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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Wed May 04, 2016 6:10 pm

owenshooter wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:He should get his premium back. Think of it like an account being suspended for Point dumping. They can still play games, but that's it. Can't do anything else (That includes create games).

**Probably a poor example, but still. His account has basically been stripped back to the bare minimum until his ban is done, then he get's it back.


i thought when you were stripped, you had to pay to get it back, after your suspension was up. so, you are telling me that in all the point dumping cases we have had, that when they are GUESTed, they get their premium back after the suspension? i just don't believe that is true. you made that comparison, so maybe it was just a poor comparison. i literally have been led to believe that when you are stripped, you have to buy back in.

which is one of the largest complaints this site has ever had from forum goers. forum goers get Guested, lose their premium for words they posted, get banned for a week or 6 months or whatever, then have to buy back in to gain their premium. Game users break the first rule of the site, get premium stripped and can buy right back in and keep playing without a significant vacation from the game.

anyway, you were on the team, so that is literally news to me, if it is accurate. not saying you are wrong, i have just never heard this before. really interesting if that is how it is done...-Bj


There should be a difference between a Forum and Site bans. Forum bans will keep their premium (To my knowledge again). You just lose access to the Inbox/Forum/Wall. They can/could still create as many games as they wanted. (Such as the case was t-o-m, and a few others that had received Perma bans from the forums, but were still Premiums).

Regarding site bans (Mostly results from Major infractions, as well as SD and PD get site bans too). Most Point Dumping bans are a Permaban. I don't remember an instance where one resulted in just a one month ban. The only thing I could think of is if it was out of their control. I know a few were able to come back after sending an eTicket asking to be reinstated. But in that case, their premium had already been expired, so it never came into effect. But if you are on a Site ban, you cannot purchase premium to re-up your account to premium. It's been awhile since I've modded, but if you were to do that, to my knowledge, that purchase would basically stack upon your previous purchase. So if your premium was to expire Jan 1, 2017, it would up it to Jan 1, 2018. It didn't just erase your site ban.

I remember knowing when a member came back from a site ban by spotting them with premium, and it usually coincided with the length of their ban (1 day, 1 week, 1 month).
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Thu May 05, 2016 5:37 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:There should be a difference between a Forum and Site bans.


ahhh, that jogged my memory!!! thanks... that was the biggest complaint about moderation we had going, before the big change happened and the forums became more lenient... the punishments for FORUM VIOLATIONS were far harsher than those for GAMING INFRACTIONS. so, for instance. this guy was busted for actually CHEATING in games. actually breaking a GAMING RULE ON A GAMING SITE (we won't get into how sad/pathetic that is). however, his ban is ONE WEEK of not posting/pm's/wall posts, etc... BUT HE IS PLAYING GAMES!!! now, if i receive a forum ban, you take the forum away from me. that's it. 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, permanent. for words that are posted in a forum, the punishment is more extreme than those for actual GAMING INFRACTIONS that affect the leader board and possibly 100's of members. this guy was busted for cheating in games (secret diplomacy) and he is still able to play in games. just doesn't seem right.

of note, this is all being hashed out and reworked and the new regime has shown an actual interest in setting a lot of this straight. however, i don't think this guy should just pop back up as premium, he broke a gaming rule and should have been stripped of premium, permanently and forced to buy back. oddly enough, you could never BUY BACK into the forum after a large infraction, but you can always BUY BACK into the games, and it is all forgiven. we are talking point dumpers, multis, cheats, etc.. they just pay and they are back to games.. anyway, thanks for jogging my memory!!!

the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s-i love how this user did not think that what they were doing was against the rules. that, or he was feigning ignorance of his blatant disregard for the rules...
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Mon May 09, 2016 12:21 pm

forgivenone, looks like you were correct about the premium... learn something new every day... thanks for the info... hopefully, we have all learned valuable lessons from this... most importantly, the black jesus is never wrong...-Jésus noir
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Mon May 09, 2016 1:47 pm

owenshooter wrote:forgivenone, looks like you were correct about the premium... learn something new every day... thanks for the info... hopefully, we have all learned valuable lessons from this... most importantly, the black jesus is never wrong...-Jésus noir


