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qwert wrote:Leningrad Army
-Narva
-Novgorod
-Leningrad
-Demyansk
-Smolensk
-Polatsk
-Velikiye Luki
Moscow Army
-Rzhev
-Bryansk
-Mozhaysk
-Moscow
-Tula
-Oryol
-Voronezh
-Kursk
-Kharkiv
-Belgorod
Stalingrad Army
-Stalingrad
-Don
-Rostov
-Mozdok
-Maykop
-Novorossiysk
-Stavropol
-Krasnodar
Von Rundstedt Army
-Cherkasy
-Dnipropetrovs
-Uman
-Odesa
-Isthmus of Perekop
-Donets
-Sevastopol
Von Bock Army
-Lviv
-Ternopil
-Brest
-Homyel
-Minsk
-Kyiv
-Poltava
Von Leeb Army
-Saaremaa
-Tallinn
-Białystok
-Vilnius
-Riga
AndrewB wrote:And it is up to you, but you can leave Perekop as it is right now, without word "Isthmus". It is known place, and most of the people just call it Perekop.
AndrewB wrote:qwert wrote:Ok andrew if you say Odesa then i will change name from Odessa to Odesa ok.
Ok, great, so it is going to be Ukrainian-English spelling?
Then all three: Lviv, Odesa and Kyiv should be changed.
qwert wrote:Guiscard if people dont want to see any change, why you can acept these? If 100 people dont want to see any change and 5 want, do you think that these 5 right and these 100 wrong, any way you want too tell me if 51% be for yours opcion you will acept these, but if 51 % be for my option you will not acept these. Where is these democraty?
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
AndrewB wrote:qwert wrote:Ok andrew if you say Odesa then i will change name from Odessa to Odesa ok.
Ok, great, so it is going to be Ukrainian-English spelling?
Then all three: Lviv, Odesa and Kyiv should be changed.
qwert wrote:well its look that these must be Kiev or i become confuse?
qwert wrote:I return Kiev and Odessa.
Ruben Cassar wrote:qwert wrote:I return Kiev and Odessa.
Good man. And what's great is that we reached page 80!
Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaa!
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
Guiscard wrote:Ruben Cassar wrote:qwert wrote:I return Kiev and Odessa.
Good man. And what's great is that we reached page 80!
Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaa!
It'll be 880 before it gets quenched...
Ruben Cassar wrote:qwert wrote:well its look that these must be Kiev or i become confuse?
Yes I gave you a link from the BBC. It's Kiev and Odessa. And believe me the BBC are not wrong on this one.
What Andrew gave you are Ukrainian names in Latin alphabet not the proper English names. Revert to the proper ones please.
qwert wrote:anybody know record in longest topic in CC?
Samus wrote:You know, this thread already had the Foundry record a long ass time ago. The second longest was the World 2.0 map thread with 38 pages, we have long since schooled that weak sauce.
qwert wrote:I think that is very large terittory and i can put easy these names.
Ukrainian: Перекопський перешийок-Isthmus of Perekop
You see in ukrainian its not only Perekop
Nikolai wrote:GAHHH...
What's hard to understand about this? A vote for 3 is not a vote for no change. As I already mentioned, it only says no change because qwert is assuming a vote for no difference means a vote for no change, WHICH IT DOES NOT! A vote for no difference means that the person thinks it would be no better one way or the other. WHICH IS A PASS! It means that the voter doesn't care if the lines are smoothed or jagged! So if a million people voted option 3, all that would mean is that a million people see no difference and DON'T CARE whether the lines are left alone or smoothed! If people wanted to vote for option A, they'd vote for option A. Apologies to qwert, but you really, really can't shuffle the poll wording to force anyone who doesn't see a difference to vote for option A.
Thanks to Andy for seeing it. I begin to understand why his title includes zookeeper.
EDIT: I'm sorry, I was in a bad mood, but my point stands.
AndrewB wrote:Ruben Cassar wrote:qwert wrote:well its look that these must be Kiev or i become confuse?
Yes I gave you a link from the BBC. It's Kiev and Odessa. And believe me the BBC are not wrong on this one.
What Andrew gave you are Ukrainian names in Latin alphabet not the proper English names. Revert to the proper ones please.
Excuse me, Ruben, do you speak either of the languages? Do you know any history of that region? No? I do. You should not be be giving away facts which you don't know and cannot back up.
There are 2 transliteration: Kiev and Kyiv, one is Russian another is Ukrainian.
The English people know it as Kiev, just because it was under USSR for 74 years (and centuries before that under Russian Empire), and the state language of USSR was Russian. And it was spelled as Kyiv just since 1991. That is the first time in the history (since medieval times) that all of the Ukraine, within its current borders, became independent. And Ukrainian became its state language.
Would you trust CIA? Then you should check out here:
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/up.html
See also "Kiev or Kyiv?"
Your example of Moskva and Moscow has absolutely nothing do to with it. Please read more here: http://masterrussian.net/mforum/viewtopic.php?t=5026 if you want to understand the etymology of English name for Moskva.
And let me repeat my self again. I don't care which transliteration qwert will decide to use, but it must be consistent. Probably using Russian transliteration is more appropriate, because in the end of the day it is map of WWII, when there was no Ukraine.
So if qwert wants to use the Russian transliteration, then the only change he needs to do is to change Ternopil to Ternopol (That is what I originally suggested).
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