Krazy Kingdoms [Quenched]

[Gilligan]

Might be worth noting the oddity
As dolomite said they could be useful for spotter territories

but this isn't the only map with conditional borders

True - what I meant was finding out what was weird, creating a new xml based on that as an additional option and then fixing conditional (if that was possible). Fixing it is obviously the priority here, but a new feature as a result of a glitch would be funny

Yeah, perhaps it's something we could code in the future.

[dolomite13]

Here is an XML update. I have added the conditions for starting territories and added a neutral to D1 that was missing.

I saw the conditional from J1 to S4 but do we need conditionals the other direction so when you have both sides you can reinforce either direction?

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[dolomite13]

Also noticed the map is listed as "Krazy Kingdom" missing the letter "s" on the end on the dropdown and elsewhere on the site.

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[Gilligan]

Here is an XML update. I have added the conditions for starting territories and added a neutral to D1 that was missing.

I saw the conditional from J1 to S4 but do we need conditionals the other direction so when you have both sides you can reinforce either direction?

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Good catch

[EricPhail]

Game 13378221

My opponent dropped 2 land territories and one less feature for some reason (a glitch surely)

[Gilligan]

Game 13378221

My opponent dropped 2 land territories and one less feature for some reason (a glitch surely)

Yes, waiting for an XML update to go live.

[Gilligan]

Also, the conditional border bug seems to be fixed.

[dolomite13]

In a 2 player game it should be 3 specials per player.Or at least that's how I understand it.

11 specials (11/3) 3 per player and 5 neutral but I have had a drop of 4 specials but I didn't get any additional land.

My only real concerns thus far are that The Bomb 7n, Forbiddden Lands 20n, and neutral 5 territories should be beefed up a bit to maybe Bomb 13n, forbidden lands 30n, and 5's to 7's. This is based on the speed I have seen people be eliminated in 2 player games. I did manage to get away from an opponent via a cavern as dwellers but not for long. The bonuses and lucky rolls can cause a lopsided battle in 2 player for sure and a few more neutrals may help balance the early game just a bit.

Anyway off to do vacation stuff. I will check in again later today.

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[iAmCaffeine]

Loving it so far dolomite, nice work, and thank you.

[iAmCaffeine]

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=13379519

Shouldn't this be over?

[Gilligan]

It's fog, can't see it.

[iAmCaffeine]

It's fog, can't see it.

The gameplay has since changed, so it's all okay now. Originally, since games were starting with 1 piece of land each, once it was taken the other player was dead, but it changed to 2.

[jigger1986]

I just want to say Im loving this map!
During development I had no interest, but after 2 games I was hooked.

[dolomite13]

I am starting to think that max starting positions should be set to 2 not 1. Its way too easy to have bad rolls and get slaughtered in only a few rounds.

2-4 player games would be 2 each.
5-8 would be 1 each.

Also I am still confused am I wrong in thinking that when you have 11 territories that are random drop that a fictitious 3rd player is included in the calculation so with 11 it is 11/3 or 3 each with 3 going to player 1, 3 to player 2, and 5 set as neutral? I am getting 4 in 2 player games.

hmmmmmm.....

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[dolomite13]

It's fog, can't see it.

The gameplay has since changed, so it's all okay now. Originally, since games were starting with 1 piece of land each, once it was taken the other player was dead, but it changed to 2.

What changed to 2?

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[iAmCaffeine]

It's fog, can't see it.

The gameplay has since changed, so it's all okay now. Originally, since games were starting with 1 piece of land each, once it was taken the other player was dead, but it changed to 2.

What changed to 2?

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Starting territories. My first couple of 1v1s there were just one each but it changed to 2, which is better, but puzzled me as to why my opponent wasn't dead at the time.

[betiko]

It's fog, can't see it.

The gameplay has since changed, so it's all okay now. Originally, since games were starting with 1 piece of land each, once it was taken the other player was dead, but it changed to 2.

What changed to 2?

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Starting territories. My first couple of 1v1s there were just one each but it changed to 2, which is better, but puzzled me as to why my opponent wasn't dead at the time.

but that's like the 12th ability, right, start with 2 terts instead of having one of the 11 side ones?

and yes dolomite, very interesting map!

[iAmCaffeine]

It's fog, can't see it.

The gameplay has since changed, so it's all okay now. Originally, since games were starting with 1 piece of land each, once it was taken the other player was dead, but it changed to 2.

What changed to 2?

=D13=

Starting territories. My first couple of 1v1s there were just one each but it changed to 2, which is better, but puzzled me as to why my opponent wasn't dead at the time.

but that's like the 12th ability, right, start with 2 terts instead of having one of the 11 side ones?

and yes dolomite, very interesting map!

I'm getting so confused! Haha. Yeah that's correct. Interestingly, I'm in a doubles where my partner has 2 starting positions and I have 1 - could make for interesting games.

[Gilligan]

It's fog, can't see it.

The gameplay has since changed, so it's all okay now. Originally, since games were starting with 1 piece of land each, once it was taken the other player was dead, but it changed to 2.

What changed to 2?

=D13=

Starting territories. My first couple of 1v1s there were just one each but it changed to 2, which is better, but puzzled me as to why my opponent wasn't dead at the time.

but that's like the 12th ability, right, start with 2 terts instead of having one of the 11 side ones?

and yes dolomite, very interesting map!

I'm getting so confused! Haha. Yeah that's correct. Interestingly, I'm in a doubles where my partner has 2 starting positions and I have 1 - could make for interesting games.

As stated the D1 start is a mistake and waiting to be uploaded

[jigger1986]

Adding a 2nd starting position per player would be nice.
Im rather confused as to how the Horde can be used, could you (or someone) please explain how it can be attacked?

[dolomite13]

Adding a 2nd starting position per player would be nice.
Im rather confused as to how the Horde can be used, could you (or someone) please explain how it can be attacked?

Your favored territories are adjacent it so if you are yeti then all 4 tundra are adjacent.

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[betiko]

Well i still think that the +1 tert for the 12th ability is pretty cool. I m in a trips game where everyone has 2 abilities, including the +1 tert. Don t know if it s balanced.

[-=- Tanarri -=-]

Dolomite, for what it's worth I've started 3 or 4 games on the map so far and I'm beginning to wonder if it'd be worthwhile to have the starting territories start with 5 instead of 3. As it is now, you've got to roll a 4 vs. 3 and often enough it means you don't take a territory the first turn, which slows the game down and makes it possible for someone else to get a distinct advantage early in the game if they don't get screwed by dice.

[Donelladan]

Well i still think that the +1 tert for the 12th ability is pretty cool. I m in a trips game where everyone has 2 abilities, including the +1 tert. Don t know if it s balanced.

Definitely unbalanced !!
I think you can die too easily on that map.

[dolomite13]

Well i still think that the +1 tert for the 12th ability is pretty cool. I m in a trips game where everyone has 2 abilities, including the +1 tert. Don t know if it s balanced.

Definitely unbalanced !!
I think you can die too easily on that map.

The extra territory is definitely a bug. And yes the map is unbalanced. The goal of the map was to create a more master level map where plays would need to identify which p,Ayer got the good start and diplomacy would be needed to stop that player. In 2 player games it is pret much just unfair at that point. I am considering a max of 2 start positions which would help.

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