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Postby Blueoctober on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:22 pm

let me try again. morph used logical plain statements and you made youself look like an idiot
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Postby morph on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:23 pm

cmckinney wrote:
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Here's something interesting: Bush wants our economy to go up. So he cuts taxes. To the rich. But here's the thing - the rich have too much money to spend. So they end up accumalating this money. Instead of giving the money to the poor, who would spend it on something they need, the money goes to the rich, who keep it. This leads to a weaker economy.


Oh yes, the poor would so definitely use the money for better things then us snobby rich people. Yeah, i can just see them goin out and getting a private school education, or puttting it in a savings fund. No, they would just spend it on some freakin drugs or alcohol. And the rich are so evil by actually saving money?????? oh dear. They're not gonna be rich long with 30 to 40% tax rates. There will be no upper class.

So in ur opinion, us giving more money to drug additcted hobos will boost our ecoconomy. Why didnt our top analysts think of that?


my parents are about to loose our house, i am not complaining, im looking for a way to keep the house, or get another place to stay for me and my parents, my mother is trying to better herself by going to college, my father works harder then hell to support us, and im trying to find a job and cant find a single one, we are poor, and your a fucking idiot...

some people do drugs, my family does not, we are just on hard times, like a lot of people, a lot of people do drugs, a hell of a lot of people don't but they have a series of things happen to them that puts them down to nothing...

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Postby DIRESTRAITS on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:24 pm

How di I make myself look like an idiot? I typed it in a hurry, maybe thats it. And what are you talking about "you have enough trouble in your own thread"
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Postby morph on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:24 pm

Blueoctober wrote:let me try again. morph used logical plain statements and you made youself look like an idiot


hehe thanks, normally im the one that rambles or cannot put the logic into good sentences, i still think i failed on the sentences part.. hope its not to hard to understand >.<
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Postby Blueoctober on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:25 pm

morph wrote:
cmckinney wrote:
unriggable wrote:

Here's something interesting: Bush wants our economy to go up. So he cuts taxes. To the rich. But here's the thing - the rich have too much money to spend. So they end up accumalating this money. Instead of giving the money to the poor, who would spend it on something they need, the money goes to the rich, who keep it. This leads to a weaker economy.


Oh yes, the poor would so definitely use the money for better things then us snobby rich people. Yeah, i can just see them goin out and getting a private school education, or puttting it in a savings fund. No, they would just spend it on some freakin drugs or alcohol. And the rich are so evil by actually saving money?????? oh dear. They're not gonna be rich long with 30 to 40% tax rates. There will be no upper class.

So in ur opinion, us giving more money to drug additcted hobos will boost our ecoconomy. Why didnt our top analysts think of that?


my parents are about to loose our house, i am not complaining, im looking for a way to keep the house, or get another place to stay for me and my parents, my mother is trying to better herself by going to college, my father works harder then hell to support us, and im trying to find a job and cant find a single one, we are poor, and your a fucking idiot...

some people do drugs, my family does not, we are just on hard times, like a lot of people, a lot of people do drugs, a hell of a lot of people don't but they have a series of things happen to them that puts them down to nothing...

Think before you speak douche.... make sure you don't insult most people by being stupid...


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Postby Blueoctober on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:26 pm

morph wrote:
Blueoctober wrote:let me try again. morph used logical plain statements and you made youself look like an idiot


hehe thanks, normally im the one that rambles or cannot put the logic into good sentences, i still think i failed on the sentences part.. hope its not to hard to understand >.<


you did mess up on the sentences thats why i said statements
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Postby Evil Pope on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:29 pm

Personally, I think that political parties need to go. Even George Washington warned against them. Rather than focusing on the well being of our country, it seems more important to them to key in of only a few issues they believe will gain mass support and keep their party in power. Also, I believe that they somewhat undermine the idea of the seperation of powers and checks and balances.. Sure, we've got a few branches to limit the powers of each other.. but when one party holds the majority in most of these branches, its like one faction dominating the federal government.. Or this is how I see it.. maybe i'm wrong.
And of course, while I do believe many americans are smart enough to not vote completely based on party, i'm sure many really arent. Do you think Bush is trying to leave the American people uneducated in order for the republicans to seize control in time?.. If the majority of the American public is uneducated, they'll be much easier to fool or take control of..
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Postby morph on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:31 pm

Blueoctober wrote:
morph wrote:
cmckinney wrote:
unriggable wrote:

Here's something interesting: Bush wants our economy to go up. So he cuts taxes. To the rich. But here's the thing - the rich have too much money to spend. So they end up accumalating this money. Instead of giving the money to the poor, who would spend it on something they need, the money goes to the rich, who keep it. This leads to a weaker economy.


