadbeat speed games.
Before I wasn't reporting deadbeat because it was kind of OK. Now I am going to report every deadbeating person until no one deadbeat.

I've told you IcePack that I met people deadbeating even 1vs1 on classic NO trench during speed games. I would like to change how people behave in speed games so that no one deadbeat any games, because that is really annoying.

To do that, I am going to report every deadbeat I met during speed games.

Now, that's for my motivation, but concerning the case described in my 1st post, accused deadbeated the game, deadbeating isn't allowed, that's it.

I'm pretty sure you need more then 1 game as your evidence when you report for this.
Not only that, until you got your feature you were apparently just fine with it, and said "it was widely accepted practice" so now what...suddenly its reportable? Should we report all the trench speed players from the past before resign button then?
Its not suddenly against the rules because you have resign button.

It may annoy you, but pushing a damn resign button would be equally annoying to others (me). So, that really can't be justification either.

[Extreme Ways]

I'm pretty sure you need more then 1 game as your evidence when you report for this.

True, but this raises awareness.

Not only that, until you got your feature you were apparently just fine with it, and said "it was widely accepted practice" so now what...suddenly its reportable? Should we report all the trench speed players from the past before resign button then?
Its not suddenly against the rules because you have resign button.

It may annoy you, but pushing a damn resign button would be equally annoying to others (me). So, that really can't be justification either.

It always was against the rules, but it was tolerated. Not allowed, but tolerated. Not there's an alternative to deadbeating that, so Don is exploring the site's view on it. Is it still tolerated but not allowed? Is it looked down upon?

[Donelladan]

Should we report all the trench speed players from the past before resign button then?

Well actually you can. I mean, I am not a C&A mod, so it's only as far as I understand the rule. But I have followed quite closely all the deadbeating C&A thread previously.
In one of them, this is king achilles last answer :

Please stop making a circus out of the C&A forum. I know some of you insist that deadbeating is the only way to end a lost cause in poly trench games and you think that it should be the norm because some of you have already been doing it for some time. I have no qualms if both parties are okay with it and neither of the players is complaining about the game. Nevertheless, that still does not mean this system of intentional deadbeating is condoned. It is still in the rules not to intentionally deadbeat and definitely no one should make a habit out of it. The player has his rights to make a report if the other player is deadbeating intentionally.

If both players involved are fine with one leaving the poly trench game, then we'll consider it a closed case. However, if one party does not approve of the intentional deadbeating, then the other player must play the game. If you give out reasons like you suddenly lost connection coincidentally when you were losing, this is highly questionable and will not be accepted. Just play the game out and lose graciously. The game is not only about you so let's also respect the people we are playing with regardless of how the game is set.

So if you are playing someone, that someone isn't supposed to just leave the game.

Not only that, until you got your feature you were apparently just fine with it, and said "it was widely accepted practice" so now what...suddenly its reportable?

I really think that's irrelevant to the case. But just for the discussion, I'll reply.
I think I told you in the resign button topic already, but not sure. The thing is, yes deadbeating trench speed game is / was a widely accepted practice. But then it get out of hand, and nowadays you have people deadbeating no-trench speed games and people deadbeating 24h trench games - which I don't think it is ok.

Now, this is my view on the matter, before the resign button :
Deadbeating a speed trench game : I can understand
Deadbeating any speed games : no !
Deadbeating a 24h-trench games : no way.

The site view on the matter is : deadbeating any kind of games is against the rule.

I'll also add, it happens that people deadbeat speed trench game even though you can take obj in one round, therefore finishing the game in 2, or they start deadbeating while they only have 3-4 territories remaining ( so it'll be way faster to play the game), which is quite against the spirit.

As I said, I want people to stop deadbeating all the times. I am assuming many speed players think it is within the rule to deadbeat. How am I to tell them to stop deadbeating ? For most of the people I met in the last week, I told them in the chat, I put a message on their wall, and they came back and finished the game. This one here, ignored all ( I also put a message on his wall as well of course). He didn't care. And he was still online apparently ( from his wall ).
So maybe he doesn't know the rule, then getting him a warning will make him aware that deadbeating isn't accepted and he'll stop, end of the story.Or he knows the rule but he doesn't care, then he also deserves a warning and next time a 1 month ban.

[king achilles]

This has been noted.