Feudal Epic, L&S, Pg. 49 [D, Gp, Gr]

[porkenbeans]

porker, if I were gimil, and this is just me, I'd be pissed that someone was taking my image, altering it, and than telling me he thought it was better than mine. He has said he likes the graphics as they are - they're fine.

And gimil/yeti_c, I hope this doesn't miss getting Beta'd 'cause you disappeared and didn't write xml. Where you two at?

That is because you have an EGO hangup Kataro. That plus the fact that you have a propensity for being contrary, and love to argue more than anyone at CC. I have already took his image and altered it more than once. Some of the ideas he liked, and incorporated them. Others he did not care for, but he has never been insecure and childish enough to get "pissed" off about it. Maybe if you had any artistic or graphic talent, you yourself, would show some illustrations, for your never ending suggestions. So put up or shut up Kataro.

[Kotaro]

Since you like to flame more then you like to read,

Updated those borders in realm of might for sully but I am not going to mess with the colouring anymore. It has been played around with enought I feel.

And do you take everything you hear on a forum board personally, and feel the need to flame in return? If you can't have an argument without resorting to being a bitch, you should exit. I wasn't attacking you or your pretty little college level artwork, I was merely stating that his map is plenty fine, as supported by MrBenn, and he himself has stated he won't be messing with it anymore. So porker, deal and shut up.

And if you want some of my illustrations...

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/C ... s/?start=0

get some.

[porkenbeans]

@ Kataro,
My posts in this thread ARE on topic, I am only doing what I do. Illustrating my suggestions instead of just tossing around endless streams of criticisms. No one is harmed by this, and it only allows the mapmaker to see with his eyes, the suggestion that I am proposing. This is a plus for him, because if he had to try out every suggestion that is made in this thread, he would need to spend a whole lot of extra time. This way, as my suggestions are supplied with sample illustrations, he can see right away what I am getting at, and can quickly and easily decide for himself if the suggestion warrants any consideration.
The foundry guidelines clearly state that a mapmaker must be open to suggestions, and not take them as some kind of insult or attack, but as a constructive part of the process of getting a map quenched. If a suggestion does not float his boat, All that is required is a brief reason as to why it is not acceptable.
I know that gmil has already said that he is happy with the graphics as they are. But no one is being harmed, if I try one more time to show him, what I believe can be an improvement. All he has to do is accept the suggestion or not. It is no big deal, accept to you Kataro.
The fact that more than One of my suggestions has helped to steer this map to what it is today, I think that gimil will afford me my voice here. If I fail to convince him, Oh well, no harm no foul. But, if my suggestion is accepted, then it will be just another example of why the foundry process works well.

[Kotaro]

I never claimed your posts with the images involved were off-topic. However, your response to my post was purely trolling me and flaming, and so is your purposely misspelling my name, as seems to be a trolling trend on this site (I'm also known as "Kotex", "Kotaroy", and "Koakfd" <-drunk person).

The Found guidelines state that they must be open to suggestions, not open to people taking their images that they have a unique copyright to and altering as you wish.

And yes, despite your trolling ways, you do bring up 1 good point - I do not like it when people take images I make and alter them with no permission from me. I created it - I own it. I do plenty of work elsewhere, on forums where I know people are respectable to me and my art, and will ask before making any versions/alterations to it. I see it as a sign of respect to each artists, hence why I have never posted a project here, despite some good suggestions for maps being thrown at me (And besides, who the eff wants another Circular map).

Oh, and...

All he has to do is accept the suggestion or not. It is no big deal, accept to you Kataro.

Except. Grammar nazi has spoken. And if I'm the only one making a big deal out of it, why are you the one trying to start a flame fest?

[porkenbeans]

I never claimed your posts with the images involved were off-topic. However, your response to my post was purely trolling me and flaming, and so is your purposely misspelling my name, as seems to be a trolling trend on this site (I'm also known as "Kotex", "Kotaroy", and "Koakfd" <-drunk person).