Oh yes, the poor would so definitely use the money for better things then us snobby rich people. Yeah, i can just see them goin out and getting a private school education, or puttting it in a savings fund. No, they would just spend it on some freakin drugs or alcohol. And the rich are so evil by actually saving money?????? oh dear. They're not gonna be rich long with 30 to 40% tax rates. There will be no upper class.

So in ur opinion, us giving more money to drug additcted hobos will boost our ecoconomy. Why didnt our top analysts think of that?


my parents are about to loose our house, i am not complaining, im looking for a way to keep the house, or get another place to stay for me and my parents, my mother is trying to better herself by going to college, my father works harder then hell to support us, and im trying to find a job and cant find a single one, we are poor, and your a fucking idiot...

some people do drugs, my family does not, we are just on hard times, like a lot of people, a lot of people do drugs, a hell of a lot of people don't but they have a series of things happen to them that puts them down to nothing...

Think before you speak douche.... make sure you don't insult most people by being stupid...


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most people (i kinda shoulda said this on my post that is quoted here) i believe who go down to nothing and work their way up, are stronger then the rich... the privileged... The poor who have to fight what they want, fight for everything, but sometimes the poor become the rich, and think the poor are all bad, forgetting from where they came from... or the kids are spoiled by the parents who became rich think the poor are scum... that is sad...

I am rich in the sense that i have great friends, and a great family.... i am not rich in money... but i likely wont believe im better then anyone else... because it can only be bad if you do...
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Postby s.xkitten on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:46 pm

Blueoctober wrote: i love morph



yeah, me too...he's so good at making his points...i wuvs you morph
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Postby morph on Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:48 pm

s.xkitten wrote:
Blueoctober wrote: i love morph



yeah, me too...he's so good at making his points...i wuvs you morph


aww lol i wuvs you too, even if you do get annoyed with me lol
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Postby Lord Canti on Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:34 am

Two things have ruined America 1.Politicians
2Technology

Democrats and Republicans, both parties, in government are the most at blame. They care more about proving themselves right then acting in the best intrest of the people. Take Iraq: a war causing so much international blood shell is being used by both sides, depending on the days events, to take stabs at the other. It's a game to them. The problems are the lack of a third party and the fact that they work so little each year, about 100 hours spent in session in all. Fix these, fix the problem.


Technology has made America lazy,made us lose ambition. We don't have to work as hard as we used to survive. We expect so much as individuals, for doing so little. To fix this: we should get an education get a better lob, and stop griping at how unfair the world is.
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Postby Machiavelli on Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:00 am

Lord Canti wrote:Two things have ruined America 1.Politicians
2Technology

Democrats and Republicans, both parties, in government are the most at blame. They care more about proving themselves right then acting in the best intrest of the people. Take Iraq: a war causing so much international shell is being used by both sides, depending on the days events, to take stabs at the other. It's a game to them. The problems are the lack of a third party and the fact that they work so little each year, about 100 hours spent in session in all. Fix these, fix the problem.


Technology has made America lazy,made us lose ambition. We don't have to work as hard as we used to survive. We expect so much as individuals, for doing so little. To fix this: we should get an education get a better lob, and stop griping at how unfair the world is.


Are you lazy because of technology? I know that I am not, neither are any of my friends, family, or anyone I have met for that matter. Sure people are lazy, but I hardly think it is the fault of technology. If someone is lazy the shouldnt blame it on anyone or anything else, it's there own fault.

And how do you figure it's the democrats fault? Is it because they have had soooo much power in the past year?


And to morph, two quotes-
"War is a failure of diplomacy."
and
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"


I understand when you say you would hurt someone who hurt your friends and family, but as a country we need to think things through and try to work it out.


