TheMissionary's Quads Showdown [TPA2] [Completed]

by **TheMissionary** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:58 pm

edit: mc29. This Tournament has been rescued by mviola

Scores and updates can be found here: Scores and Updates

All single players will be divided into teams randomly.

Update: Due to only getting 26 teams, I'm going to follow the same format. It will only consist of 6 groups of 4, with 2 being 5. We'll just work down the list of maps until we are done.

show: Format

show: Settings

show: Maps

show: Teams

show: Groups and Standings Rounds 1-3

show: Groups and Standings Rounds 4-5

show: Standings Rounds 6-7

by **TheMissionary** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:58 pm

8. Pelopennosian War
8. Poison Rome
8. Soviet Union
9. Age of Merchants
9. Antarctica
9. Bamboo Jack
10. Clandemonium
10. New World
10. Waterloo
11. Chicago
11. Forbidden City
11. Sydney Metro

Finalists
1. dowian2, jj3044, swimmerdude99, and happyfeet -- 1-5 (16-12/57%)
2. GeneralJestix, Robespierre__, gas, uckuki -- 4-2 (20-10/66%)
3. mviola, IcePack, Odeuminus, link0983 -- 4-2 (19-10/66%)
4. angola, jetsetwilly, Hook2, Crazysnakeguy -- 3-3 (16-12/57%)

Overall record and win percentage updated each round only.

by **Bones2484** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:14 pm

Bones2484, Timminz, Barterer2002, Hath

by **dowian2** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:39 pm

I'm a bit confused about the rules.

The way I'm seeing it, there will be the following number of teams each round: 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. Based on this, there are 23 rounds.... am I misreading? If not, why are there 36 maps?

The way I'm seeing it, there will be a 16-team round robin in Division A, and a 16-team round robin in Division B. After 45 games per team, you'll eliminate the weakest team in each division. Then, there will be a 15-team round robin in Division A, and a 15-team round robin in Division B. This means the winning team will play a total of (15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1)*3= 636 quads games. Again, am I misreading this?

by **Kinnison** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:23 am

dowian2 wrote:I'm a bit confused about the rules.

The way I'm seeing it, there will be the following number of teams each round: 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. Based on this, there are 23 rounds.... am I misreading? If not, why are there 36 maps?

The way I'm seeing it, there will be a 16-team round robin in Division A, and a 16-team round robin in Division B. After 45 games per team, you'll eliminate the weakest team in each division. Then, there will be a 15-team round robin in Division A, and a 15-team round robin in Division B. This means the winning team will play a total of (15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1)*3= 636 quads games. Again, am I misreading this?

My first thought on seeing the format was "<unprintable>, this is gonna take a while..." But yes, my understanding mirrors yours.

by **ubcman64** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:44 am

I didn't do the math, but if you guys are right, do you know how many years it will take for this to finish playing out doing (1) 3-game set at a time?........decades, literally.
Playing 45 games in the first round alone will take a year minimum...probably closer to 2 years. Quads games are notoriously slow.

by **malevolous** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:50 am

In with Ljex, Swimmerdude99, and Pconnolly365.

by **Bones2484** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:00 pm

dowian2 wrote:I'm a bit confused about the rules.

The way I'm seeing it, there will be the following number of teams each round: 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. Based on this, there are 23 rounds.... am I misreading? If not, why are there 36 maps?

The way I'm seeing it, there will be a 16-team round robin in Division A, and a 16-team round robin in Division B. After 45 games per team, you'll eliminate the weakest team in each division. Then, there will be a 15-team round robin in Division A, and a 15-team round robin in Division B. This means the winning team will play a total of (15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1)*3= 636 quads games. Again, am I misreading this?

Now that I re-read the set up, this is the way I read it too. If this is true, please remove our team from the tournament... way too many games for me.

by **Leehar** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:11 pm

Reserved entry pending members tbc and clarification on format

by **wombat4** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:18 pm

Add me to a team if there is room...reserve.

by **Enormastitz** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:21 pm

Enormastitz
Terry Nutkins
Tin Trumpet
Dorsettrob

Clarification of format would be good.

by **Night Strike** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:25 pm

As others have mentioned, you need to clarify the structure of the tournament. Tournaments are supposed to be designed so that they will finish in 1 year. The way I'm reading your setup, this tournament doesn't even attempt to do that.

by **Kinnison** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:58 pm

Kinnison wrote:My first thought on seeing the format was "<unprintable>, this is gonna take a while..." But yes, my understanding mirrors yours.

ubcman64 wrote:I didn't do the math, but if you guys are right, do you know how many years it will take for this to finish playing out doing (1) 3-game set at a time?........decades, literally.

