[Abandoned] Massacre à Paris

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:04 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:...
Hmm. Then I have to ask, do you like the look of the dotted lines in the latest version you put up or are you just not liking the dotted lines at all? Because I think that the "arrow squares" and arrows on your map are very effective, just that they would be a better fit for the map if they were curved and a little more random looking(like a battle between humans would be).
I have to say I love that image, I think it's dance steps or something but it really appeals to me lol.

If it was for me only...i wouldn't need the lines dotted or otherwise on the map, but yes in the legend to show the attack routes.
tbh, i think the squares, triangles and lines on the map itself are ugly and not needed, but there would be plenty out there (not yourself) who would say otherwise.
but i am continually reveiwing options for the attacks and this may also lead to change the army squares to different options to indicate assault options.
I would ideally like to have no lines or arrows.
the dance steps are indeed a fine image.

by **Nola_Lifer** on Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:21 pm

Position the fighters closer to the boarders so that it is more apparent that the four are connected. It makes sense to me and would be obvious after a game or two. Nothing wrong with that.

by **cairnswk** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:02 am

Nola_Lifer wrote:Position the fighters closer to the boarders so that it is more apparent that the four are connected. It makes sense to me and would be obvious after a game or two. Nothing wrong with that.

Thanks Nola.

OK. Version 11 draft.

1. i've only done the left hand side of the map with these new symbols to see if they work for everyone....explained in the legend.

Let me know what you all think.

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by **Nola_Lifer** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:07 pm

Still don't think it will be good enough, cairns. You may still need to use a line or other marker when it comes to certain fighters like H26 and C25, where they attack north of build or south of building. For example, why does C25 attack H37 and not C26?

by **cairnswk** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:22 pm

Nola_Lifer wrote:Still don't think it will be good enough, cairns. You may still need to use a line or other marker when it comes to certain fighters like H26 and C25, where they attack north of build or south of building. For example, why does C25 attack H37 and not C26?

Because as per normal ground borders, *H37 only borders *C25; *C35 only borders *H37

*H22, *H26, *C25, and *C26 have a square border.

so, Huguenots can attack Huguenots?

well yes initially if you're game opponent is a Huguenot, you're going to want to assault him, that's why everyone can literally assault everyone.

by **Funkyterrance** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:13 pm

Damn, it does get a little messy with the hard dotted lines like that doesn't it? Hmm...
What if it were ellipses instead of dotted lines? It is a difficult thing, cairns, I can see that now. On the one hand it is hard to tell some of the attack routes without notation but you also endanger the clean look of the map with such bold markings. I wonder if there is a middle-of-the-road option as far as boldness?

by **cairnswk** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:39 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Damn, it does get a little messy with the hard dotted lines like that doesn't it? Hmm...
What if it were ellipses instead of dotted lines? It is a difficult thing, cairns, I can see that now. On the one hand it is hard to tell some of the attack routes without notation but you also endanger the clean look of the map with such bold markings. I wonder if there is a middle-of-the-road option as far as boldness?

FT, were u looking at the v11 draft on previous page? cos it's got no dotted lines on it!

by **cairnswk** on Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:16 am

OK, Version 11 complete with all symbols in place...and expanded explanation.
I wonder if this will calrify connections.

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And this is what is looks like with armies in place

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by **Funkyterrance** on Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:53 pm

The black squares are nice, I'll have to admit. So all the black squares in each group can attack one another? If so, it's really effective. I think you've nailed it cairns with that little extra room for explanation in the legend. Not to mention the map still looks pretty darn handsome.
Well Done.

by **Leehar** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:35 pm

Idk, the connections were my first worry as well.

how can I tell if HF can attack CH etc (there's nothing between them)
H37 can attack both vertically and horizontally? :s

And also, I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but does the guard hit the building first, then the person inside? Any way to clarify that?

by **cairnswk** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:18 pm

Leehar wrote:Idk, the connections were my first worry as well.
how can I tell if HF can attack CH etc (there's nothing between them)

because you must read the legend
which shows in the diagram and states that all duelers can assault their opponent in immiediate vicinity.
given that CF is diagonally in vicinity of HF, they border each other.

H37 can attack both vertically and horizontally? :s

yes, H37 has across borders with C35 and C25, and assaults c37 also

And also, I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but does the guard hit the building first, then the person inside? Any way to clarify that?

Yes i'm sure i can do that, any suggestions as to the wording?

by **Leehar** on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:03 am

Yeah, it's hard to conceive what immediate vicinity is defined as, but I guess I must be grateful bob will show all the connections!

For H37, then wouldn't a triangle be better? Tho I guess the C25 border wouldn't be as confirmed.

Wording: Only Guards can attack buildings and only buildings can attack personages within (whoever they are? Generals, Religious figureheads, revolutionaries etc)

by **Industrial Helix** on Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:57 pm

I'm no expert, but I do know a little French and I'm not sure the title is totally correct. In my crappy understanding I read the translation as "Slaughter to Paris" but I think you're aiming for "Slaughter of Paris" or "Slaughter in Paris." which based on my limited knowledge and no practical experience, should be Massacre de Paris" or "Massacre dans Paris." But again I'm no expert and probably don;t know what I'm talking about, but it might be worth looking into.

by **cairnswk** on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:05 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:I'm no expert, but I do know a little French and I'm not sure the title is totally correct. In my crappy understanding I read the translation as "Slaughter to Paris" but I think you're aiming for "Slaughter of Paris" or "Slaughter in Paris." which based on my limited knowledge and no practical experience, should be Massacre de Paris" or "Massacre dans Paris." But again I'm no expert and probably don;t know what I'm talking about, but it might be worth looking into.

Thanks IH.
yes it is technically wrong.
it should be Le Massacre de Paris
change next update.

by **cairnswk** on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:10 pm

Leehar wrote:Yeah, it's hard to conceive what immediate vicinity is defined as, but I guess I must be grateful bob will show all the connections!

even though there is a diagram to show what immediate vicinity means...

For H37, then wouldn't a triangle be better? Tho I guess the C25 border wouldn't be as confirmed.

you answewed your own question.

Wording: Only Guards can attack buildings and only buildings can attack personages within (whoever they are? Generals, Religious figureheads, revolutionaries etc)

Possible...i'll reflect on it.

by **Funkyterrance** on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:10 pm

When can we play it?

by **cairnswk** on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:26 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:When can we play it?

Hehe...about 12 months away yet FT...you know the pace...appreciate your enthusiasm though.

by **nolefan5311** on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:50 pm

Honestly cairns, and I'm not trying to be slick or anything here, but I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this one. I've looked at it, taken a day or two break, come back to look at it again, and I've done this for the better part of two weeks, and I'm still struggling to understand what's going on. The attack routes are just too vague for me.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:54 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Honestly cairns, and I'm not trying to be slick or anything here, but I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this one. I've looked at it, taken a day or two break, come back to look at it again, and I've done this for the better part of two weeks, and I'm still struggling to understand what's going on. The attack routes are just too vague for me.

OH dear! it's a simple matter of attacking the man next to you i.e. in the immediate vicinity.

by **cairnswk** on Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:24 am

And this is also way overdue for recycle bin

by **nolefan5311** on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:58 am

Moved

Per mapmakers request. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Cartography Assistants will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made.

by **cairnswk** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:30 pm

Version 12...an update

I changed the title and top frames a fraction, to give more eye-space there, just to keep this out of the bin.

Notice that the xml person is empty, so whoever wants to do this and hasn't done xml before i.e. a newbie xml person, can have the job.
This is not a complicated map for the xml process.
Please PM me with details if you want this xml job. I will also guide the person as much as possible.