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Postby cowshrptrn on Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:04 am

Lord Canti wrote:Technology has made America lazy,made us lose ambition. We don't have to work as hard as we used to survive. We expect so much as individuals, for doing so little. To fix this: we should get an education get a better lob, and stop griping at how unfair the world is.


Well, technology is also taking out a lot of jobs. You could argue that all the cashiers should get training as mathematicians, but our population is growing and technology is taking out a lot of our blue collar jobs (assembly lines, self checkout counters etc.) we also only have a finite need for mathematicians, so no matter what we will have a surplus of labor so people will not have jobs because there aren't any jobs to be had. I'm not saying thats the case now, but it could very well become a reality.

cmckinney wrote:Oh yes, the poor would so definitely use the money for better things then us snobby rich people. Yeah, i can just see them goin out and getting a private school education, or puttting it in a savings fund. No, they would just spend it on some freakin drugs or alcohol. And the rich are so evil by actually saving money?????? oh dear. They're not gonna be rich long with 30 to 40% tax rates. There will be no upper class.


wow, what you just said didn't make you sound arrogant (i could use much stronger words, but there are kids reading this) at all! Do you realize that a LOT of kids can't afford to go to a private college because their parents can't pay for it and the government won't give them money. Where i live, a lot of people fall between the cracks, because their income is high compared with the rest of the nation, but the cost of living here are so high, that they can't send their kids to private school without some federal help o they end up going to a crappy public school where they aren't given th opportunities they deserve. We need to put more money into Pell grants for kids who are trying to climb up the social ladder. If the rich would pay more in taxes we could improve poorer areas, give inner city kids a better education by giving teachers more pay and more resources.

morph wrote:there was a line in a movie Men In Black

J asks K why they do not let the world know of aliens, he says that people are smart and could handle it, K turns around and says
"a person is smart, people are stupid, panicky and in general violent"

i do believe that holds quite true, America needs to think before it acts, not all one voice yell out the same thing and hope for the best, America needs to think ahead, needs to agree, but we as Americans, we are too numerous to count, to many voices, so we need to get rid of the corruption, but also we need people who will keep their words when they promise something...

and Americans, need to stop pussy footing around when it comes to retaliating.....

I seriously doubt any American was all like "no, don't do anything about 9/11, they should get away with it" but as soon as something starts to happen, as soon as we take action and some other countries call us on it and say "thats not right", well some Americans turned around and suddenly didint want anything to do with it...


no one had any moral qualms with Afghanistan, most other countries supported us going in there and ousting the Taliban regime.

As far as Iraq goes, we had no business there, OMG theres "mass genocide", compared to areas like Darfur and Sierra Leone Iraq is nothing. If we really wanted to do what was right, we'd help people who really needed help. Saddam Hussein was at least able to keep peace between two warring factions of Islam, its very likely that our little excursion into Iraq will end up with more dead than Saddam Hussein killed, not just by us killing them ,but also by the chaos we caused and the insuing civil war.

oh, another thing, the Taliban is coming back into power in Afghanistan now that we're focused on Iraq, by going to war with Iraq we've made ourselves MUCH less safe and when this whole thing is over we won't have achieved anything except the deaths of a few million Iraqis, and a few Billion dollars in the pockets of Bush's friends.

We need to emulate England, they have a bicameral system as well, by having things like question hour the prime minister meeds to be competent, and since he's chosen by Parliament he doesn't need to put on some sort of cowboy bravado that has mass appeal, or cater to religious institutions for votes. We need a general shift in our political culture before things start to get better. People need to be less myopic, and look around at the rest of the world, and see that the problem isn't the politicians or the corruption, its the people and their indifference towards what goes on in their country. They're so easily distracted by moral qualms that they ignore larger issues that actually affect them like the economy.

in short: stop blaming the government, and start watching real news with real facts and start caring about things other than gay marriage and flag burning
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Postby morph on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:11 am

cowshrptrn wrote:
Lord Canti wrote:
morph wrote:there was a line in a movie Men In Black

J asks K why they do not let the world know of aliens, he says that people are smart and could handle it, K turns around and says
"a person is smart, people are stupid, panicky and in general violent"

i do believe that holds quite true, America needs to think before it acts, not all one voice yell out the same thing and hope for the best, America needs to think ahead, needs to agree, but we as Americans, we are too numerous to count, to many voices, so we need to get rid of the corruption, but also we need people who will keep their words when they promise something...

and Americans, need to stop pussy footing around when it comes to retaliating.....