The Found guidelines state that they must be open to suggestions, not open to people taking their images that they have a unique copyright to and altering as you wish.

And yes, despite your trolling ways, you do bring up 1 good point - I do not like it when people take images I make and alter them with no permission from me. I created it - I own it. I do plenty of work elsewhere, on forums where I know people are respectable to me and my art, and will ask before making any versions/alterations to it. I see it as a sign of respect to each artists, hence why I have never posted a project here, despite some good suggestions for maps being thrown at me (And besides, who the eff wants another Circular map).

Oh, and...

All he has to do is accept the suggestion or not. It is no big deal, accept to you Kataro.

Except. Grammar nazi has spoken. And if I'm the only one making a big deal out of it, why are you the one trying to start a flame fest?

Sorry for the misspelling. Also, sorry if you feel trolled or flamed. I assure you that I am not trolling for an argument with you. My reasons for being here are purely for the advancement of this map. I do NOT appreciate you trying to censer what I say or do. It is NOT your job. And for the record, I have already been informed that my illustrated suggestions are cool, and are in fact, a better way to make a suggestion if you can. Making a map at CC, and going through the Foundry process is all about teamwork. Otherwise there would just be some kind of juridic panel, that would accept or deny all entries. There would be no first drafts. All entries would be completed works right off the bat.
The Foundry process here at CC, does NOT allow for childish insecurities about ones artwork. If having your work dissected and criticized in every way possible, is too upsetting for you, I am afraid that CC map making is Not for you. And, it is NOT good form for you to promote a contrary attitude in this respect to other map makers. It is NOT very constructive, if you follow my reasoning.

[Kotaro]

It's funny how I can discredit your posts with.. your own posts!

Also, sorry if you feel trolled or flamed. I assure you that I am not trolling for an argument with you.

That is because you have an EGO hangup Kataro. That plus the fact that you have a propensity for being contrary, and love to argue more than anyone at CC.

Others he did not care for, but he has never been insecure and childish enough to get "pissed" off about it.

Maybe if you had any artistic or graphic talent, you yourself, would show some illustrations, for your never ending suggestions.

So put up or shut up Kataro.

Good game.

I do NOT appreciate you trying to censer what I say or do. It is NOT your job.

Censor <_< And does that mean, if you saw someone calling someone else a (insert inappropriate word for black people) here, you would let it go, because it's not YOUR job to report it? Or would you say "hmm, that doesn't seem right, I might call them out on that". A good ethical question, but one I can easily guess where you stand on.

Childish insecurities? Was it childish insecurity of Hasbro to make a game and not want it plagiarized on this site? Would it be childish insecurity if I were to take CC's Logos, maps, general guidelines, adapt them a little to fit my uses, and create my own site? Or would that be something called "Copyright" that they have on the images, and it's not ethical (or in that case, legal) for me to access their images and use them wherever I want?

And, it is NOT good form for you to promote a contrary attitude in this respect to other map makers.

Didn't realize I had to completely submit to what you do, when you do it, and accept that. Sorry Mr. Hitler, I thought for a 2nd this was a place to be contrary to oneanother, not a place to conform to what you want. My bad.

If having your work dissected and criticized in every way possible,

Perhaps you could show me where you took it apart and questioned it, instead of taking it, adding what you wanted, taking what you didn't out, and then continually posting until you get your way, even after the mapmaker said he has made his final decision.

[Kotaro]

Oh, and I refuse to get Epic locked, so I'll just ignore your condescending posts from now on.

[danfrank]

Oh, and I refuse to get Epic locked, so I'll just ignore your condescending posts from now on.

Amazing you start the flame and the troll and then you cry when it is flipped on you . We are all anxious to see this map get BETA`d . But that is no reason to attack pork and beans ( ) i personally like his last color alteration whether it is used or not is another story. Plus he also brings up a valid point , that its better to show a change then try to explain it. So komondor sit and be a good puppy

[Kotaro]

Learn to read danfail, it doesn't become of you to look ignorant.

