[CC4] TOFU vs. DYN 46-15 of 61 - TOFU Wins! - Final: 10/29

[catnipdreams]

that was really funny, freakns!

Ahem. I do NOT have hairy armpits. I bathe regularly. The real recipe sounds quite tasty, though.

Here is a link that has a section pertinent to our "male health" discussion, with some research citations. I couldn't find a study directly comparing wild Swedish moose meat to US factory farmed beef, though...

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030700pumeatinthehumandiet.htm

[Foxglove]

:lol: that was really funny, freakns!

Ahem. I do NOT have hairy armpits. I bathe regularly. The real recipe sounds quite tasty, though.

Here is a link that has a section pertinent to our "male health" discussion, with some research citations. I couldn't find a study directly comparing wild Swedish moose meat to US factory farmed beef, though...

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030700pumeatinthehumandiet.htm

haha, whatthe. I just went to the article and scrolled to the bottom to review the references.

2) Bible (New International Version): Genesis 1:29 and 3:19

Quotes from a work of fiction (if that offends anyone, let's just call it "not scientifically validated") have no place whatsoever in any document about science. That article is more like a blog post - referencing books, true, but no actual legitimate studies.

[catnipdreams]

Quotes from a work of fiction (if that offends anyone, let's just call it "not scientifically validated") have no place whatsoever in any document about science. That article is more like a blog post - referencing books, true, but no actual legitimate studies.

These are the citations relevant to the male performance section:

18) Allen NE. Hormones and diet: low insulin-like growth factor-I but normal bioavailable androgens in vegan men. Br J Cancer. 2000 Jul;83(1):95-7.

19) Feldman HA. Erectile dysfunction and coronary risk factors: prospective results from the Massachusetts male aging study. Prev Med. 2000 Apr;30(4):328-38.

20) Bodie J. Laboratory evaluations of erectile dysfunction: an evidence based approach. J Urol. 2003 Jun;169(6):2262-4.

21) Walczak MK Prevalence of cardiovascular risk factors in erectile dysfunction.
J Gend Specif Med. 2002 Nov-Dec;5(6):19-24.

22) Rozati R . Role of environmental estrogens in the deterioration of male factor fertility. Fertil Steril. 2002 Dec;78(6):1187-94.

23) Duarte-Davidson R. Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) in the UK population: estimated intake, exposure and body burden. Sci Total Environ. 1994 Jul 11;151(2):131-52.

24) Liem AK. Exposure of populations to dioxins and related compounds. Food Addit Contam. 2000 Apr;17(4):241-59.

I'm not familiar with the reputation of any of the journals involved, but they appear to be reasonably scientific to me....

[Foxglove]

Quotes from a work of fiction (if that offends anyone, let's just call it "not scientifically validated") have no place whatsoever in any document about science. That article is more like a blog post - referencing books, true, but no actual legitimate studies.

These are the citations relevant to the male performance section:

18) Allen NE. Hormones and diet: low insulin-like growth factor-I but normal bioavailable androgens in vegan men. Br J Cancer. 2000 Jul;83(1):95-7.

19) Feldman HA. Erectile dysfunction and coronary risk factors: prospective results from the Massachusetts male aging study. Prev Med. 2000 Apr;30(4):328-38.

20) Bodie J. Laboratory evaluations of erectile dysfunction: an evidence based approach. J Urol. 2003 Jun;169(6):2262-4.

21) Walczak MK Prevalence of cardiovascular risk factors in erectile dysfunction.
J Gend Specif Med. 2002 Nov-Dec;5(6):19-24.

22) Rozati R . Role of environmental estrogens in the deterioration of male factor fertility. Fertil Steril. 2002 Dec;78(6):1187-94.

23) Duarte-Davidson R. Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) in the UK population: estimated intake, exposure and body burden. Sci Total Environ. 1994 Jul 11;151(2):131-52.

24) Liem AK. Exposure of populations to dioxins and related compounds. Food Addit Contam. 2000 Apr;17(4):241-59.

I'm not familiar with the reputation of any of the journals involved, but they appear to be reasonably scientific to me....

It's true, some of them are. But the author has already lost credibility by the time those references roll around. I did actually read the article, and looked up some of those references. All that his cited sources do is identify that men with some specific health issues (arterial disease, cholesterol) are more likely to have ED. The sources say nothing about eating meat (that I saw, I didn't thoroughly read all of them). It's a correlation, not causation. Another probable correlation is that people in poor health eat a lot of processed seed oils - and that is totally unrelated to meat.

So my personal opinion after reading the article, and taking a brief look into the references, is that the author is proposing theories he wants to believe, but that are not backed up by causal evidence.

[Foxglove]

Sorry for being a downer in your war thread. I'll stop now.

Here are some pictures of me on the beach.

[freakns]

Sorry for being a downer in your war thread. I'll stop now.

Here are some pictures of me on the beach.

you are never downer! every time i see cat or you, i break any hypothesis about eating meat and erectile dysfunction.

and if this isnt enough, i really dont know what is:


scientific study:
grandma above: f-me! now! turn down all my clothes, make love to me like wild animal!
me: errrrr.... no
grandma above: meat causes erectile dysfunction.

newsflash- it has nothing to do with eating meat! give me lady on right to prove it!

ps. cat, please, giving article thats quoting bible as viable source? pinocchio is more realistic source!