I seriously doubt any American was all like "no, don't do anything about 9/11, they should get away with it" but as soon as something starts to happen, as soon as we take action and some other countries call us on it and say "thats not right", well some Americans turned around and suddenly didint want anything to do with it...



in short: stop blaming the government, and start watching real news with real facts and start caring about things other than gay marriage and flag burning


i would watch real news with real facts, the problem is all news is owned by a company that backs on political party or the other, so they twist and turn those facts...

and i cant nor do i give two shits about gay marriage, and flag burning from what i remember was just a sign of the freedom people have, especially in America... least that is what i believe it was about...
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Postby morph on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:11 am

Machiavelli wrote:
Lord Canti wrote:
And to morph, two quotes-
"War is a failure of diplomacy."
and
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"


I understand when you say you would hurt someone who hurt your friends and family, but as a country we need to think things through and try to work it out.


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the whole war is a failure of diplomacy, how is diplomacy going to work if the people we would try to sit down with, thinks that we are infidels and that we should be bowing before them.... diplomacy only works if both sides wishs it do, Americans would like it to work, but when it comes to a group of people who believe we should be dead and arnt worth the air we breath...
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Postby Jamie on Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:31 am

We need to stay out of everbody's business. We think we're the world police or something. Look at Canada. The winters their suck, but for the most part they are a stable, secure, industrialized, technologically advanced, comfortable country to live in, and raise a family. They don't bother anyone, get noticed by anyone, no one hijacks planes and rams them into the CN tower or other Canadien landmarks. They just stay out of everbody's way, and let the other countries of the world fight the wars, and blow eachother up.
Ditto for Australia, no one bothers them either. Sydney is one of the most high tech advanced cities on the planet. If I had to live outside the US, I'd live in Sydney.
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Postby Slim_Jesta on Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:42 am

How to fix america? Send it to the vet?
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:12 am

morph wrote:Russians and the French... they opposed us.. well think about it.. we found Russian MIG jets, with French technology in them... i wonder why they opposed us?


What is this? Never heard about that. Have you got something factual or a site that has factual data that I could analyse perhaps?
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:17 am

I am not American but I will leave a comment nevertheless.

I think that America needs to focus more on its social problems, less on being the world's police. However America needs to keep a certain degree of presence abroad, it's just not handling that properly right now.

America should spend more money on the problems at home like education, closing the gap between rich and poor, social housing, etc. From an outside perspective I also feel that America needs to rediscover some of its lost values because I feel it has become too materialistic, but then again I don't live in the US and I might just be getting a distorted image of America through the media.
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Postby RenegadePaddy on Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:41 am

morph wrote:a person is smart, people are stupid, panicky and in general violent


A very true sentiment

morph wrote:It was not right for us to be attacked when we have done nothing to the people who hit us...


The point is, things have been done. Pease check up on US foreign policy and military actions (even just wheres been bombed since WWII without declaration of war for a start). I don't say this to try and get a rise, but simply because, well - you remember 9/11, it didnt hurt you personally, but you remember and want something to be done about it 6 years on - why shouldn't other people feel the same about US actions? Before you blame the ramblings of loonies like Bin Laden, remember that the KKK hasn't bombed Mecca, or hijacked planes - so what's giving this particular branch of hate-mongers an audience and recruits?

morph wrote:diplomacy only works if both sides wishs it do, Americans would like it to work, but when it comes to a group of people who believe we should be dead and arnt worth the air we breath...


Not true, the current negotiation tactics amount to "we say, you do, thats it, or here comes the USAF", or "just agree enough for my party to get some votes at the next election". Over-aggressive foreign policy is what caused a lot of external mess (and 9/11), and led to the whole messy shebang thats got a lot of people against the US now.

Its a great shame, as every country needs to both look out for itself and be part of the international cmmunity (not always an easy balance), but a few poor personel and choices have tarnished the USs reputation overseas.