I made a comment, porker made it personal.

[porkenbeans]

Learn to read danfail, it doesn't become of you to look ignorant.

I made a comment, porker made it personal.

Please try to stay on topic. If you have something to contribute to the progression of this map, ...type away.
If not, ...no one here is interested.

[Kotaro]

Okay, sure, here goes.

No one is interested in Feudal Epic looking like someone took a giant piss on the grass, so stop suggesting it. The graphics are done. Finished. Game over. Continuing to post arguing about something that has been accepted is just trolling.

[porkenbeans]

Okay, sure, here goes.

No one is interested in Feudal Epic looking like someone took a giant piss on the grass, so stop suggesting it. The graphics are done. Finished. Game over. Continuing to post arguing about something that has been accepted is just trolling.

There you go again trying to censer. Suggestions that are made by others, Do not need to go through you Kotaro. Also, you do NOT speak for anyone here, but yourself. So please stop trying to, unless you have taken a poll on the subject. If there were a poll however, I would bet a years membership that you would be on the side of the minority. By the way Kotaro, can you name one suggestion of yours that gimil has adopted on this map ?

[phantomzero]

What happened to the size of the large map? It's become smaller and smaller. The difference between the small and large map is now just ~30px.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my mind around the map if i just look at the latest version.

For me at least the size of 709px × 744px, as in version 17, feels like an absolute minimum. I guess this is dependant on the size of your screen and resolution - but if you don't need the map to be that size, you can probably use the small map just as well, right?

I also find the minimap to be somewhat indistinct and unclear. Not as big of a problem, but still.

Got to go along with Grand, The large version should be larger in contrast to the small. Otherwise, why bother even making two versions. You can go as high as 840 X 800, so why not take advantage of this, and give us the largest allowed ?

Also I was noticing what was said about the inset. Yes this observation is dead on. It got me to thinking that on this map, this inset is redundant. It has no information that is not already on the map. The color coded numbers do the job pretty well to distinguish the kingdoms. I say loose it altogether.

OK, so I farted around with the settings one more time. I stated before that the map seemed "dark". I think that maybe it was not too dark, but had a foggy haze that made it seem too dark. Here is a version that is still as dark, but with more contrasting tones that eliminates the muddiness that it has, and makes it more crisp and easier to read.

Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

While I know it's getting quite late for graphics changes, I do like the fact that the territory numbers are easier to read on porkenbeans latest version. I guess we'll have to wait to see what Gimil says about it all...

[The Neon Peon]

Honestly the map looks fine and all this graphics stuff right now is about personal preference.

Personally, I like porkenbeans' version more but I am opposed to it being on the map. Firstly, it does not fit in the style of the original feudal. Secondly, that will only delay the wait before this map gets in beta. And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

So keep the map as it is, and let's just get the xml done.

[porkenbeans]

Honestly the map looks fine and all this graphics stuff right now is about personal preference.

Personally, I like porkenbeans' version more but I am opposed to it being on the map. Firstly, it does not fit in the style of the original feudal. Secondly, that will only delay the wait before this map gets in beta. And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

So keep the map as it is, and let's just get the xml done.

I do not see how this small change can delay anything. Nothing is graphically changed on the map. Only contrast, hue, brightness, and saturation levels, have been adjusted. It is not unlike adjusting the fine tuning on your television to get the optimum clarity. I honestly believe that this final adjustment does indeed give the optimum clarity. Look closely at the borders, numbers, and text. Everything is much more clear.
Also, this is NOT Feudal I. ...It is in fact much better.

[angola]

I just want the map sent to beta, personally.

[gimil]

This thread has got lame.

And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

QFT. That is pretty much my stance on this.

[Kotaro]

The final decision is ALL on you gimil. Me and praker could argue forever, but if you simply moved your ass and did something, we'd have to fall in line.

So do something.

[gimil]

The final decision is ALL on you gimil. Me and praker could argue forever, but if you simply moved your ass and did something, we'd have to fall in line.

