Streaker's Second Mafia - Endgame - Employees win!

[mtamburini]

I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

You might be confirmed as town, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to you on what to do.

What?

[mtamburini]

@colton24

Why do you town read those people that way? (care to comment on other town reads/ mafia reads other people made on the people you town read?)


as for your points. 1 would you rather i shot blindly at someone you know nothing about, or would you rather there was accountability to whom i shot. And if i happen to shoot you, wouldn't you rather have the option to defend yourself.

second point. Helps me narrow down who is a good shot yes, but what you don't know is last game streaker hosted was an all role game, and literally would have been won instantly with mass claim for town. So, yes i do think it was worth discussion, it generated something to talk about, and i think its given me a lead on a mafia.

3rd point is a bunch of hoo haa. I have accountability because i claimed, and can and will prove it. So all the doubt you throw around is pretty meaningless about the flavor relating to my claim.

So ill define "progression and disappointment" for you. mets hasn't progressed his play besides policy talk. And has not followed up with his case that mtamb is mafia.
Disappointment on mtamb, can be figured out by reading my response to mtamb.

You can be disappointed all you want your play thus far has been shitter.

I agree on your read on metz, he called me scum w/e dont really care for his opinion cause his accusation is null and void but has nto done anything for the last couple days to put pressure on me or look for other reads beside call you confirmed town.

[StorrZerg]

[quote=mtamburini]You know that I know I will lynch you day1 if I think your scum (or at least try to) based on the previous game and I think your changing your play for the worse to not allow me to read you, if this is your attempt to level your play you disgust me[/quote]
its honestly not that complicated... i rolled vig, im strong arming as vig.

secondly i gave a charm read... you have not commented on it.

[Metsfanmax]

I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

You might be confirmed as town, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to you on what to do.

What?

I thought the statement was pretty clear, but let's try again. Someone might be confirmed town, but they still might have pretty awful ideas about how to win the game, in which case I am not going to listen to their advice.

I agree on your read on metz, he called me scum w/e dont really care for his opinion cause his accusation is null and void but has nto done anything for the last couple days to put pressure on me or look for other reads beside call you confirmed town.

I am not everyone's babysitter. I laid out my reasons for why I voted for you. If people want to ignore that and pursue other leads, I am not going to fight for it.

[mtamburini]

I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

You might be confirmed as town, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to you on what to do.

What?

I thought the statement was pretty clear, but let's try again. Someone might be confirmed town, but they still might have pretty awful ideas about how to win the game, in which case I am not going to listen to their advice.

I agree on your read on metz, he called me scum w/e dont really care for his opinion cause his accusation is null and void but has nto done anything for the last couple days to put pressure on me or look for other reads beside call you confirmed town.

I am not everyone's babysitter. I laid out my reasons for why I voted for you. If people want to ignore that and pursue other leads, I am not going to fight for it.

How is he confirmed town...

[charm]

This thread is moving at a snails pace!

So friggin add something by asking a question or stating an opinion on what someone has posted.

Um, helllllooooo...I've been adding all kinds of thoughts!
The good news is that it looks like we are finally getting some activity moving.

UNVOTE

I'm unvoting for right now. I was thinking of leaning on the inactive folks. But was starting to think about if they were management, I would expect the management guys to be all over them to not get lynched. Also, I need to do some research on the game ratio - but would be happy if some of you seasoned mafia gamers put in the counts. If Storr is vig, then he is 3rd party. So, how many are management?

FP'd MTam

[charm]

With a game of 12, my research states that we have 3-4 management. Anyone agree or disagree?

[StorrZerg]

This thread is moving at a snails pace!

So friggin add something by asking a question or stating an opinion on what someone has posted.

Um, helllllooooo...I've been adding all kinds of thoughts!
The good news is that it looks like we are finally getting some activity moving.

UNVOTE

I'm unvoting for right now. I was thinking of leaning on the inactive folks. But was starting to think about if they were management, I would expect the management guys to be all over them to not get lynched. Also, I need to do some research on the game ratio - but would be happy if some of you seasoned mafia gamers put in the counts. If Storr is vig, then he is 3rd party. So, how many are management?