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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Tue May 10, 2016 9:44 am

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owenshooter wrote:forgivenone, looks like you were correct about the premium... learn something new every day... thanks for the info... hopefully, we have all learned valuable lessons from this... most importantly, the black jesus is never wrong...-Jésus noir


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and sadly, it all ended with this:

Subject: I thought people would want to know...

and again, the stripping of premium... i don't understand how you can be shown how you directly violated the written rules, and you want to have a fight about it? i mean, to the point of a flame thread and calling out the admins/mods? just makes no sense to me... when it's done, it's done... anyway, we all learned some stuff in this thread... all from my attempting to politely get a player to either fill the waiting team spot in one of my games or vacate his slot...-Bj
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby riskllama on Wed May 11, 2016 11:01 am

nope - wrong again, owen!!! premium restored and normalcy returned.
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Wed May 11, 2016 2:36 pm

riskllama wrote:nope - wrong again, owen!!! premium restored and normalcy returned.

"PURCHASED" is not the same as "RESTORED"... the black jesus is always right...-Jésus noir
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby riskllama on Wed May 11, 2016 3:03 pm

nope.
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Wed May 11, 2016 4:13 pm

riskllama wrote:nope.


returned to the forums... thread locked with a "pending" note on the bottom, that had never been seen in the GD before! he had his premium... then, his premium was gone and he was freemium for a good solid day... purchased and back to not thinking that secret diplomacy is secret diplomacy... the black jesus is never wrong... the llama is only sometimes right...-Bj
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby riskllama on Wed May 11, 2016 4:20 pm

owen = wrong
dude, did u even inquire about this before posting??? check with the applicable mod, they'll tell you you're wrong, too. have a nice afternoon being wrong, skip... :lol:
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Wed May 11, 2016 5:12 pm

riskllama wrote:owen = wrong


i don't think so. and the crux of this entire thing is, dude cheated. dude denied cheating. dude was busted for cheating and banned for a week, which included the stripping of his premium. dude came back, went off the rails in the forums and had thread locked. dude became freemium again. dude became premium again. dude is still a convicted CC cheat. and, the black jesus still has a perfect C&A record... the black jesus has spoken... deal with your envy, llama...-Jésus noir
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby riskllama on Thu May 12, 2016 1:48 am

jesuswrong wrote:
riskllama wrote:nope - wrong again, owen!!! premium restored and normalcy returned.

"PURCHASED" is not the same as "RESTORED"... the wrong jesus isn't always right...-Jésus noir

owen,
he DIDN'T purchase/buy back, whatever you wish to call it. it didn't happen like that, it just magically reappeared. just like that.
so, to summarize : owen talking out of his ass = owen being wrong. POW!!!
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby Nymeria Stark on Thu May 12, 2016 12:55 pm

owenshooter being so smug about it is probably even more frustrating to M3MENTO than the ban itself.
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Thu May 12, 2016 3:18 pm

Nymeria Stark wrote:owenshooter being so smug about it is probably even more frustrating to M3MENTO than the ban itself.

i'm not being smug. he just literally had no idea that what he was doing was against the rules and still maintains that what he did was not against the rules, so it is kind of interesting... and kind of sad... by the way, this is long over, so i have no idea why people are still going on about this. people make mistakes, people cheat, people bend rules, they take their punishment and move on. i am probably one of the most disciplined members on this site, so i believe in letting things go... the black jesus turns the other cheek...-Bj
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby rockfist on Thu May 12, 2016 4:37 pm

Does it really matter what one individual player believes is or isn't against the rules? If the rule enforcers tell me something I am doing is against the rules, I can disagree with them, but if I keep doing it I will keep getting punished. Am I right?