I thought ubc was exaggerating a tad, so i did some more math. At 3 months for each "set", the approximate run time is 53 years. if you could cram that down to a month per set, it becomes only ~18 years. ...still a trifle long. :lol:

I love Round Robin, but it does take time. PM sent to TheMissionary with some ideas.

by **ubcman64** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:11 pm

Kinnison wrote:
Kinnison wrote:My first thought on seeing the format was "<unprintable>, this is gonna take a while..." But yes, my understanding mirrors yours.

ubcman64 wrote:I didn't do the math, but if you guys are right, do you know how many years it will take for this to finish playing out doing (1) 3-game set at a time?........decades, literally.

I thought ubc was exaggerating a tad, so i did some more math. At 3 months for each "set", the approximate run time is 53 years. if you could cram that down to a month per set, it becomes only ~18 years. ...still a trifle long.

I love Round Robin, but it does take time. PM sent to TheMissionary with some ideas.

i'm going to have to pass on joining this tournament. at age 42, the odds are good that i won't live long enough to see it through to the end. :lol:

by **Kinnison** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:15 pm

ubcman64 wrote:i'm going to have to pass on joining this tournament. at age 42, the odds are good that i won't live long enough to see it through to the end.

Hey, I'm 43, and assembling a team. You wuss.

C'mon, you need something other than Canasta to play in retirement...

by **TheMissionary** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:19 pm

Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was in a hurry when I posted the tournament as I had a deadline. I am currently working on reworking the format to make it less games and right number of games/maps per round.

by **TheMissionary** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:43 pm

Ok, I think i have it worked out. I added 4 teams and made the format faster. I think all in all it should be 12 rounds. If anyone see's anything wrong please let me know via PM.

by **Leehar** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:01 pm

dowian2 wrote:I'm a bit confused about the rules.

The way I'm seeing it, there will be the following number of teams each round: 36, 30, 24, 18, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 1 . Based on this, there are 9 rounds.... am I misreading? If not, why are there 36 maps?

The way I'm seeing it, there will be a 6-team round robin in Division A, and a 6-team round robin in Division B, C, D, E, F. After 5 games per team, you'll eliminate the weakest team in each division. Then, there will be a 5-team round robin in Division A, and a 5-team round robin in Division B, C etc. This means the winning team will play a total of (5+4+3+2+5+4+3+2+9) = 37 quads games? Again, am I misreading this?

Ok, I bolded the relevant numbers that I edited from dowians reading with the current format. (and ignoring the last sentence of 3 games every round-since it's 1 game per team for the first two 6 team RR stages.

I don't think this is too bad?

Either way, I'm in with a team of maasman, leapfrog and lequeen, since this does seem manageable.

Basically, it's 6 teams in 6 groups for the first stage, and then 6 teams with 2 groups for the second, with still only 1 game played against the other teams. (with teams dropping out at the end of each 'round' until there are 2 left in the group?)
And then in the final group there's 4 teams, with 3 games played against each of the 3 teams?

However, I'm not so certain you'll get 36 quads teams within the month? it's still 144 players, so just check how quickly other recent quad team tournaments have filled?

by **TheMissionary** on Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:09 pm

Leehar wrote:
dowian2 wrote:I'm a bit confused about the rules.

The way I'm seeing it, there will be the following number of teams each round: 36, 30, 24, 18, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 1 . Based on this, there are 9 rounds.... am I misreading? If not, why are there 36 maps?

The way I'm seeing it, there will be a 6-team round robin in Division A, and a 6-team round robin in Division B, C, D, E, F. After 5 games per team, you'll eliminate the weakest team in each division. Then, there will be a 5-team round robin in Division A, and a 5-team round robin in Division B, C etc. This means the winning team will play a total of (5+4+3+2+5+4+3+2+9) = 37 quads games? Again, am I misreading this?

Ok, I bolded the relevant numbers that I edited from dowians reading with the current format. (and ignoring the last sentence of 3 games every round-since it's 1 game per team for the first two 6 team RR stages.

I don't think this is too bad?

Either way, I'm in with a team of maasman, leapfrog and lequeen, since this does seem manageable.

Basically, it's 6 teams in 6 groups for the first stage, and then 6 teams with 2 groups for the second, with still only 1 game played against the other teams. (with teams dropping out at the end of each 'round' until there are 2 left in the group?)
And then in the final group there's 4 teams, with 3 games played against each of the 3 teams?

However, I'm not so certain you'll get 36 quads teams within the month? it's still 144 players, so just check how quickly other recent quad team tournaments have filled?