FP'd MTam

no im not 3rd party. i am the town vig..

[dd515087]

Storr, shooting me N1 is not a good idea. Look for my hint.
Probably won't be too active the rest of today. Sorry ahead of time.
You don't want to lynch me.

METSFAN looks scummy for posting that thing about not listening to Storr and him being "confirmed town" and not clarifying till later.

[mtamburini]

[quote=mtamburini]You know that I know I will lynch you day1 if I think your scum (or at least try to) based on the previous game and I think your changing your play for the worse to not allow me to read you, if this is your attempt to level your play you disgust me

its honestly not that complicated... i rolled vig, im strong arming as vig.
secondly i gave a charm read... you have not commented on it.[/quote]

You gave an opinion of what she would do as mafia as opposed to town which does not mean anything to me when weve had discussions about charms play and how she likes to hint at things, so what has she hinted at that makes her town?

FPD a bit

[StorrZerg]

tell me what she said that makes her mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

With a game of 12, my research states that we have 3-4 management. Anyone agree or disagree?

My apologies for being snippy earlier. We are coming down to crunch time and there have been a handful of players participating continually while the rest seem to be on the periphery or non existent. 4 is a possibility though we could conceivably have a sk with 3 mafia as well. Which leads me to Storr.

See this is the reason day one is a crap shoot. Truth is a matter of perception.

What sets my alarm bells may not set others off. Whats ok for some is Taboo for others.

All I know is CC mafia. I have never played elsewhere. One of the un-written rules is you do not claim unless forced to. Others seem to see it different.
(As far as mass claims are concerned I really believe they ruin the spirit of the game. Sure winning is great but there is a reason we all start play not knowing who everyone is. So why do it day one other then to win. The fun part of these games is the journey)

I have always had problems with Vigs saying they like to shoot night one. You let a player create a Meta like that and it gives easy cover for mafia and or a serial killer in future games. We now know Storr seems to have no problem claiming whenever he feels. We know he has no prob doing so as Vig. Weather one agrees or not I have a problem with it. Why??

There are so many WIFOM scenarios my head spins. The reason we have rules/traditions is to keep the WIFOM arguments as narrow as possible. With Storr doing this as you please protocol wise I am now second guessing his intent more.He can now say in future games you know this is my meta.

I have no Idea who mafia are on day one. I do however have no problem voting for someone as a matter of policy. Claiming with no need is usually a deal breaker for me.

Day one is blank slate day dependent on ones actions/choices. Storr you are at the top of my list BUT the Bear guy and colton are there as well. Colton has made one meaningful post but pretty much repeated what others have said with no meaningful insight. The bear guy has offered nothing.

So Storr if a players actions are lynch worthy due to established protocol why should they not be lynched?

[Iron Butterfly]

Gawd I always am still writing when others post ahead of who I am writing to

[StorrZerg]

With a game of 12, my research states that we have 3-4 management. Anyone agree or disagree?

My apologies for being snippy earlier. We are coming down to crunch time and there have been a handful of players participating continually while the rest seem to be on the periphery or non existent. 4 is a possibility though we could conceivably have a sk with 3 mafia as well. Which leads me to Storr.

See this is the reason day one is a crap shoot. Truth is a matter of perception.

What sets my alarm bells may not set others off. Whats ok for some is Taboo for others.

All I know is CC mafia. I have never played elsewhere. One of the un-written rules is you do not claim unless forced to. Others seem to see it different.
(As far as mass claims are concerned I really believe they ruin the spirit of the game. Sure winning is great but there is a reason we all start play not knowing who everyone is. So why do it day one other then to win. The fun part of these games is the journey)

I have always had problems with Vigs saying they like to shoot night one. You let a player create a Meta like that and it gives easy cover for mafia and or a serial killer in future games. We now know Storr seems to have no problem claiming whenever he feels. We know he has no prob doing so as Vig. Weather one agrees or not I have a problem with it. Why??

