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TheForgivenOne
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MrPipes What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?
The rule on this site ONLY is in affect if New Recruits are being played. Not low ranks.
^^ AND...
He doesn't 'systematically farm' them... they join on their own. He doesn't go around and join the all, they join his games. And as you might have noticed, he doesn't even invite them.
Rulings in the past have actually had warnings and Point Resets for players who set up a ton of one gametype in hopes that it attracts only attracts New Recruits. So that doesn't exactly fly anymore.
Dibbun wrote:TheForgivenOne on March 19, 2011 said this from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=140612TheForgivenOne
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TheForgivenOne
MrPipes What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?
The rule on this site ONLY is in affect if New Recruits are being played. Not low ranks.
^^ AND...
He doesn't 'systematically farm' them... they join on their own. He doesn't go around and join the all, they join his games. And as you might have noticed, he doesn't even invite them.
Rulings in the past have actually had warnings and Point Resets for players who set up a ton of one gametype in hopes that it attracts only attracts New Recruits. So that doesn't exactly fly anymore.
You have set up a ton of one gametype and it has attracted New Recruits.
eye84free wrote:Ok this is alot to take in. But I think I got it.
First off, I cant find any proff that he invited the players to the games, this being said he can not control the people who join, most games were noobs that joined but some other players that are more expeiranced also joined some. So for farming as it stands now I will note this for future referance.
Rodion wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=129452 - noted
viewtopic.php?p=2841013#p2841013
Coincidentally, it was the same practice on the same map.
KraphtOne wrote:I got a warning, you got "noted" this guy will get "cleared" next guy will get "point reset"
It's literally just whatever mood they're in
Lubawski wrote:Same map, not the same practice by the looks of it. 4 player vs. 5 player. I agree that any conquest maps is ideal when players have 2 starting points. The site needs to find a way of blocking new recruits from these games if they are that concerned. For those who do systematically farm new recruits, what a waste of time. I'm not sure people can convince themselves that 1. points really matter than much and 2. using cheap tactics to gain those points somehow validates your intelligence. A win is only a win if the opponent is worthy.
lackattack wrote:"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.
This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.
In accordance with the desires and feedback of the majority of the community, our rules and as a new leaf for 2009, it is our New Years resolution to make Newbie Farming forbidden. Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.
This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.
karelpietertje wrote:Everybody knows you get only New Recruits if you pick 5 player games as a setting.
Then pick a map that is in the list of maps New Recruits can join, and make a whole bunch of them.
New Recruits can't see 6-8 man games, so in the Join A Game list, they will pretty soon show up at the first page, while at the same time, it's still on like page 30 for the rest of CC.
assassin07 wrote:Even if thay are whats the big deal they are still players and we all got to learn how to play i know i lost lots of games to higher ranks but got better i could understand if that is the only game the person plays but some people report peeps that play a few recruits here and there but also play other peeps but when you make a public game any one can join and thats it you cant chose who and if they join their fault its messed up he will get in trouble when he didnt make them join or even asked
TheForgivenOne wrote:assassin07 wrote:Even if thay are whats the big deal they are still players and we all got to learn how to play i know i lost lots of games to higher ranks but got better i could understand if that is the only game the person plays but some people report peeps that play a few recruits here and there but also play other peeps but when you make a public game any one can join and thats it you cant chose who and if they join their fault its messed up he will get in trouble when he didnt make them join or even asked
Doesn't matter. A majority of NR's that join this site, either A: Have no clue what they are doing or B: Leave the site. So in a majority of games, most New Recruits deadbeat out of it, leaving a very experienced player on a map going against 1 maybe 2 people who have 0 knowledge of the map/game. Heck, a lot of times all the NR's deadbeat out of the game.
assassin07 wrote:TheForgivenOne wrote:assassin07 wrote:Even if thay are whats the big deal they are still players and we all got to learn how to play i know i lost lots of games to higher ranks but got better i could understand if that is the only game the person plays but some people report peeps that play a few recruits here and there but also play other peeps but when you make a public game any one can join and thats it you cant chose who and if they join their fault its messed up he will get in trouble when he didnt make them join or even asked
Doesn't matter. A majority of NR's that join this site, either A: Have no clue what they are doing or B: Leave the site. So in a majority of games, most New Recruits deadbeat out of it, leaving a very experienced player on a map going against 1 maybe 2 people who have 0 knowledge of the map/game. Heck, a lot of times all the NR's deadbeat out of the game.
