North Korea Nuclear Missile crisis

[strike wolf]

in general... last election we had shitty presidental choices anyways...

Very true, I hated both Kerry and Bush.

[reverend_kyle]

in general... last election we had shitty presidental choices anyways...

Very true, I hated both Kerry and Bush.

yeah.. but kerry was obviously the lesser of two evils...

[strike wolf]

in general... last election we had shitty presidental choices anyways...

Very true, I hated both Kerry and Bush.

yeah.. but kerry was obviously the lesser of two evils...

Actually he was the one who obviously didn't have his own opinions.

[jay_a2j]

who won the state in 2000 2004 and what party has won it in every election since 1948...

Well I guess my vote doesn't count either. NY has not gone Republican since Reagan. But I still vote hoping NYer's will wake up some day.

but you DID endorse the sucky president that VT was trying to pin me to.

Sucky president???? Although Bush isn't the best we've had in recent decades (refering to Reagan here) He is a heck of alot better than Clinton (who by the way SOLD N KOREA our nuke techknoledgy) And GORE???? Give me a break. KERRY ???? ROFL get real.

[jay_a2j]

yeah.. but kerry was obviously the lesser of two evils...

ROFL! wow, not only do you make the kool-aid, you obviously drink it too!

[reverend_kyle]

who won the state in 2000 2004 and what party has won it in every election since 1948...

Well I guess my vote doesn't count either. NY has not gone Republican since Reagan. But I still vote hoping NYer's will wake up some day.

but you DID endorse the sucky president that VT was trying to pin me to.

Sucky president???? Although Bush isn't the best we've had in recent decades (refering to Reagan here) He is a heck of alot better than Clinton (who by the way SOLD N KOREA our nuke techknoledgy) And GORE???? Give me a break. KERRY ???? ROFL get real.

Name one good thing bush has done except for take away our Civil Liberties

that is good because its like stephen colbert said, "The Terrorist hate us for a reason. It's because we are free. We need to stop PDF. That's right, Public display's of freedom. THat's why they want to attack us. Once we stop being free, they'll stop attacking us."

/sarcasm

[thegrimsleeper]

Erm... I thought this was supposed to be a thread about North Korea. Why are you guys debating Bush, Kerry, and the intricacies of American Politics?

[jay_a2j]

who won the state in 2000 2004 and what party has won it in every election since 1948...

Well I guess my vote doesn't count either. NY has not gone Republican since Reagan. But I still vote hoping NYer's will wake up some day.

but you DID endorse the sucky president that VT was trying to pin me to.

Sucky president???? Although Bush isn't the best we've had in recent decades (refering to Reagan here) He is a heck of alot better than Clinton (who by the way SOLD N KOREA our nuke techknoledgy) And GORE???? Give me a break. KERRY ???? ROFL get real.

Name one good thing bush has done except for take away our Civil Liberties

that is good because its like stephen colbert said, "The Terrorist hate us for a reason. It's because we are free. We need to stop PDF. That's right, Public display's of freedom. THat's why they want to attack us. Once we stop being free, they'll stop attacking us."

/sarcasm

My God that guy sounds like a liberal! Who is he?



Lets see what has Bush done??


1.) He gave a tax cut lifting us out of a resession due to 911.

2.) He had the cahoonas to go after those responcible for 911.

[reverend_kyle]

who won the state in 2000 2004 and what party has won it in every election since 1948...

Well I guess my vote doesn't count either. NY has not gone Republican since Reagan. But I still vote hoping NYer's will wake up some day.

but you DID endorse the sucky president that VT was trying to pin me to.

Sucky president???? Although Bush isn't the best we've had in recent decades (refering to Reagan here) He is a heck of alot better than Clinton (who by the way SOLD N KOREA our nuke techknoledgy) And GORE???? Give me a break. KERRY ???? ROFL get real.

Name one good thing bush has done except for take away our Civil Liberties

that is good because its like stephen colbert said, "The Terrorist hate us for a reason. It's because we are free. We need to stop PDF. That's right, Public display's of freedom. THat's why they want to attack us. Once we stop being free, they'll stop attacking us."