[HOWITZERHAL]

Happy to see such a spirited start to our little family picnic. Steak and potatoes is on the menu today. It warms the heart to see that we shall all share an adult beverage and toast to our opponents health and some vigorous dice rolls from all.

Good times and caviar dreams to all

[catnipdreams]

I'll enjoy the potato, thank you! And good luck, Dynasty

[Doc_Brown]

Sorry for being a downer in your war thread. I'll stop now.

Nah, we understand. Cows probably tend to get a bit touchy when they're told that a meat substitute is better...

On a more serious note, I think your comment about the use of the Bible in that article is unfounded. I've done peer-review for a fair number of submissions for scientific journals, and I would have considered a use of the Bible or other religious text in the way that that article did to be appropriate. He didn't cite the Bible as supporting evidence for his case but as a mythological story symbolic of the shift in eating habits he was describing. Now, there were plenty of other aspects in that article that would disqualify it for publication in a scientific journal, but it was intended as a newsletter article anyway, so it's in line with what is standard. There are plenty of "health nut" newsletters (and I'm not using the term disparagingly but as a categorization). Some of them have a lot of valuable information while others are downright kooky. I haven't read the full article or anything else by this guy, so I'm not sure where this one falls.

Getting back on topic:
Good luck Dynasty! I'll be on later on this evening for the maps/settings exchange.

[Arama86n]

I'm really looking forward to this one
It was damn nice to have a quiet month after the insanity that was spring 2013, but... will be damn nice to get back into it now.
See you on the field Dynasty!
Good luck, have fun, and please... don't get blood on the carpet.

[L M S]

I hereby rescind all CC user's rights to post in this thread.

Except for Foxglove, you may post at will.
That is all.

[Doc_Brown]

The first post is updated with all the games. Let me know if you spot any errors. Good luck all!

[HOWITZERHAL]

Let the games begin....................
All Invites made. Will pm with player numbers once all are accepted

[Doc_Brown]

Let the games begin....................
All Invites made. Will pm with player numbers once all are accepted

That's fine. I also made a nice Excel template that I can just copy and paste players from each game into a sheet and quickly generate the game count. Either way is fine with me.

[L M S]

Less technical stuff and more hot chicks on the beach please.

[hotfire]

GL TUTU clan members....

[Chariot of Fire]

Dang, been so busy in rl I forgot there was a parallel thread running for this challenge - and it's far more entertaining than our analytical dissecting of Dynasty in the TOFU forum's thread.

Can we just leave it to Bogan, Foxy & Freaky to let this thread run its course while we others get on with the fighting? Very witty contributions

[betiko]

good luck dynasty! will be missing batch one as in the random league, but will be here for batch 2!

meat is good. tofu not that much. but hopefully the vast majority didn't join for the love of tasteless soja cheese! :p

(woops hope I didn't ofend cat! :p )

Thanks, and good luck! I guess I haven't been paying much attention, but I have to ask. How did you go from being a rebellious punk Pack member, to being a shameless front runner Tofu member? It's like when Johnny Damon sold out and shaved his captain caveman idiot look as a Red Sox to be a fake metrosexual pretty boy New York Yankee. It's just not right!

hey I'm growing a beard right now that looks way more like the first picture!! (but I'm going to shave it, it itches people when i kiss them)
I joined the clan world to play a bit more than 2 wars a year so decided to make a move. But to tell the truth, the pack was attacked/accused in forums from everywhere, so I guess that's why we had to reply with the same tone because it got really anoying. looks like they re playing osa now don't know if they are still considered as the clan world punks after the half-afos move

anyway; foxy, you sent a link that shows tities, I am deeply shocked. (When I'm on CC I have to act as an american puritanist that sees this as an act of the devil to blend in.) Please no more tities or I'll have to pray another 12 virgin marys.

Oh and if beef meat made men limp, I'm pretty sure western countries would all have serious procreation problems.

[WPBRJ]

The first official player to be eliminated for this war

Game 13038145

Sorry LMS


Oh ya gl to most of TOFU

[L M S]

The way my dice have been...I might be ALL the players eliminated in this war.

And not for nothing but, I posted in the team chat something like, looks like a set up to take me out, to me (paraphrasing) - right after your first turn.

[Arama86n]

The first official player to be eliminated for this war

Game 13038145

Sorry LMS


Oh ya gl to most of TOFU

Ah damn, when I read that I could strongly suspect what game it was before I even clicked the link
Nicely done gents.

[hotfire]

Dang, been so busy in rl I forgot there was a parallel thread running for this challenge - and it's far more entertaining than our analytical dissecting of Dynasty in the TOFU forum's thread.

i imagine ur analytical dissecting as a bunch of trembling hands drawing straws with ur eyes closed praying to not have to play against me in a game and lose lots of precious points :^)

[Arama86n]

Dang, been so busy in rl I forgot there was a parallel thread running for this challenge - and it's far more entertaining than our analytical dissecting of Dynasty in the TOFU forum's thread.

i imagine ur analytical dissecting as a bunch of trembling hands drawing straws with ur eyes closed praying to not have to play against me in a game and lose lots of precious points :^)

Gentlemen, we have a mole. I suspect Dako!
Let's tie a rock to his feet and throw him in the river, if he floats he's guilty, if he drowns he's innocent.

[CAPK81]

Gentlemen, we have a mole. I suspect Dako!
Let's tie a rock to his feet and throw him in the river, if he floats he's guilty, if he drowns he's innocent.[/quote]


lets do it

[freakns]

im cheering for innocent!