It gets worse, apparently one of the women has ceased to cooperate with the authorities and her lawyer (and btw, who the heck is paying him? That guy is famous in Sweden and has been involved with high-profile cases in the past, getting his services is expensive. What's more, he represented the alleged victims pretty much as soon as the first accusations were raised).
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saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
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Might be a bit late but the documents that said that the USA resisted calls from Arab leaders (particularly Saudi Arabia) to attack Iran.Phatscotty wrote:Were there any documents that made the USA look good? A single one? if anyone knows please bring to light
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Back to the situation and how it relates to PFC Bradley Manning:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
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And still...nothing? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?from_rssWoodruff wrote:Back to the situation and how it relates to PFC Bradley Manning:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
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It's disgusting. Speaking out against torture will get you fired, but actual torture won't.Woodruff wrote:And still...nothing? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?from_rssWoodruff wrote:Back to the situation and how it relates to PFC Bradley Manning:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
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Well, he was concerned that there may have been torture, but he wasn't sure, since the security agencies in charge/involved in such an affair aren't very transparent.Symmetry wrote:It's disgusting. Speaking out against torture will get you fired, but actual torture won't.Woodruff wrote:And still...nothing? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?from_rssWoodruff wrote:Back to the situation and how it relates to PFC Bradley Manning:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
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True- and torture is now a term of debate.BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, he was concerned that there may have been torture, but he wasn't sure, since the security agencies in charge/involved in such an affair aren't very transparent.Symmetry wrote:It's disgusting. Speaking out against torture will get you fired, but actual torture won't.Woodruff wrote:And still...nothing? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?from_rssWoodruff wrote:Back to the situation and how it relates to PFC Bradley Manning:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
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He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.Symmetry wrote:True- and torture is now a term of debate.BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, he was concerned that there may have been torture, but he wasn't sure, since the security agencies in charge/involved in such an affair aren't very transparent.Symmetry wrote:It's disgusting. Speaking out against torture will get you fired, but actual torture won't.Woodruff wrote:And still...nothing? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?from_rssWoodruff wrote:Back to the situation and how it relates to PFC Bradley Manning:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ichs-attem
Why is there no national outrage over this?
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
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I'm pretty sure that being held indefinitely without trial is not a reasonable punishment.BigBallinStalin wrote:He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.Symmetry wrote:True- and torture is now a term of debate.BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, he was concerned that there may have been torture, but he wasn't sure, since the security agencies in charge/involved in such an affair aren't very transparent.Symmetry wrote:It's disgusting. Speaking out against torture will get you fired, but actual torture won't.Woodruff wrote: And still...nothing? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?from_rss
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
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You beat me to it there.Woodruff wrote:I'm pretty sure that being held indefinitely without trial is not a reasonable punishment.BigBallinStalin wrote:He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.Symmetry wrote:True- and torture is now a term of debate.BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, he was concerned that there may have been torture, but he wasn't sure, since the security agencies in charge/involved in such an affair aren't very transparent.Symmetry wrote:It's disgusting. Speaking out against torture will get you fired, but actual torture won't.
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
And BBS, he may not be beaten or waterboarded, but he is being held isolated, kept locked up for 23 hours per day, not allowed to exercise beyond spending the remaining hour/day walking around a room, he's not given any bedding and has lately had to sleep naked and present himself naked to the wardens in the morning. Last I heard he's also regularly "checked up on" at night to "make sure he's still alive".
Isolation, sleep deprivation, demeaning treatment, that doesn't sound anything like reasonable treatment for a suspect, even if he had been convicted it wouldn't be.
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Ah, I'll make note in personal notebook not to double-cross the US Intelligence Community.
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Or...you know...do the right thing.BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, I'll make note in personal notebook not to double-cross the US Intelligence Community.
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Manning is not in solitary confinement for treason. As far as I know he hasn't been convicted for any crime. I agree that his treatment is punishment, but he is still an innocent man until proven guilty. Perhaps the punishment should start after a fair trial? Until then, we can only agree on the fact that he's being punished without trial, right?BigBallinStalin wrote:
He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
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From what I've read from newspaper articles, he was booked with disseminating classified information. It would be pretty dumb for them to throw this charge on him, and then let him escape the US by not imprisoning him.Symmetry wrote:Manning is not in solitary confinement for treason. As far as I know he hasn't been convicted for any crime. I agree that his treatment is punishment, but he is still an innocent man until proven guilty. Perhaps the punishment should start after a fair trial? Until then, we can only agree on the fact that he's being punished without trial, right?BigBallinStalin wrote:
He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
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Would you say that he did the right thing?Woodruff wrote:Or...you know...do the right thing.BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, I'll make note in personal notebook not to double-cross the US Intelligence Community.