/sarcasm

My God that guy sounds like a liberal! Who is he?



Lets see what has Bush done??


1.) He gave a tax cut lifting us out of a resession due to 911.

2.) He had the cahoonas to go after those responcible for 911.

You obviously haven't seen the colbert report....

He sounds exactly like Bill O'Reilly.... And that was him DEFENDING bush...

I guess liberals do that now... you know because you disagree with it...

its funny how your paradigm shifts when you know whos saying stuff...

He gave a tax cut to the richest 2% thats not good thats counterproductive.. and he did that while starting a war which caused an 87 billion dollar deficit....

Oh and he had the cahoonas to go after someone the CIA has proven had nothing to do with 9/11 while he still hasnt found Bin laden who was and has admitted that Bin Laden wasn't even in his priorities...

[jay_a2j]

who won the state in 2000 2004 and what party has won it in every election since 1948...

Well I guess my vote doesn't count either. NY has not gone Republican since Reagan. But I still vote hoping NYer's will wake up some day.

but you DID endorse the sucky president that VT was trying to pin me to.

Sucky president???? Although Bush isn't the best we've had in recent decades (refering to Reagan here) He is a heck of alot better than Clinton (who by the way SOLD N KOREA our nuke techknoledgy) And GORE???? Give me a break. KERRY ???? ROFL get real.

Name one good thing bush has done except for take away our Civil Liberties

that is good because its like stephen colbert said, "The Terrorist hate us for a reason. It's because we are free. We need to stop PDF. That's right, Public display's of freedom. THat's why they want to attack us. Once we stop being free, they'll stop attacking us."

/sarcasm

My God that guy sounds like a liberal! Who is he?



Lets see what has Bush done??


1.) He gave a tax cut lifting us out of a resession due to 911.

2.) He had the cahoonas to go after those responcible for 911.

You obviously haven't seen the colbert report....

He sounds exactly like Bill O'Reilly.... And that was him DEFENDING bush...

I guess liberals do that now... you know because you disagree with it...

its funny how your paradigm shifts when you know whos saying stuff...

He gave a tax cut to the richest 2% thats not good thats counterproductive.. and he did that while starting a war which caused an 87 billion dollar deficit....

Oh and he had the cahoonas to go after someone the CIA has proven had nothing to do with 9/11 while he still hasnt found Bin laden who was and has admitted that Bin Laden wasn't even in his priorities...

Nothing has shifted, and I don't CARE who said it or WHY. They STILL sound like a liberal.


He did not give a tax cut the the "richest 2%" AND it got us OUT of a resession! You see, tax cuts are good as Reagan demonstrated in the 80's. It premote GROWTH in the ecconomy.


I was refering to AFGHANISTAN not Iraq. And just because Michael Moore made a butt load of money selling you false information doesn't make it accurate. The facts are Saddam trained terrorists and harbored them. And if there was one guy on the face of the planet that was a threat to give wMD's to terrorists it was SADDAM! Wake up.... moveon.org is leftist propaghanda.

[reverend_kyle]

who won the state in 2000 2004 and what party has won it in every election since 1948...

Well I guess my vote doesn't count either. NY has not gone Republican since Reagan. But I still vote hoping NYer's will wake up some day.

but you DID endorse the sucky president that VT was trying to pin me to.

Sucky president???? Although Bush isn't the best we've had in recent decades (refering to Reagan here) He is a heck of alot better than Clinton (who by the way SOLD N KOREA our nuke techknoledgy) And GORE???? Give me a break. KERRY ???? ROFL get real.

Name one good thing bush has done except for take away our Civil Liberties

that is good because its like stephen colbert said, "The Terrorist hate us for a reason. It's because we are free. We need to stop PDF. That's right, Public display's of freedom. THat's why they want to attack us. Once we stop being free, they'll stop attacking us."

/sarcasm

My God that guy sounds like a liberal! Who is he?



Lets see what has Bush done??


1.) He gave a tax cut lifting us out of a resession due to 911.

2.) He had the cahoonas to go after those responcible for 911.