There are so many WIFOM scenarios my head spins. The reason we have rules/traditions is to keep the WIFOM arguments as narrow as possible. With Storr doing this as you please protocol wise I am now second guessing his intent more.He can now say in future games you know this is my meta.

I have no Idea who mafia are on day one. I do however have no problem voting for someone as a matter of policy. Claiming with no need is usually a deal breaker for me.

Day one is blank slate day dependent on ones actions/choices. Storr you are at the top of my list BUT the Bear guy and colton are there as well. Colton has made one meaningful post but pretty much repeated what others have said with no meaningful insight. The bear guy has offered nothing.

So Storr if a players actions are lynch worthy due to established protocol why should they not be lynched?

Honestly, you should know i generally have great issue with claiming. Often I don't claim even if im at "l-2" While an option is to lynch me to prevent my shot. and see what i am. Another option is to be discussing whom would be a good shot. (other options besides whom we lynch).

I got my role pm. I knew i would claim day 1 because of what i got. Pressure or no pressure, i was going to claim early. Honestly i'd be interested in a game within this year, where someone "claimed early" and was mafia. (on day 1).

As for your thing about protocol. If you blindly follow protocol i think that is lynch worthy. protocol can be excellent for scum hunting (pressuring inactives). So if by me claiming early, and you want to pressure that, and follow that pressure i think that's fine. If one was to just scream "o he claimed early thats lynch worth" and not bother with anything else, i would find that scummy.

[Metsfanmax]

I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

You might be confirmed as town, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to you on what to do.

What?

I thought the statement was pretty clear, but let's try again. Someone might be confirmed town, but they still might have pretty awful ideas about how to win the game, in which case I am not going to listen to their advice.

I agree on your read on metz, he called me scum w/e dont really care for his opinion cause his accusation is null and void but has nto done anything for the last couple days to put pressure on me or look for other reads beside call you confirmed town.

I am not everyone's babysitter. I laid out my reasons for why I voted for you. If people want to ignore that and pursue other leads, I am not going to fight for it.

How is he confirmed town...

He is not confirmed town. My post was a hypothetical, explaining that even if he was to be confirmed town somehow, that I still would not necessarily listen to his comments. Out of context I can see how you might interpret my post that way, but from the context of that exchange it should be pretty clear that I wasn't admitting he is confirmed town.

[mtamburini]

tell me what she said that makes her mafia.

Now your acting like a child are your purposely ignoring previous conversations weve had about charm? If you make me go look in another game thread to quote Im gonna slap you

[StorrZerg]

tell me what she said that makes her mafia.

Now your acting like a child are your purposely ignoring previous conversations weve had about charm? If you make me go look in another game thread to quote Im gonna slap you

the implication is that i haven't found anything that makes her mafia with what she has said.....
As well as if you have, why are you not pointing it out to get a free mafia lynched...

[HotShot53]

Storr, how does proving you are a vig confirm you as town? There could be a mafia vig around (see the game you referenced with the day 1 lynch... a mafia vig willing to shoot on night 1), or you could just do a mafia kill and claim it was a vig kill. So I don't see how you will verify yourself as town in any way.

As to why a scum storr would claim early.... could be because you figure it's best to "prove" yourself early, so no-one looks at you later, because with your play style sooner or later someone will make a case on you, and the earlier you claim the more people will usually believe your claim.

So... it could be that you are following your usual protocol for being a vig, or it could be that you are a scum... not enough information to decide either way, and your shooting someone tonight won't prove it any more for me.

Pretty sure its against the rules for mafia to kill themselves/ kill team mates on purpose. (I've always played this way at least). SO yes, killing a mafia will prove my alignment. At the very least it takes me off the "lynch list" for a day or two. Difference in those 2 games, virus was forced to claim, I came out willingly and early. I was under no real pressure, and i claimed for a purpose. If i'm mafia, i'd have much better claims to make if i want to "secure myself as a town" or "trade my life for a valuable town role". Vig isn't worth trading for, and no counter claim has happened.