So do something.

I don't think it is me we are waiting on.

[Kotaro]

I don't mean to move on in the process; the entire flame-fest is based on whether or not you want to change the graphics. parka believes, despite your post about not messing with the graphics anymore, that you want to change the graphics more based on what he wants to see.

[gimil]

And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

QFT. That is pretty much my stance on this.

This is my final say. I don't want to do much more of porker suggestions or it will become more his map than mine graphically.

[porkenbeans]

And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

QFT. That is pretty much my stance on this.

This is my final say. I don't want to do much more of porker suggestions or it will become more his map than mine graphically.

gimil, it is NOT my map. I am just happy to be a contributor of YOUR super map. My last suggestion is NOT for MY preference about color. It is all about clarity and fine tuning. If you do not agree that it is in fact more clear, then just be happy with what you have. BUT, don't let the antagonist Kotaro bait you into being defensive, and perceiving my suggestions as being anything but a continued effort on my part to help. I am glad that you have decided to use some of my ideas on this project, and I have zero illusions on who's map this is, or who has the final word.

[gimil]

And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

QFT. That is pretty much my stance on this.

This is my final say. I don't want to do much more of porker suggestions or it will become more his map than mine graphically.

gimil, it is NOT my map. I am just happy to be a contributor of YOUR super map. My last suggestion is NOT for MY preference about color. It is all about clarity and fine tuning. If you do not agree that it is in fact more clear, then just be happy with what you have. BUT, don't let the antagonist Kotaro bait you into being defensive, and perceiving my suggestions as being anything but a continued effort on my part to help. I am glad that you have decided to use some of my ideas on this project, and I have zero illusions on who's map this is, or who has the final word.

No disrespect ment porker. I have been overlay busy the last few weeks/months. But the first time I have had a free moment I find BOTH you and kot bitching and moaning at each other. This has mad me feel like my thread and hard work has had a much more negative than positive effect on this community. Purly because you have reduced your personal opinions into flame fests.

I have made my final opinion clear. Lets tak it from there.

[porkenbeans]

And finally, we will argue forever about the right color of green the grass should be and never reach a conclusion.

QFT. That is pretty much my stance on this.

This is my final say. I don't want to do much more of porker suggestions or it will become more his map than mine graphically.

gimil, it is NOT my map. I am just happy to be a contributor of YOUR super map. My last suggestion is NOT for MY preference about color. It is all about clarity and fine tuning. If you do not agree that it is in fact more clear, then just be happy with what you have. BUT, don't let the antagonist Kotaro bait you into being defensive, and perceiving my suggestions as being anything but a continued effort on my part to help. I am glad that you have decided to use some of my ideas on this project, and I have zero illusions on who's map this is, or who has the final word.

No disrespect ment porker. I have been overlay busy the last few weeks/months. But the first time I have had a free moment I find BOTH you and kot bitching and moaning at each other. This has mad me feel like my thread and hard work has had a much more negative than positive effect on this community. Purly because you have reduced your personal opinions into flame fests.

I have made my final opinion clear. Lets tak it from there.

gimil, please read the entire conversation. I have not flamed or said anything that was inappropriate. If you know Kotaro and his reputation, you know very well that he is the king of discourse. All you need do is search his post archive. It is full of thread after thread, of doing everything he can to argue, or prompt others to argue. He lives on this stuff. How he has not been banned from the forums, is a mystery to me. I did not at all act belligerent as I posted my suggestions. The evidence is in black and white. Kotaro was the one who came in with the belligerent and condescending attitude. If my response to him was not very friendly, well that is exactly how he always starts these things. as soon as someone responds to his attacks, they themselves are accused of flaming. This whole thing is silly if you ask me. It reminds me of grammar school. But I will apologize to you for my part in this. I hope that you realize that I am NOT here for the purpose of arguing or fighting, ...as Kotaro is.

[Kotaro]

You know what, nevermind. You're right, I don't get warnings ; cause I know when to shut up and just click the report button

gg