You obviously haven't seen the colbert report....

He sounds exactly like Bill O'Reilly.... And that was him DEFENDING bush...

I guess liberals do that now... you know because you disagree with it...

its funny how your paradigm shifts when you know whos saying stuff...

He gave a tax cut to the richest 2% thats not good thats counterproductive.. and he did that while starting a war which caused an 87 billion dollar deficit....

Oh and he had the cahoonas to go after someone the CIA has proven had nothing to do with 9/11 while he still hasnt found Bin laden who was and has admitted that Bin Laden wasn't even in his priorities...

Nothing has shifted, and I don't CARE who said it or WHY. They STILL sound like a liberal.


He did not give a tax cut the the "richest 2%" AND it got us OUT of a resession! You see, tax cuts are good as Reagan demonstrated in the 80's. It premote GROWTH in the ecconomy.


I was refering to AFGHANISTAN not Iraq. And just because Michael Moore made a butt load of money selling you false information doesn't make it accurate. The facts are Saddam trained terrorists and harbored them. And if there was one guy on the face of the planet that was a threat to give wMD's to terrorists it was SADDAM! Wake up.... moveon.org is leftist propaghanda.

The united states trained the terrorists actually involved in 9/11 to fly planes... are we ignoring that... Your good buddy reagan put saddam into power.. are we ignoring that...


Ok, so he went after afghanistan... but that wasnt his main priority... and he really didnt care about it.. plus Al Qaida is a non government entity... and he still hasnt caught Bin Laden... Oh and him attacking afghanistan or Iraq is like somewhere attacking the USA because of the NRA leading a rifle attack in that country...

NOt logical...

[jay_a2j]

Sometimes kyle you make no sense at all. But its JUST like the LEFT! BLAME AMERICA!!!!! Its OUR fault Saddam was in power! It was our fault the terrorists came to AMERICA and took flight lessons. 911 was the FAULT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!!!! (and so is global warming, human suffering, hurricane Katrina, the earthquake in Indonisia) GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! If you hate AMERICA SO MUCH LET ME BUY YOU A TICKET OUTTA HERE!

[reverend_kyle]

Sometimes kyle you make no sense at all. But its JUST like the LEFT! BLAME AMERICA!!!!! Its OUR fault Saddam was in power! It was our fault the terrorists came to AMERICA and took flight lessons. 911 was the FAULT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!!!! (and so is global warming, human suffering, hurricane Katrina, the earthquake in Indonisia) GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! If you hate AMERICA SO MUCH LET ME BUY YOU A TICKET OUTTA HERE!

Those are all facts... that I put in there...

[reverend_kyle]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

[jay_a2j]

Your buddy Clinton had an oppertunity to arrest Bin Laden in 1998 but didn't....but we overlooked that


Bill Clinton, Hillary and Kerry all said Saddam was a threat and had wmd's....but we overlooked that





you can't defend the indefencable

[jay_a2j]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

No crap! Reagan gave Saddam weapons to use against IRAN.

[reverend_kyle]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

No crap! Reagan gave Saddam weapons to use against IRAN.

So, Its ok to give Saddam someone who in your words "is an evil man and likely to give weapons to terrorists".. when reagan does it?

[reverend_kyle]

Your buddy Clinton had an oppertunity to arrest Bin Laden in 1998 but didn't....but we overlooked that


Bill Clinton, Hillary and Kerry all said Saddam was a threat and had wmd's....but we overlooked that





you can't defend the indefencable

I'm most positive indefencable isnt a word...

If the CIA gave all the facts to congress the first time....

But bush didnt want them to because that would give "comfort and aid to the enemies"

[jay_a2j]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

No crap! Reagan gave Saddam weapons to use against IRAN.

So, Its ok to give Saddam someone who in your words "is an evil man and likely to give weapons to terrorists".. when reagan does it?

In the 80's we weren't concered about "terrorists".

[reverend_kyle]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

No crap! Reagan gave Saddam weapons to use against IRAN.

So, Its ok to give Saddam someone who in your words "is an evil man and likely to give weapons to terrorists".. when reagan does it?

