South Park Mafia 2 Town Wins!

[blakebowling]

Vote Count
Epitaph1 (2) - drunk, safariguy5

With 12 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

[spiesr]

Well, based on what Safariguy had to say for himself, we can rule out him having actual been an actor and having come back to life that way. His testimony points towards him having no knowledge that he would be coming back to life and would indicate a reviver as the most probably cause. However, we can't exactly rule out some other options at this point. If his return to the living is linked with a change in his alignment then he would have ample reason to lie and say he didn't know how it happen and leave us to assume it must have been a reviver or something. His posts seem to imply that he didn't know he would be coming back and wasn't following the game super closely after his death. This of course doesn't actually rule out an alignment change, as he could either not have been informed about him being able to come back or he could simply be feigning surprise and whatnot. If he has been brought back by a reviver, that person could always come out and confirm it, but unless their only power is the one-shot ability to revive a player then doing so would probably be a bad idea. Even if it is and they are now equivalent to a vanilla, it isn't really necessary for them to do so right now. All this being said, there isn't any sort of evidence currently that would indicate that safariguy isn't exactly what he says he is. Accordingly I will not be pursuing this "thing which isn't a case but I don't know what actually to call it" at the present. Basically, I am just throwing it out there in case it ends up true and I die and nobody else thinks of the possibility.

[zimmah]

i'd like to point out that i don't think epi is acting scummy, but i have no clue as who to vote for atm.

[dazza2008]

i'd like to point out that i don't think epi is acting scummy, but i have no clue as who to vote for atm.

Epi if you think he is scum

[MoB Deadly]

allllriighhhtt.

I wanted to wait a bit today to see if

1) we got any info from a cop or something.
2) maybe we got involved in a case and I could see my suspect actively defend or prosecute someone.

Things seem to of stalled so I am going to reveal.

I am: Liane Cartman - Town Prostitute (Roleblocker) I blocked Dazza2008 last night, so I would like an explanation of what you attempted to do last night. I would honestly like a name claim as well Dazza.

unvote vote Dazza

[blakebowling]

Vote Count
Epitaph1 (2) - drunk, safariguy5
dazza (1) - MoB Deadly

With 12 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

[spiesr]

Vote Dazza. While there are some other possibilities for explaining why there was no kill, this is definitely the strongest lead we have to work with right now...

[Epitaph1]

vote Dazza

I agree with the above.

[dazza2008]

I wasn't blocked last night as I have no night action. I am Token Black Vanilla Townie. I think I will still be lynched as its a weak claim but I am what I am so not alot else I can do? I don't know why there was no kill. All I can guess is some sort of bus driver or something switched me with the killer, so MoB thinks he blocked me but actually blocked someone else.

[usAir]

I wasn't blocked last night as I have no night action. I am Token Black Vanilla Townie. I think I will still be lynched as its a weak claim but I am what I am so not alot else I can do? I don't know why there was no kill. All I can guess is some sort of bus driver or something switched me with the killer, so MoB thinks he blocked me but actually blocked someone else.

Not to cause a massclaim, but to believe that, I'd like a claim from the busdriver if in fact one did switch you with someone else.

[safariguy5]

I wasn't blocked last night as I have no night action. I am Token Black Vanilla Townie. I think I will still be lynched as its a weak claim but I am what I am so not alot else I can do? I don't know why there was no kill. All I can guess is some sort of bus driver or something switched me with the killer, so MoB thinks he blocked me but actually blocked someone else.

So that basically means that a busdriver role had to have targeted you and the killer. I mean, i'll wait a bit, but if nobody claims busdriver, I will vote you.

unvote

[spiesr]

Alright, so we have a vanilla townie claim. Certainly possible, but it could simply be a "safe" fake claim. No way to prove it really. Our primary point against Dazza is that there was no kill last night, and that MobDeadly blocked him last night. By the way Mob, would you care to share your night 1 target? The block isn't the only way the kill could have been prevented, but at the moment it seems to be the most likely course of events. As the others have said, if there is a bus driver who switch Dazza with anybody last night they should strongly consider mentioning it, as it would take the brunt of the case against Dazza and redirect to that other person. A few other possibilities exist: The victim of the kill attempt could have been saved (either by what we think is Doctor Butters CPR-MD or some other role that we don't know anything about yet.) The target could have been bulletproof. (Either some sort of bulletproof townie, or a redirection to a bulletproof Godfather.) The scene doesn't seem to strongly support the doctor version of events, although bulletproof could possibly fit.

A younger citizen of this town was being chased by an unknown assailant, they ran through the town until the smaller one had no place to run. As he backed up against the wall, he saw a gun point towards his face. Surprisingly, all he heard was a single click. When he looked up, his attacker had vanished into the night.