SO we just played a game not to long ago, both of us mafia. Why are you not using information from that game to figure out my alignment this game? SO yes, i want a stance from you. We honestly don't have a lot of time, and it looks to me like you are stalling. minimum stance im looking for is if you want me lynched today, or if you want to wait on my lynch. and why.

Well, if you happen to kill a mafia with your shot, then yeah, that would help prove yourself as a town.

To be honest, I can rarely read your early play, you are so much different than everyone else that normal standards don't really apply to you it seems. You always do things outside the box, that for other people would be lynchable offenses, but for you it's par for the course. So I don't really have a read on you yet in this game. I'm not advocating your lynch, because I don't know you are scum, and there wouldn't be any chance of actually getting 7 votes on you today anyway. That's why my vote is still on colton, nice to see he posted again, but still mostly missing. Him and UCAbears are both very inactive, so I'd be ok with pressure/lynching either of them at this point since no-one else has stood out as particularly scummy, and as I said before, the only way we are getting an actual lynch today is on a mostly inactive person, otherwise today will be a no-lynch.

[StorrZerg]

@hotshot, make a case on someone that i should shoot then, considering the lynch is likely an inactive you can remove colton/bears.

[crasp]

well thats been an intrestring weekend. been away with group of 10 friends. and thank you all for playing the games with me cause had a lot of fun as gamemaster with some of the rules/characters we use on the forum but are not very much known in real life mafia. Especially since they had no clue what was happening sometimes.

that beeing said, the discussion has mainly bean colton / dd as i read it.
colton seems to have vanished once again? anyway i agree with what has been said, came, posted, no content. hope he comes back and says something cause so far its not much better then an inactive.
DD, since his comeback he's here. think we can agree that not both storr and dd are scum, or its a brilliantly acted discussion. I can understand pressure on dd, but storr whats up with claim or i kill you? last game you did the same on me(and others), but then it was a realistic thread and we where mass claiming. now i dont understand how you will kill him, can imagine mtam would be joining you cause the 2 of you seem to have hit it off again but how would you kill him? so it was a "weekend factor" involved in that kill message, but do you still mean it? you still want him to claim or kill him?

crasp: could you explain your statement a bit more?

Sorry guys, been busy at work. Somewhere between those last two posts of mine is scum. my thought were originally on charm , DD. DD for the reason I said and charm because for the feigned vote and then the vote on Storr. Is the type of thing she does though very unpredictable but more often than not tends to start her own maverick vote. Now i am not so sure. I had already said I thought MT and storr didn't trust each other this game and that seems to be showing itself more. i think either MT or Storr is scum but I am not sure which one, leaning towards Storr just now especially as he vouched for me as town. Out this 4 one of them is scum. storrs claim is a joke in my opinion, MT probably the outside bet of the four.

[StorrZerg]

joke in what sense? that im not really the vig?

[HotShot53]

@hotshot, make a case on someone that i should shoot then, considering the lynch is likely an inactive you can remove colton/bears.

I don't have enough of a case to shoot anyone right now. If I was the vig, I wouldn't be shooting on night one.

[StorrZerg]

@hotshot, make a case on someone that i should shoot then, considering the lynch is likely an inactive you can remove colton/bears.

I don't have enough of a case to shoot anyone right now. If I was the vig, I wouldn't be shooting on night one.

yeah... well i'd be a liar if i didn't shoot. The point was, im interested in whom you think is mafia, thats been talking.

[charm]

Correction...

Is anyone else bothered by the lack of participation with bear, legion, and virus?

Zerg - why did you claim, when you weren't forced to? Just curious because some others are making good points. I looked back and maybe I missed it, but it seems like there was no reason for you to volunteer that info.

MTam -please do waste your time in looking back through my previous game plays. I'm happy you want to pay so much attention to me, but in THIS game it won't land you in my bed!

[StorrZerg]

I did explain.

I planned to claim early this day phase, because of my role. Their pressure had no barring on my claim timing either really. I wanted it out early enough, so that discussion could be had on the subject, and i would have another avenue to pressure people.