Now if its something weird like rockfist is dropping troops and not attacking and ending his turn and we think that's a rule violation that is one thing, but this posting on walls is at best a grey area that they have said is off limits (for the record I agree that any other post other than please read the game chat in game (link) is against the rules, but again that doesn't matter).
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby Dukasaur on Thu May 12, 2016 7:18 pm

rockfist wrote:Does it really matter what one individual player believes is or isn't against the rules? If the rule enforcers tell me something I am doing is against the rules, I can disagree with them, but if I keep doing it I will keep getting punished. Am I right?

Exactly. Even a blind umpire is still an umpire. Respect his ruling or be ejected from the game. If that wasn't the case, we'd have teams going off to court for litigation after every pitch. Accept the good rulings with the bad, be gracious about it, and get back to the game.
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Thu May 12, 2016 7:21 pm

rockfist wrote:Does it really matter what one individual player believes is or isn't against the rules? If the rule enforcers tell me something I am doing is against the rules, I can disagree with them, but if I keep doing it I will keep getting punished. Am I right?

Now if its something weird like rockfist is dropping troops and not attacking and ending his turn and we think that's a rule violation that is one thing,but this posting on walls is at best a grey area that they have said is off limits (for the record I agree that any other post other than please read the game chat in game (link) is against the rules, but again that doesn't matter).


how is this a gray area when the rules clearly state that any communication outside of game chat is against the rules? please explain that... i think the rules are clear:

THE RULES wrote:Rule #2: No secret diplomacy

Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must only be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand. No other methods of communication may be used to hold diplomatic discussions between opponents including, but not limited to, the forum, the wall, Live Chat, or the inbox.


i just don't know how the rules can be clearer... post on a guys wall, "hey, please check game chat," that is ok... post, "hey, you are in my way and i can't break yellow," and even if it is also in the game chat, you are breaking rules... i think it is pretty simple to understand... i don't know why the user that was found guilty of the infraction can not understand that...-Jésus noir
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby rockfist on Thu May 12, 2016 8:11 pm

It's not a grey area in my book. In the most generous of judge's books it might be, but once it's ruled a violation...it's a violation.

I do believe I went on to say that in the next sentence...
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Fri May 13, 2016 9:14 am

rockfist wrote:It's not a grey area in my book. In the most generous of judge's books it might be, but once it's ruled a violation...it's a violation.

I do believe I went on to say that in the next sentence...


you just worded it VERY poorly... i'll let it go... we are saying the same thing... ;) ;) ;) -Bj
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby Dukasaur on Sat May 14, 2016 11:28 pm

owenshooter wrote:
rockfist wrote:It's not a grey area in my book. In the most generous of judge's books it might be, but once it's ruled a violation...it's a violation.

I do believe I went on to say that in the next sentence...


you just worded it VERY poorly... i'll let it go... we are saying the same thing... ;) ;) ;) -Bj

I'm sure his heart can stop palpitating, now that you've decided not to press charges...:P
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Sun May 15, 2016 9:19 am

Dukasaur wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
rockfist wrote:It's not a grey area in my book. In the most generous of judge's books it might be, but once it's ruled a violation...it's a violation.

I do believe I went on to say that in the next sentence...


you just worded it VERY poorly... i'll let it go... we are saying the same thing... ;) ;) ;) -Bj

I'm sure his heart can stop palpitating, now that you've decided not to press charges...:P


i'd be careful with that, i never said those words. and we all know i like to file federal lawsuits in my spare time!! i will BRING DOWN CC AND ANYONE THAT POSTS IN THIS THREAD!!!! sigh... the good ol' new days... ha!!-Jésus noir
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:06 pm

Mentos is in global, stating this entire case was fabricated and not factual... wow...-Jésus noir

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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:41 pm

Count Adhemar wuz here.
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Re: M3MENT0 / Secret Diplomacy[1 week ban] (ka)

Postby owenshooter on Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:06 am

Dukasaur wrote:Count Adhemar wuz here.


i don't know what this means. please clarify.-Bj
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