Chariot of Fire wrote:I don't know to what extent SirJohn13 is culpable, and I've not looked at the games listed in the OP. Unfortunately though I'm going to burn my bridges as far as playing with AFOS clan mates goes with what I have to say here. I've certainly joined the last multiplayer esc game that I'll ever play with them, which is a pity as they are all nice guys. However I've seen enough 'funny business' to make me suspicious. It may indeed all turn out to be harmless, or merely bad luck, but one can't help but feel there is more when (in some cases) 5 members of the same clan are all playing in the same game.
The game I find particularly odd is
Game 12000918 I've looked through the game log now and it's quite evident to me that there was collusion or control of two accounts - mc05025 & geots. In Round 8 yellow sends just a small group of men from Xeu Village to Cen Village's border (this is strange in itself) and makes no attack on the cyan stack on Cen Village. Instead he forts the remainder (only 5 men) back to Xeu Village. Cyan then launches an attack from Cen Village, ignores the yellow 1s that he could have gone through and instead goes thru Cen5/Cen10, circumvents yellow altogether and instead heads through lots of neuts to get an elimination elsewhere. Yellow's previous move had in fact helped him by removing Cen8 & Xeu13 (which start as neut 3s) thus making cyan's job that much easier. Anyone who plays this game can tell you that yellow's move made no sense tactically (why only send a small army forward the way he did, if not to just remove those tough neut 3s?). The elimination of non-AFOS players looks all too suspicious to me - first me, then silversun6, then Kingm. Coincidence? And there's more. After the elimination of silversun6 in Round 10 cyan then deployed 95 and moved to Xeu3 (shielding yellow when he could have eliminated him). Yellow then cashed and kept his stack behind cyan's. The two of them then traded on Xeu1 (totally unnecessary for cyan to do as he was winning cards on other terrs) which was essential for them in order to beat slate (Egel). Cyan effectively kept yellow safe (shielded him) and allowed him to card, and once Egel was defeated yellow didn't even try and attack. Combine these very suspicious moves with the fact geots (playing yellow) had his flag changing from Russia to Europe to Greece (while mc05025's was also changing from Greece to UK during the same week) and I'd say there is sufficient evidence of collusion and/or account checking (i.e. logging in to see foggy maps) that exists between members of AFOS.
Game 12000926 also raised the concerns of another (non-AFOS) player - enough for him to say 'Never again' in a PM to me.
As I said in my opening paragraph, it could all amount to nothing and I'll apologise in advance. That said I still think it serves as a warning to anyone who wishes to get involved in a multiplayer game which often features five players from the same clan and who, in all likelihood, have the ability to log-in to each other's accounts.
First of all I do not know Geots pw and he doesn't know mine. We hadn't ever log in with each other account.
On game 12000918 I played very very well, understood everything, made traps that people failed to see and won the game. It was one of my best game, really proud of my strategy. If you want to I can explain exactly what happened and how CoF failed to understand my strategy even after the end of the game.
OK I am reading what he is writing and I ll make some comments as almost everything are lies.
'yellow sends just a small group of men from Xeu Village to Cen Village's border' He didn't he sent all his available troops
'makes no attack on the cyan stack on Cen Village' thats true. He reached with something like 60 troops and I had 64 (I do not remember the exact numbers but they are close) so he stopped without attacking in order not to suicide.
'Instead he forts the remainder (only 5 men) back to Xeu Village' Man how clueless you are. Those were the auto deployed troops from his castle. He just wanted to protect the village. He still had a stack of 60
'Cyan then launches an attack from Cen Village, ignores the yellow 1s that he could have gone through and instead goes thru Cen5/Cen10, circumvents yellow altogether and instead heads through lots of neuts to get an elimination elsewhere'
Of course I did that. yellow had 60 troops close to me and many territories. On the the other side you have just killed someone without cashing and you reinforced 6 troops. Which is very stupid because then I knew that you were really weak at both castles and I knew how to split... so easy to kill you. So I just searched the map in order to kill you.
'yellow's previous move had in fact helped him by removing Cen8 & Xeu13 (which start as neut 3s) thus making cyan's job that much easier' He made 2 3s a 1 and he helped me??? I started with 80 troops and after killing you I had more than 10 I think in both stacks from your 2 castles.
'Anyone who plays this game can tell you that yellow's move made no sense tactically (why only send a small army forward the way he did, if not to just remove those tough neut 3s?)' As I said he sent anything he had to make an elimination. But failed as he found me the strongest player (I had played first and took a village very quickly)
Here is screenshot after my elimination proving geots tried to kill the one at the left side but stopped and also how I just searched the map and killed the easiest target
'then deployed 95 and moved to Xeu3 (shielding yellow when he could have eliminated him)' OK here are some advance strategies which obviously fail to understand.
Here is the screenshot after grey played and killed red at rebel castle (but my troops and yellow troops are the same.
As you can see I had to deploy 95 troops. I couldn't kill geots who had 63 at the gate of clan Rhu castle and a castle and 9 troops at the village (an other lie). But as you can see there were 3 more players to play (except from geots) with 4 spoils. So if the first one (grey) did not have the clan rhu castle he would be forced to kill the one at the remaining unprotected castle (possibility 2/3 as it happened). So the third player would remain at clan rhu trapped. So I estimated (right) that the third player will attack geots and try to eliminate him and kill ALL regions outside the castle which I was blocking. So geots with no regions outside the castle would be unable to attack and kill the third player (blue at my case) as he was trapped inside the castle. That exactly happened and prettymuch gave me the game.
So I protected him and blocked me at the same time.
' yellow didn't even try and attack' Attack what? he had no troops as sir john killed them all and the only thing able to attack was my 119 stack. He did not suicide.
Combine these very suspicious moves with the fact geots (playing yellow) had his flag changing from Russia to Europe to Greece (while mc05025's was also changing from Greece to UK during the same week)
Geots travel a lot
I am from greece but now I live at UK. But I am in greece right now for christmas. I log in a lot with greek IP as my base is here and I can remotly control my main pc which located in greece.
As I detailed explain why anything at this post are lies and bad estimations I will not trouble to answer any other questions from CoF. If you can not understand my gameplay do not accuse me... try harder
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