Charleston, SC [Quenched]

by **RjBeals** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:39 pm

TaCktiX wrote:Not Charleston iron. It needs to be much closer to black to seem like ironwork you'd find on something South of Broad (the ultra-ritzy, ultra-expensive, ultra-historic section of downtown, for the unknowing).

I tried a darker "iron" color, but it just doesn't look good with the softness of the map. I went with the gray instead.

by **gimil** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:05 pm

The map definetly needs the waves on it. But it needs to be something s little more subtle and flowing.

by **RjBeals** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:06 pm

gimil wrote:The map definetly needs the waves on it. But it needs to be something s little more subtle and flowing.

Flowing?

Hmm..

by **edbeard** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:11 pm

are you just waiting to make any gamplay changes as it doesn't look like you did anything about the gameplay talk there was quite a few pages ago.(I think I made a large post about this) or are you just doing the colours/graphics?

I liked the original pastel more btw and had no problem with it. These colours seem out of place and forced for some reason. I don't like these army circles either.

by **RjBeals** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:16 pm

edbeard wrote:Bonus-wise I think more discussion needs to take place.

West Ashley is not worth the same as East Ashley. If S. St. James is only worth 2 then Ashely is probably 2 as well. Furthermore, is Folly Beach really worth 3?

Lets look at some things.

WA - 2 border, 2 attacking, 2 continents
SSJ - 2 border, 4 attacking, 3 continents
FB - 2 border, 4 attacking, 4 continents
EC - 2 border, 3 attacking, 2 continents

I'd say WA and EC are 2 and SSJ and FB are 3.

f*ck it. Lets put together the whole list. Obviously strength of neighbors and size of continents should be considered but these are just starting points.

WA - 2 border, 2 attacking, 2 continents
EA - 3 border, 4 attacking 2 continents
SJI - 3 border, 3 attacking, 3 continents
NSJ - 4 border, 4 attacking, 4 continents
SSJ - 2 border, 4 attacking, 3 continents
FB - 2 border, 4 attacking, 4 continents
NC - 2 border, 2 attacking, 2 continents
HD - 3 border, 6 attacking, 6 continents
MP - 4 border, 4 attacking, 4 continents
EC - 2 border, 3 attacking, 2 continents
IP - 2 border, 3 attacking, 3 continents

I say we ignore size except for the extreme cases. In my opinion only SJI, HD, and possibly NC should be considered 'large' getting maybe an extra bonus from their size.

Just looking at the numbers (without looking back at the map) or the size, I'd say bonuses should be...

2 - WA, NC, EC
3 - EA, SJI, SSJ, FB
4 - NSJ, MP
5 - HD

IP i'm not sure. 3 seems too much and 2 too little. Possibly a gameplay change could solidify this one.

Including the 'size' bonus I talked about we are left with...

2 - WA, EC
3- EA, NC, SSJ, FB
4 - NSJ, MP, SJI
6 - HD

That's mostly what you had I think except probably the changes I had suggested above. So maybe convince me about Isle of Palms being worth 2 or 3, or make it more evident with a gameplay change.

I'm sorry ed. I remembered reading this, but then it got buried and I forgot to address some of this. I did make South James worth only 2 instead of 3, but we can have more discussion around gameplay from this point. I've been focused more on graphics for the past week or 2. I'll have to take some time and read through this post, but I'll see what I can make of it.

As far as the pastel colors. At one point I liked them also, but now I'm kind of liking these darker colors a bit more. The pastels were almost too light.

(edit)
gameplay is my weak area (hence my rank) so this is where I do appreciate the feedback. It seems like I did remember after changing S.James to a +2, instead of +3, that all was well. But as I said, more discussions can take place.

PASTEL

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CURRENT

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by **RjBeals** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:21 pm

edbeard wrote: I don't like these army circles either.

Do you mean the bevel on the circles? I could take it off and make them plain. Anyone else?

by **edbeard** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:25 pm

I think it's the shape. They just look odd. But, that's just a personal thing and isn't something I'd expect you to be like 'oh he said he didn't like them so I have to change it'

by **TaCktiX** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:23 pm

Are West Morris and Drum Island ever going to stop being isolated from their own continent? I like the additions you made to the other bits of the map to better incorporate all the territories, but it seems those two were missed in the love. West Morris can be connected to Long Island, and Drum Island to East Bay Street.

by **RjBeals** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:30 pm

Why? What's the point to doing that?

by **hulmey** on Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:24 am

nice map RJ

by **gimil** on Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:07 am

Perosnally I still prefer the newer colours. I hope you stick with these. Would you maybe consider extending the lengh of the legends a little? To the right is a big chunch of water which seems to draw my eyes towards.

by **Optimus Prime** on Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:37 am

TaCktiX wrote:Are West Morris and Drum Island ever going to stop being isolated from their own continent? I like the additions you made to the other bits of the map to better incorporate all the territories, but it seems those two were missed in the love. West Morris can be connected to Long Island, and Drum Island to East Bay Street.

Nah, don't do this. I like the feel of the map when it has some of these free-standing islands out there. If everything is connected I just don't feel that it will have as "neat" of a feel.

As for the army circles, I like them with the bevel. Doesn't seem as flat as the ones on a lot of other maps. I could go either way with them though.

The latest version of the map looks really good to me.

by **MrBenn** on Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:50 pm

I like the style you've used for the army circles.

I also think the territories are fine - no need to get rid of the bottlenecks for the sake of it... they add to the way the map will play, and help justify the many small regional bonus areas.

The colour scheme you've got going on now is just fine - I prefer it to the oringinal pastel shades -definately!

Did you make the sea slightly bluer? I can't remember if I've got the current map or the pastel one ion my head

by **RjBeals** on Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:03 pm

yeah I made the sea slightly bluer.
If you wanna see all the previous versions, just go to this directory and go back a few maps.

http://www.rjbeals.com/charleston

Like look how different the original map was !!

by **MrBenn** on Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:24 pm

Cheers RJ. I was just being lazy :oops:

by **IslandTiger** on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:47 pm

This map is awesome. I live on Sullivans Island and can not wait to see this.

by **RjBeals** on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:49 pm

IslandTiger wrote:This map is awesome. I live on Sullivans Island and can not wait to see this.

Cool - a native. I'm in Spartanburg, but have many friends who live in Charleston. My Clemson Crew ! We vacation on IOP each year. If you can think of anything to improve the map, let me know. Keep checking for updates !

by **RjBeals** on Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:04 pm

Graphical Update:
Mainly the water & overall saturation of the map. Thoughts? I prefer the darker color ocean, as to me if fits better with the dark pastel theme of the map. I am discussing the bonus structure with some users privately, but will soon bring the discussion to this thread. Also adjusted some borders & some little tweeks. O yeah, changed the army circles also, took the bevel off them.