Jamie wrote:We need to stay out of everbody's business. We think we're the world police or something. Look at Canada. The winters their suck, but for the most part they are a stable, secure, industrialized, technologically advanced, comfortable country to live in, and raise a family. They don't bother anyone, get noticed by anyone, no one hijacks planes and rams them into the CN tower or other Canadien landmarks. They just stay out of everbody's way, and let the other countries of the world fight the wars, and blow eachother up.
Ditto for Australia, no one bothers them either. Sydney is one of the most high tech advanced cities on the planet. If I had to live outside the US, I'd live in Sydney.


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Postby unriggable on Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:41 am

cmckinney wrote:
unriggable wrote:

Here's something interesting: Bush wants our economy to go up. So he cuts taxes. To the rich. But here's the thing - the rich have too much money to spend. So they end up accumalating this money. Instead of giving the money to the poor, who would spend it on something they need, the money goes to the rich, who keep it. This leads to a weaker economy.


Oh yes, the poor would so definitely use the money for better things then us snobby rich people. Yeah, i can just see them goin out and getting a private school education, or puttting it in a savings fund. No, they would just spend it on some freakin drugs or alcohol. And the rich are so evil by actually saving money?????? oh dear. They're not gonna be rich long with 30 to 40% tax rates. There will be no upper class.

So in ur opinion, us giving more money to drug additcted hobos will boost our ecoconomy. Why didnt our top analysts think of that?


Here come the killer:

DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS TRUE.

And if you make 300 dollars a week from a shitty job because lawmakers want to keep the min. wage low for no apparent reason, and you lose 105 due to taxes, and you spend 100+ dollars on food and water, and however much on oil for a car if you have one, doesn't leave you with much. The point is, they don't have enough for the essentials. However people like Howard Stern who in 5 minutes make over a million dollars have too much money, and instead of helping the masses he chooses to make a Hi-Def Channel on TV.

Besides, Drug dealing is good for the economy. We are not getting into why that is (why the hell is pot still illegal?).

There is no reason to look at yourself, and then look at thousands of poeple in clothes from a long time ago because they have no money for others, and then look at your money, and say "This is mine, fuckers. Get a job."
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Postby unriggable on Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:43 am

So back to fixing America. Why do we spend so little on NASA (I don't know how much, apparently we have bigger priorities) yet we are allowed to spend over a quarter trillion dollars on the military? Giving money to the Military is nothing short of designing and dispatching contraptions that eliminate lives. That is all it does.
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Postby Marvaddin on Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:38 am

Im American... South American, as you know, so I can post here.

morph wrote:granted we need to get rid of the corruption... but people are stupid, the reason why, because we get the people who are corrupt, who lie (most politicians... i know but there are some that are not..) and who steal, to get in, and that is wrong...

People are stupid in all world countries. Happily, looks like you know US people is not smarter than people from any other area. But, eliminate corruption? This is impossible. Have a low level of corruption could be the goal, but its alread very VERY difficult, once most people just think about solve their personal problems (again, in every country)

morph wrote:It was not right for us to be attacked when we have done nothing to the people who hit us... it was not right when Saddam did mass genocide... i believe what we did was right

You have done nothing? So Arabians have no reason to hate US? And Saddam is the one who did mass genocide? How do you qualify what US did in El Salvador? In fact, I dont understand how are some Americans fool enough to believe US is saving Afghanistan, or Iraq people from a genocide dictatorship... You are promoting genocide there. In fact, we have 2 measures: if Saddam or Milosevic promotes genocide, their countries are invaded, they are taken and judged, and considered guilty and them killed. If Bush promotes genocide, its ok, because who will capture him to judge him due to his war crimes, like torture in that Cuba prison?

