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[Nola_Lifer]

Baby seals die all the time, people die all the time. Why do I have to worry about killing either? I voted 0.

How does it feel, to kill an imaginary person?

You came up with the idea, so I think you should ask you yourself how does it feel to kill an imaginary person?

[john9blue]

lol

it's a thought experiment

i don't understand how someone can think they didn't kill a person, when they willingly and knowingly took an action that ended a human life. only consequences matter; the agent is irrelevant.

[Lootifer]

How many baby seals are available and how many humans need "saving"?

AHA!

[BigBallinStalin]

How many baby seals are available and how many humans need "saving"?

AHA!

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... d#p3588469

Click image to enlarge.

[AndyDufresne]

Baby seals die all the time, people die all the time. Why do I have to worry about killing either? I voted 0.

How does it feel, to kill an imaginary person?

Feels a lot like rolling a 6 when your opponent rolls a 1.


--Andy

[Lootifer]

(Total number of seals-seals required for seal conservation)/Total number of people that require saving = My answer

And f*ck off, like I read the whole thread!

[Haggis_McMutton]

Zero.

I couldn't consciously, willingly kill another thing, even if I was saving another life in the process. I would be disturbing the natural order of things. I'm not saying the man had it coming to him, but I would want the same result to be as if I wasn't there. It would be easier for me to wash my hands clean from someone I could have saved but didn't, than to live with the fact that I took a life in my hands and ended it, when it didn't deserve to end. The same holds true if it were a seal.

I know this is irrational, but it's just how I feel. Feel free to shoot holes in it.

So, you're saying the life of a seal and human are roughly equal in your opinion, and in regards to this scenario?

How far down does this equality go rats? bugs?

Edit:
Also

lol

it's a thought experiment

i don't understand how someone can think they didn't kill a person, when they willingly and knowingly took an action that ended a human life. only consequences matter; the agent is irrelevant.

Is taking an action = not taking any action?

[Lootifer]

Zero.

I couldn't consciously, willingly kill another thing, even if I was saving another life in the process. I would be disturbing the natural order of things. I'm not saying the man had it coming to him, but I would want the same result to be as if I wasn't there. It would be easier for me to wash my hands clean from someone I could have saved but didn't, than to live with the fact that I took a life in my hands and ended it, when it didn't deserve to end. The same holds true if it were a seal.

I know this is irrational, but it's just how I feel. Feel free to shoot holes in it.

So, you're saying the life of a seal and human are roughly equal in your opinion, and in regards to this scenario?

How far down does this equality go rats? bugs? your mum?

ZING

[john9blue]

lol

it's a thought experiment

i don't understand how someone can think they didn't kill a person, when they willingly and knowingly took an action that ended a human life. only consequences matter; the agent is irrelevant.

Is taking an action = not taking any action?

yes, if you mean that "not pressing BBS' button" is an action.

it was a deliberate act of free will to not press BBS' button (much like it's a deliberate act of free will to assert that god doesn't exist, but that's another thread lol)

[john9blue]

allow me to provide some visual aids that will help you all in reaching a decision.

[Dukasaur]

There's maybe 50 people in the world that I value highly enough that I would kill to save them. As for the rest, who gives a rat's ass? People are more common than lemmings, whereas seals are not.

[Haggis_McMutton]

There's maybe 50 people in the world that I value highly enough that I would kill to save them. As for the rest, who gives a rat's ass? People are more common than lemmings, whereas seals are not.

So, you're saying the life of a seal and human stranger are roughly equal in your opinion, and in regards to this scenario?

How far down does this equality go rats? bugs?

[BigBallinStalin]

allow me to provide some visual aids that will help you all in reaching a decision.

SIR, THESE PICTURES EVOKE STRONG EMOTIONS. YOU"RE RUINING THE POLL! RUINING IT, I SAY!!!!

[Haggis_McMutton]

Speaking of the poll, I love how this seems to be an "all or nothing" issue.

[john9blue]

Speaking of the poll, I love how this seems to be an "all or nothing" issue.

well at least people aren't wishy-washy.