In the 80's we weren't concered about "terrorists".

The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to a few weeks after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

how do you know this new government we put in Iraq wont be the same as when we put saddam into power and gave him weapons?

[strike wolf]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

No crap! Reagan gave Saddam weapons to use against IRAN.

So, Its ok to give Saddam someone who in your words "is an evil man and likely to give weapons to terrorists".. when reagan does it?

In the 80's we weren't concered about "terrorists".

The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to a few weeks after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

how do you know this new government we put in Iraq wont be the same as when we put saddam into power and gave him weapons?

At the time we gave him weapons, we considered Iran to be a greater terrorist threat.

[reverend_kyle]

heres a link if you need it

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

No crap! Reagan gave Saddam weapons to use against IRAN.

So, Its ok to give Saddam someone who in your words "is an evil man and likely to give weapons to terrorists".. when reagan does it?

In the 80's we weren't concered about "terrorists".

The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to a few weeks after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

how do you know this new government we put in Iraq wont be the same as when we put saddam into power and gave him weapons?

At the time we gave him weapons, we considered Iran to be a greater terrorist threat.

so that would mean that the mighty reagan was dare I say wrong?

[strike wolf]

Actually no. at least not exactly. I wish I could tell you more but my knowledge on this is a bit rusty. But Iran is still a major terrorist location.

[reverend_kyle]

So is north korea

now we are back on topic..

[theosi]

was refering to AFGHANISTAN not Iraq. And just because Michael Moore made a butt load of money selling you false information doesn't make it accurate. The facts are Saddam trained terrorists and harbored them

When the soldiers hit the ground in afghanistan the PIPE was stacked and waiting to be installed by halliburton and crew... Interesting!

Saddam and the Alqueda terrorist were fundamentaly not allies. Sadam was what the Jihadists despised. He was not a follower of their Muslim customs and laws. Now he liked to play with PLO and hezzbollah but they are not a direct enemy of the U.S. they are the enemy of Israel. So any terrorists will do? there are those that believe the IRA is a terrorist organization should we bomb ireland? Go and bumb rush the pubs and bring all persons of interest into... Guantonamo for illegal incarceration with no adhearance to the Geneva convention... Oh yeah wait their Terrorist... But how do we know they are terrorist? Because they live in a country that is known to harbor terrorist? Hum... I am a man (Iraq harbors Terrorist), I am a mortal (Terrorist live in Iraq), All men are mortal (All iraqis are terrorist)... OH I see the logic now... How could I have been so stupid. We do not have to conform to mdoern law... No trials. No rights... No enemy combatants treatment. LOGIC dictates they are terrorist. Even though the man is 80 years old he lived in IRAQ he is a terrorist!

In the 80's we weren't concered about "terrorists".

yet they bombed the world trade center back than! Maybe we should have been concerned. But... We thought Saddam was going to play nice and allow us a pipline out of his country and through Afghanistan but he didn't... he sold his oil to the Germans and the French instead. hummmm. I wonder why those French fries became freedom fires? Could all that spin have been an axe to grind? Speaking of the French the Right loves to bash them about how we bailed them out in WW2... yet was it not them that came and helped us beat the British out of America? Were they not one of the only countries to come to our aid when we wanted independance. A little over 200 years is a long time... But those 200 may not have happend had it not been for the French... yet now our government pushes us to despise them... And we wonder why the rest of the world sees us a backstabbers?

At the time we gave him weapons, we considered Iran to be a greater terrorist threat.

have to call BS on this one. iran did not gas it's on people. iran did not use WMD's on it's own villages. Iraq did. We went against the UN to aid the iraqis. The reason we helped them was because, we thought, iraq would let us into the OIL fields. Whereas Iran never would or prabably ever will!

I'm sure you will refute this with some... thing about blah blah blah. if you do you show the lack of knowledge you have on your own countries history and you have no place voicing yourself as knowledgable when what you trully state is nothing more than ignorant opinions. Please spat them at your leisure but maybe think about this. "It is better a man to be thought a fool, than to open his mouth and remove all doubt".