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Immigration: I believe Illeagal immigration is a huge problem. Illeagals coming across our borders hurt our economy and overpopulate America. Unfortunatly, neither party seems in a big rush to do anuthing about it, because the Republicans want the cheap Labor, and the Dems want the votes.
Solutions: Make employing illeagal immigrants a felony
Ammend the Constitution so children born in America aren't American citizens
Threaten Tariffs and embargos on Mexican Products so they help out on their side of the borders

Hurt US economy? I know, I know... the hypocrite American politicians pray about brothership of all American people just when US need help to stop a comunist threat, or when is interesting convince other governments to give free access of US products to other countries economy. If we are brother people when interests to US, why dont allow free people circulation, too? If US lose support from other American countries, now this will hurt your economy, so be kinder to immigrants, you have hurted your home countries already too much! Anyway, you want more money to what? Make US rich richer?

About US being world police... Man, this sucks. But all US people should know: using bad ethics and false excuses to start conflicts was always an option to US governenments, and this is because you are a rich country now. Do you want a greater proof of ecomonic motived war than that Hispano American war (maybe the name is wrong... Im talking about the war against a very weak Spain that ended with Cuba independence)? Man, a ridiculous excuse to start a war, and just because you knew Spain would have no chance, to defend your own economic interests... The same with Iraq now, so US politics have changed almost nothing during 20th century, huh? US is rich because always had military strength and bad ethics enough to defend its economy.

I have heard that in US school books, Brazilian Amazon is labeled as international area! Man, this sucks! If this is true, in some years, once you have convinced the stupid people that Amazon is a humankind property, will US invade Brazil to "save" Amazon??? This makes me sick!

And I completely agree with Jamie. US shouldnt be worlds police. UN should be. But like I said, they are weak enough to allow Bush invade all countries he wants. For things like that, I say, even I hate US. Go take care of your own internal problems, and leave other countries with their genocide dictatorships, please! You are saving no one but yourselves!
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Postby Blueoctober on Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:07 pm

Marvaddin wrote:Im American... South American, as you know, so I can post here.

morph wrote:granted we need to get rid of the corruption... but people are stupid, the reason why, because we get the people who are corrupt, who lie (most politicians... i know but there are some that are not..) and who steal, to get in, and that is wrong...

People are stupid in all world countries. Happily, looks like you know US people is not smarter than people from any other area. But, eliminate corruption? This is impossible. Have a low level of corruption could be the goal, but its alread very VERY difficult, once most people just think about solve their personal problems (again, in every country)

morph wrote:It was not right for us to be attacked when we have done nothing to the people who hit us... it was not right when Saddam did mass genocide... i believe what we did was right

You have done nothing? So Arabians have no reason to hate US? And Saddam is the one who did mass genocide? How do you qualify what US did in El Salvador? In fact, I dont understand how are some Americans fool enough to believe US is saving Afghanistan, or Iraq people from a genocide dictatorship... You are promoting genocide there. In fact, we have 2 measures: if Saddam or Milosevic promotes genocide, their countries are invaded, they are taken and judged, and considered guilty and them killed. If Bush promotes genocide, its ok, because who will capture him to judge him due to his war crimes, like torture in that Cuba prison?

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Immigration: I believe Illeagal immigration is a huge problem. Illeagals coming across our borders hurt our economy and overpopulate America. Unfortunatly, neither party seems in a big rush to do anuthing about it, because the Republicans want the cheap Labor, and the Dems want the votes.
Solutions: Make employing illeagal immigrants a felony
Ammend the Constitution so children born in America aren't American citizens
Threaten Tariffs and embargos on Mexican Products so they help out on their side of the borders

Hurt US economy? I know, I know... the hypocrite American politicians pray about brothership of all American people just when US need help to stop a comunist threat, or when is interesting convince other governments to give free access of US products to other countries economy. If we are brother people when interests to US, why dont allow free people circulation, too? If US lose support from other American countries, now this will hurt your economy, so be kinder to immigrants, you have hurted your home countries already too much! Anyway, you want more money to what? Make US rich richer?

About US being world police... Man, this sucks. But all US people should know: using bad ethics and false excuses to start conflicts was always an option to US governenments, and this is because you are a rich country now. Do you want a greater proof of ecomonic motived war than that Hispano American war (maybe the name is wrong... Im talking about the war against a very weak Spain that ended with Cuba independence)? Man, a ridiculous excuse to start a war, and just because you knew Spain would have no chance, to defend your own economic interests... The same with Iraq now, so US politics have changed almost nothing during 20th century, huh? US is rich because always had military strength and bad ethics enough to defend its economy.