One minor interesting point regarding the scene is that the target is being described as smaller/younger than the assailant. So, if that part is true rather than just fluff, there seem to be two possibilities: 1. Dazza's character claim is a lie or he wasn't the attacker. 2. The target was a even younger character/ (Ike?)

[MoB Deadly]

I wasn't blocked last night as I have no night action. I am Token Black Vanilla Townie. I think I will still be lynched as its a weak claim but I am what I am so not alot else I can do? I don't know why there was no kill. All I can guess is some sort of bus driver or something switched me with the killer, so MoB thinks he blocked me but actually blocked someone else.

Thats a classic defense. Since he claimed Vanilla Townie I am certain that lynching him would definitely be worth the information we would gain. I think Dazza is the Devil. He would be significantly taller.

[safariguy5]

I wasn't blocked last night as I have no night action. I am Token Black Vanilla Townie. I think I will still be lynched as its a weak claim but I am what I am so not alot else I can do? I don't know why there was no kill. All I can guess is some sort of bus driver or something switched me with the killer, so MoB thinks he blocked me but actually blocked someone else.

Thats a classic defense. Since he claimed Vanilla Townie I am certain that lynching him would definitely be worth the information we would gain. I think Dazza is the Devil. He would be significantly taller.

I don't completely write off his explanation, but given how many people are left, Occam's Razor and the law of probabilities says that the most probable reason for no nightkill is that someone was roleblocked.

[MoB Deadly]

Just fyi I will not be near a computer all day today

[drunkmonkey]

I don't think we're going to get any more useful information out of this day, so I'm willing to take a chance on this one.

unvote vote dazza2008

still FOS epitaph

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I want to hear Mob's answer to the earlier question before doing my vote as well.

[zimmah]

vote dazza. if he turns out to be VT, MOB should be lynched.

[zimmah]

vote dazza. if he turns out to be VT, MOB should be lynched.

Edit by doublepost

[drunkmonkey]

vote dazza. if he turns out to be VT, MOB should be lynched.

Why is that? As far as I know, roleblockers don't get confirmation on whether they actually blocked their target from doing anything.

[spiesr]

vote dazza. if he turns out to be VT, MOB should be lynched.

I have to agree with DrunkMonkey here and question this decision. If Dazza turns out to actually be town that doesn't necessarily mean that MobDeadly was scum making it all up in order to get a townie lynched. He could very well simply have been mistaken about the connection between Dazza being blocked and the lack of a night kill. That option certainly seems to be a more likely scenario than him coming out with a fake town role-blocker claim in order to get one random townie lynched. I mean, it seem like that would have been a pretty risky move for scum to make, what with the possibility of there being an actual town role-blocker that would simply counter the claim and shut down the operation right at the start. Maybe if we were at LYLO or something could I see a gambit like that possibly being worth the risk. With 12 players alive, in a game where I couldn't see more than 4 scum, I am fairly confident we are not a LYLO now.

Something else we could discuss a bit while we are waiting to see if a busdriver or something happens. Has there been any indication if anyone had their vote stolen today? Upon reading back over day 2 I just noticed something strange about the "stolen" vote. On November 13, DrunkMonkey votes for Slowreactor.

No one seems to be coming forward with anything helpful from the night, and I think this case has some merit.
vote slowreactor

At that point there is nothing unusual about his vote. The first vote count after that, on November 14, records his vote normally.

Vote Count
slowreactor (3) - spiesr, drunkmonkey, MoB Deadly
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
With 12 alive, 7 Votes are required to lynch.

He makes no changes to his vote and it remains on Slowreactor not showing anything unusual for several vote counts, that last of which being on November 21.

Vote Count
slowreactor (5) - spiesr, drunkmonkey, LSU, Epitaph1, dazza2008 (L-2)
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
sensfan (3) - zimmah, MoB Deadly, drake_259

Then, on November 23, Blake posts the following vote count:

Vote Count
slowreactor (3) - spiesr, LSU, dazza2008
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
sensfan (4) - zimmah, MoB Deadly, drake_259, drunkmonkey (L-3)
LSU (1) - Epitaph1

With 12 alive, 7 Votes are required to lynch.
ATTENTION:Deadline has been extended to November 26th (Due to Thanksgiving, I overlooked that when setting the original deadline), it won't be enforced until sometime late-night though.
If no option has 7 votes (A player's lynch or a No-Lynch), then the option with the most votes will happen. If there is a tie it will be broken by Random.org.