Ya but thats not his fualt
Dibbun wrote:Source: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745lackattack wrote:"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.
This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.
In accordance with the desires and feedback of the majority of the community, our rules and as a new leaf for 2009, it is our New Years resolution to make Newbie Farming forbidden. Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.
This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.
Here's a good argument made by karelpietertje.
Source: viewtopic.php?p=2838768#p2838768karelpietertje wrote:Everybody knows you get only New Recruits if you pick 5 player games as a setting.
Then pick a map that is in the list of maps New Recruits can join, and make a whole bunch of them.
New Recruits can't see 6-8 man games, so in the Join A Game list, they will pretty soon show up at the first page, while at the same time, it's still on like page 30 for the rest of CC.
These games were specifically created en masse to attract new recruits with no intention of them being filled by ranked players. It was systematic farming.
TheForgivenOne wrote:assassin07 wrote:TheForgivenOne wrote:assassin07 wrote:Even if thay are whats the big deal they are still players and we all got to learn how to play i know i lost lots of games to higher ranks but got better i could understand if that is the only game the person plays but some people report peeps that play a few recruits here and there but also play other peeps but when you make a public game any one can join and thats it you cant chose who and if they join their fault its messed up he will get in trouble when he didnt make them join or even asked
Doesn't matter. A majority of NR's that join this site, either A: Have no clue what they are doing or B: Leave the site. So in a majority of games, most New Recruits deadbeat out of it, leaving a very experienced player on a map going against 1 maybe 2 people who have 0 knowledge of the map/game. Heck, a lot of times all the NR's deadbeat out of the game.
Ya but thats not his fualt
So you're saying it's fair that he rockets up the scoreboard all because all his opponents deadbeat?
assassin07 wrote:TheForgivenOne wrote:assassin07 wrote:Even if thay are whats the big deal they are still players and we all got to learn how to play i know i lost lots of games to higher ranks but got better i could understand if that is the only game the person plays but some people report peeps that play a few recruits here and there but also play other peeps but when you make a public game any one can join and thats it you cant chose who and if they join their fault its messed up he will get in trouble when he didnt make them join or even asked
Doesn't matter. A majority of NR's that join this site, either A: Have no clue what they are doing or B: Leave the site. So in a majority of games, most New Recruits deadbeat out of it, leaving a very experienced player on a map going against 1 maybe 2 people who have 0 knowledge of the map/game. Heck, a lot of times all the NR's deadbeat out of the game.
Ya but thats not his fualt
IR1SH ACE wrote:I am still 100% behind u on this one ad10r3tr0, this is not an issue of farmin NR's
just check out ad10r3tr0 stats for 4 way Pelop War......53 wins from 69 completed games. a very nice 77% win ratio
and is more than capable of winin evenin when non NR's join his games, some examples below
Game 7853661
Game 7944336
Game 9139113
Game 9264744
Game 9264749
as has been said a couple of times this is more an Issue of limitin further the amount of maps NR's can join,
Pelop War should not be accessible to NR's
ad10r3tr0 wrote:IR1SH ACE wrote:I am still 100% behind u on this one ad10r3tr0, this is not an issue of farmin NR's
just check out ad10r3tr0 stats for 4 way Pelop War......53 wins from 69 completed games. a very nice 77% win ratio
and is more than capable of winin evenin when non NR's join his games, some examples below
Game 7853661
Game 7944336
Game 9139113
Game 9264744
Game 9264749
as has been said a couple of times this is more an Issue of limitin further the amount of maps NR's can join,
Pelop War should not be accessible to NR's
Thank you Irish!
And here are some speed games... like I said, I don't really care who joins my games. I really enjoy the setting, the map, etc. of Pelo War..If it's really that big of a deal or you are really jealous I'm that good at this map or you're jealous of my score then keep reporting me.. Because I'm not going to stop playing the setting the I LOVE! If u want it stopped, ask the mods to limit PELO to only ranked players...
Game 9341977
Game 9273207
Game 9230814
Game 9230306
Game 9158101
Game 9152147
Game 9160706
Game 9154799
All against really good competition..all 1600 points+
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