I have heard that in US school books, Brazilian Amazon is labeled as international area! Man, this sucks! If this is true, in some years, once you have convinced the stupid people that Amazon is a humankind property, will US invade Brazil to "save" Amazon??? This makes me sick!

And I completely agree with Jamie. US shouldnt be worlds police. UN should be. But like I said, they are weak enough to allow Bush invade all countries he wants. For things like that, I say, even I hate US. Go take care of your own internal problems, and leave other countries with their genocide dictatorships, please! You are saving no one but yourselves!


if you want the Un to be the world police then dont trash the guys who send the most troops
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Postby DIRESTRAITS on Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:19 pm

Marvaddin wrote:Im American... South American, as you know, so I can post here.

morph wrote:granted we need to get rid of the corruption... but people are stupid, the reason why, because we get the people who are corrupt, who lie (most politicians... i know but there are some that are not..) and who steal, to get in, and that is wrong...

People are stupid in all world countries. Happily, looks like you know US people is not smarter than people from any other area. But, eliminate corruption? This is impossible. Have a low level of corruption could be the goal, but its alread very VERY difficult, once most people just think about solve their personal problems (again, in every country)

morph wrote:It was not right for us to be attacked when we have done nothing to the people who hit us... it was not right when Saddam did mass genocide... i believe what we did was right

You have done nothing? So Arabians have no reason to hate US? And Saddam is the one who did mass genocide? How do you qualify what US did in El Salvador? In fact, I dont understand how are some Americans fool enough to believe US is saving Afghanistan, or Iraq people from a genocide dictatorship... You are promoting genocide there. In fact, we have 2 measures: if Saddam or Milosevic promotes genocide, their countries are invaded, they are taken and judged, and considered guilty and them killed. If Bush promotes genocide, its ok, because who will capture him to judge him due to his war crimes, like torture in that Cuba prison?

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Immigration: I believe Illeagal immigration is a huge problem. Illeagals coming across our borders hurt our economy and overpopulate America. Unfortunatly, neither party seems in a big rush to do anuthing about it, because the Republicans want the cheap Labor, and the Dems want the votes.
Solutions: Make employing illeagal immigrants a felony
Ammend the Constitution so children born in America aren't American citizens
Threaten Tariffs and embargos on Mexican Products so they help out on their side of the borders

Hurt US economy? I know, I know... the hypocrite American politicians pray about brothership of all American people just when US need help to stop a comunist threat, or when is interesting convince other governments to give free access of US products to other countries economy. If we are brother people when interests to US, why dont allow free people circulation, too? If US lose support from other American countries, now this will hurt your economy, so be kinder to immigrants, you have hurted your home countries already too much! Anyway, you want more money to what? Make US rich richer?

About US being world police... Man, this sucks. But all US people should know: using bad ethics and false excuses to start conflicts was always an option to US governenments, and this is because you are a rich country now. Do you want a greater proof of ecomonic motived war than that Hispano American war (maybe the name is wrong... Im talking about the war against a very weak Spain that ended with Cuba independence)? Man, a ridiculous excuse to start a war, and just because you knew Spain would have no chance, to defend your own economic interests... The same with Iraq now, so US politics have changed almost nothing during 20th century, huh? US is rich because always had military strength and bad ethics enough to defend its economy.

I have heard that in US school books, Brazilian Amazon is labeled as international area! Man, this sucks! If this is true, in some years, once you have convinced the stupid people that Amazon is a humankind property, will US invade Brazil to "save" Amazon??? This makes me sick!

And I completely agree with Jamie. US shouldnt be worlds police. UN should be. But like I said, they are weak enough to allow Bush invade all countries he wants. For things like that, I say, even I hate US. Go take care of your own internal problems, and leave other countries with their genocide dictatorships, please! You are saving no one but yourselves!


The UN is a joke. It is corrupt and run by third world ditators. Not to mention anytime they do anything almost all of the troops are American, so America would still be the World Police.

As for illegal immigration, if we have "Free people circulation" America would become so overcrowded it would be ridiculous. Also, in case you haven't noticed, most of our drugs come in illegally as well, fuelling drug problems, like the Meth problem in Oregon.
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