Here the vote has been moved to Sensfan and is now colored red. Drunkmonkey expresses surprise at this turn of events and tries to change his vote, but he appears unable at to effect it.
The part of this that interests me is that DrunkMonkey appeared to be in control of his vote at the begging of day 2 and then lost control later in the day. In my experience, when a role like politician steals a vote it is for the entire day. The affected player will receive a message at the beginning of the day phase from the mod letting them know that they are unable to vote that day, or sometime not depending on the mod, and then that player will not be able to make any votes for that day. Here things seem to have worked differently. Either the vote was stolen by a day action, or the player that stole the vote was able to take control of it in during the day and before that the player whose vote was stolen would have no indication what had happened. (I suppose there is the very low chance the the vote was supposed to be out of Drunk's control the entire day and Blake simply forgot about it until the thief actually used it.)
For reference, the players who posted between the last vote count where Drunk controlled his vote and when it changed are zimmah, sensfan, drunkmonkey, skillfusniper33, slowreactor, dazza2008, Epitaph1, LSU Tiger Josh, spiesr, and usAir. Basically, everyone expect MobDeadly and Drake. (Also safariguy, who was dead at the time.)

[safariguy5]

That's interesting, it could be a delayed or activated ability. Something to keep an eye on, but vote manipulative roles tend to be town because they can make mafia win without having a majority of alive players.

[blakebowling]

vote dazza. if he turns out to be VT, MOB should be lynched.

I have to agree with DrunkMonkey here and question this decision. If Dazza turns out to actually be town that doesn't necessarily mean that MobDeadly was scum making it all up in order to get a townie lynched. He could very well simply have been mistaken about the connection between Dazza being blocked and the lack of a night kill. That option certainly seems to be a more likely scenario than him coming out with a fake town role-blocker claim in order to get one random townie lynched. I mean, it seem like that would have been a pretty risky move for scum to make, what with the possibility of there being an actual town role-blocker that would simply counter the claim and shut down the operation right at the start. Maybe if we were at LYLO or something could I see a gambit like that possibly being worth the risk. With 12 players alive, in a game where I couldn't see more than 4 scum, I am fairly confident we are not a LYLO now.

Something else we could discuss a bit while we are waiting to see if a busdriver or something happens. Has there been any indication if anyone had their vote stolen today? Upon reading back over day 2 I just noticed something strange about the "stolen" vote. On November 13, DrunkMonkey votes for Slowreactor.

No one seems to be coming forward with anything helpful from the night, and I think this case has some merit.
vote slowreactor

At that point there is nothing unusual about his vote. The first vote count after that, on November 14, records his vote normally.

Vote Count
slowreactor (3) - spiesr, drunkmonkey, MoB Deadly
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
With 12 alive, 7 Votes are required to lynch.

He makes no changes to his vote and it remains on Slowreactor not showing anything unusual for several vote counts, that last of which being on November 21.

Vote Count
slowreactor (5) - spiesr, drunkmonkey, LSU, Epitaph1, dazza2008 (L-2)
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
sensfan (3) - zimmah, MoB Deadly, drake_259

Then, on November 23, Blake posts the following vote count:

Vote Count
slowreactor (3) - spiesr, LSU, dazza2008
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
sensfan (4) - zimmah, MoB Deadly, drake_259, drunkmonkey (L-3)
LSU (1) - Epitaph1

With 12 alive, 7 Votes are required to lynch.
ATTENTION:Deadline has been extended to November 26th (Due to Thanksgiving, I overlooked that when setting the original deadline), it won't be enforced until sometime late-night though.
If no option has 7 votes (A player's lynch or a No-Lynch), then the option with the most votes will happen. If there is a tie it will be broken by Random.org.

Here the vote has been moved to Sensfan and is now colored red. Drunkmonkey expresses surprise at this turn of events and tries to change his vote, but he appears unable at to effect it.
The part of this that interests me is that DrunkMonkey appeared to be in control of his vote at the begging of day 2 and then lost control later in the day. In my experience, when a role like politician steals a vote it is for the entire day. The affected player will receive a message at the beginning of the day phase from the mod letting them know that they are unable to vote that day, or sometime not depending on the mod, and then that player will not be able to make any votes for that day. Here things seem to have worked differently. Either the vote was stolen by a day action, or the player that stole the vote was able to take control of it in during the day and before that the player whose vote was stolen would have no indication what had happened. (I suppose there is the very low chance the the vote was supposed to be out of Drunk's control the entire day and Blake simply forgot about it until the thief actually used it.)
For reference, the players who posted between the last vote count where Drunk controlled his vote and when it changed are zimmah, sensfan, drunkmonkey, skillfusniper33, slowreactor, dazza2008, Epitaph1, LSU Tiger Josh, spiesr, and usAir. Basically, everyone expect MobDeadly and Drake. (Also safariguy, who was dead at the time.)

I will confirm that there was no error on my part with drunkmonkey's vote.

[MoB Deadly]

I want to hear Mob's answer to the earlier question before doing my vote as well.

I blocked you kind sir.

vote dazza. if he turns out to be VT, MOB should be lynched.

That's fine with me, I am fairly confident we lynched the killer, unless he was bus driven, and no one has spoken up about it.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

[b]Vote dazza[/]