"ehh, i'd say a human is worth about 20 BBS (beautiful baby seals)"

"why 20?"

"i dunno lol"

i didn't answer the poll though, because i think it depends on the person/seals in question

[rdsrds2120]

allow me to provide some visual aids that will help you all in reaching a decision.

Triggerpics

SIR, THESE PICTURES EVOKE STRONG EMOTIONS. YOU"RE RUINING THE POLL! RUINING IT, I SAY!!!!

Trigger warning. Seals. Hitler. Random people.

-rd

[smegal69]

1000's of seal die every year to keep some humans alive.




but i think it's time we clubbed some humans and keep more seals alive

[AAFitz]

That's an easy question. The real one that faces us is however, how many baby humans would you let die, to have more things?

That question however, is rhetorical. The answer is already known, and its a resounding; quite a few.

[AAFitz]

depends.

there are some humans that i wouldn't kill a single baby seal to save because they are better off dead

not all organisms of the same species have the same value.

This is absolutely true, and possibly the reason for much of the suffering we do allow. Imagine if we actually did consider all humans in the world of the same value. Imagine the world believed a God created each human for a real purpose and it was our job to make that world better for all of them, despite their location, their color, their religion. Its a true shame we have precious few such believers.

I do agree however, that many humans, have made choices and done things to not warrant the death of a seal, let alone a baby seal or a baby cricket for that matter die.

There is one thing that is obvious when you work with animals, have pets, or even just observe animals, and that underlying factor, is that every single last one of them wants to live, and most will put every last energy into doing whatever it takes to live. We as humans have a body that is capable of much greater understanding of life and death than many animals, but for the most part, our desire to live is just as programmed and no more, or no less then theirs. Every single creature just doesn't want to feel pain or die.

If one cannot have empathy for a fellow creature, how can one fully expect to have empathy for another person?

[AAFitz]

Baby seals die all the time, people die all the time. Why do I have to worry about killing either? I voted 0.

How does it feel, to kill an imaginary person?

Feels a lot like rolling a 6 when your opponent rolls a 1.


--Andy

An animal abuse thread is no place for a monkey.

[jimboston]

21-100

for an average human.

If it's someone I know... 1000+

If's it a douche-bag like those pics... 0

[BigBallinStalin]

So why are some people in here refusing to kill at least one baby seal in order to save one human being?

[Baron Von PWN]

So why are some people in here refusing to kill at least one baby seal in order to save one human being?

6 billion humans, less than 1 billion seals?

Also the phrasing of your question might be a factor.

If you asked if you would kill a baby seal to feed a starving person, you might see more people voting for that.

[BigBallinStalin]

So why are some people in here refusing to kill at least one baby seal in order to save one human being?

6 billion humans, less than 1 billion seals?

I'm not saying we gotta save all the humans. We're only talking one human here. (granted, I should've made that clearer earlier, but it's too late).

Also the phrasing of your question might be a factor.

If you asked if you would kill a baby seal to feed a starving person, you might see more people voting for that.

SHIT! YOU'RE RIGHT!!

that's a good one!

Here's a better one: you and your family are starving. You bump into BvP who seems very plump and healthy. Do you kill one BVP in order to save you and your family?

I wouldn't kill you BVP! I'd let my family do it...

[Baron Von PWN]

So why are some people in here refusing to kill at least one baby seal in order to save one human being?

6 billion humans, less than 1 billion seals?

I'm not saying we gotta save all the humans. We're only talking one human here. (granted, I should've made that clearer earlier, but it's too late).

Also the phrasing of your question might be a factor.

If you asked if you would kill a baby seal to feed a starving person, you might see more people voting for that.

SHIT! YOU'RE RIGHT!!

that's a good one!

Here's a better one: you and your family are starving. You bump into BvP who seems very plump and healthy. Do you kill one BVP in order to save you and your family?

I wouldn't kill you BVP! I'd let my family do it...

I disapprove of this turn of events.