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Based on what I know of the situation, yes I would. Of course, I'm just guessing because I have access to only very limited information. Certainly, he did not do the right thing for HIMSELF. The military does not look kindly on being embarrassed.BigBallinStalin wrote:Would you say that he did the right thing?Woodruff wrote:Or...you know...do the right thing.BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, I'll make note in personal notebook not to double-cross the US Intelligence Community.
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Would you say that it's right for people to engage in treason if they're releasing state secrets?Woodruff wrote:Based on what I know of the situation, yes I would. Of course, I'm just guessing because I have access to only very limited information. Certainly, he did not do the right thing for HIMSELF. The military does not look kindly on being embarrassed.BigBallinStalin wrote:Would you say that he did the right thing?Woodruff wrote:Or...you know...do the right thing.BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, I'll make note in personal notebook not to double-cross the US Intelligence Community.
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I think it's entirely situational. If the state secrets entail the government doing illegal things, then I would say that it is treasonous NOT to release that information.BigBallinStalin wrote:Would you say that it's right for people to engage in treason if they're releasing state secrets?Woodruff wrote:Based on what I know of the situation, yes I would. Of course, I'm just guessing because I have access to only very limited information. Certainly, he did not do the right thing for HIMSELF. The military does not look kindly on being embarrassed.BigBallinStalin wrote:Would you say that he did the right thing?Woodruff wrote:Or...you know...do the right thing.BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, I'll make note in personal notebook not to double-cross the US Intelligence Community.
Sometimes, I think the Washington Post reporters would be sitting in prison somewhere if the Watergate scandal had broken in today's mindset.
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He's being held awaiting trial. Whatever evidence there is against him should be tested in court before punishment begins. As you have noted, solitary confinement is being used as punishment. This without any conviction.BigBallinStalin wrote:From what I've read from newspaper articles, he was booked with disseminating classified information. It would be pretty dumb for them to throw this charge on him, and then let him escape the US by not imprisoning him.Symmetry wrote:Manning is not in solitary confinement for treason. As far as I know he hasn't been convicted for any crime. I agree that his treatment is punishment, but he is still an innocent man until proven guilty. Perhaps the punishment should start after a fair trial? Until then, we can only agree on the fact that he's being punished without trial, right?BigBallinStalin wrote:
He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
Nobody is arguing that he should be allowed to flee the US. Being stripped naked every night and held in solitary for 23 hours a day is a different matter. That is punishment, and has nothing to do with him escaping custody.
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Well, they wouldn't want him committing suicide, now would they?Symmetry wrote:He's being held awaiting trial. Whatever evidence there is against him should be tested in court before punishment begins. As you have noted, solitary confinement is being used as punishment. This without any conviction.BigBallinStalin wrote:From what I've read from newspaper articles, he was booked with disseminating classified information. It would be pretty dumb for them to throw this charge on him, and then let him escape the US by not imprisoning him.Symmetry wrote:Manning is not in solitary confinement for treason. As far as I know he hasn't been convicted for any crime. I agree that his treatment is punishment, but he is still an innocent man until proven guilty. Perhaps the punishment should start after a fair trial? Until then, we can only agree on the fact that he's being punished without trial, right?BigBallinStalin wrote:
He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
Nobody is arguing that he should be allowed to flee the US. Being stripped naked every night and held in solitary for 23 hours a day is a different matter. That is punishment, and has nothing to do with him escaping custody.
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I really shouldn't... Oh fuck it.BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, they wouldn't want him committing suicide, now would they?Symmetry wrote:He's being held awaiting trial. Whatever evidence there is against him should be tested in court before punishment begins. As you have noted, solitary confinement is being used as punishment. This without any conviction.BigBallinStalin wrote:From what I've read from newspaper articles, he was booked with disseminating classified information. It would be pretty dumb for them to throw this charge on him, and then let him escape the US by not imprisoning him.Symmetry wrote:Manning is not in solitary confinement for treason. As far as I know he hasn't been convicted for any crime. I agree that his treatment is punishment, but he is still an innocent man until proven guilty. Perhaps the punishment should start after a fair trial? Until then, we can only agree on the fact that he's being punished without trial, right?BigBallinStalin wrote:He's in solitary confinement for treason. This seems to me to be a reasonable punishment.
As far as I know, the prisoner isn't being beaten, water boarded, etc.
Nobody is arguing that he should be allowed to flee the US. Being stripped naked every night and held in solitary for 23 hours a day is a different matter. That is punishment, and has nothing to do with him escaping custody.
BBS, you're trolling. Now stfu.
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