Conquer Club

Accused:

Constantinople
The Fire Knight




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis or more likely Conducting Secret Diplomacy and possibly point dumping

There is a combination of things going on in these games.. In the above game, constantinople never once attacked anything but a neutral, and lost every game, albeit only 3 to fire knight.

Also, in the multi player games theyve played, one of the two have won every game but one out of five or so.

They are most definitely friends, which of course is fine, but when I joined a game that constantinople was supposed to join, red attacked me and only me in an assassin game, and since he was my target, it was fairly clear what was going to happen.

Ill get some more games, and certainly it may turn out to be just friends playing, but it seems when they play together, they are definitely helping each other out, and in at least one game, constantinople, dumped his points in a game. Whether it is because he thought he was losing anyways, is impossible to tell, but the combination of these games is at least worth looking at.


Game number(s):
Game 5384695 throwing game
Game 5384860 possibly thrown, though impossible to be sure
Game 5386322 possibly thrown, though impossible to be sure

Game 5508825 completely throwing game, from first turn. green is his target, but he has essentially only attacked me

In the following, one of them wins every game, and all of them involve some pretty obvious truce making aimed at stealing the game from the other players. I dont see any reason why more players have to be cheated out of games at this point. They are all 4 player games. Even if this is not blocked, I had to post it, so it is put on record. I doubt anyone seeing this will be very comfortable jumping into a game with these two.

Game 5425100
Game 5434087
Game 5447316
Game 5478038

I am not a cheater. You are a nosy jerk who thinks it's your duty to stick your face into anything and everything.

My defense

If you had pushed your puny little brain a bit farther, and looked at the rest of my games, you would have seen that every time there's a one army and i have at least two advancing, i attack. I do this to get more countries and earn more troops, not to give the game to others. Also, (another mental stretch for this idiot, no doubt), this is my first assasin game, so i haven't yet mastered the strategy of it. I didn't know that he knew my target wasn't him. I hadn't quite put that together yet, although it makes sense now. This accusation is untrue, unfair, nonsense, and a discredit to cc that this person is even a member of this site. I have a right to be angry, and i have the right to remain a member of this site. As to the stuff between me and Constantinople. I am a better player. That is why i win. Not b/c of point dumping. I have won every time except for the time they and einyel attacked me continuosly and einyel and i had a disagreement which led to bickering which led to the downfall of us both. Please consider the facts, not the hideous assumptions of what's his face. And, as a personal request, please disband what's his face from cc. I also did some digging. And another example of this guy jumping to conclusions about something perfectly innocent is the forum directly above this one. Thank you for reading and considering.

The Fire Knight

Also, i have to add. If you have anymore stupid reasons, or stuff that i haven't reasoned against as to why i'm a cheater, please post them so that all of cc can see just how maniacle you are, and so that i can viciously put them down with my brilliance. Thanks again for macking me waste my time defending myself. If anyone else doesn't want to be wrongly accused, put this person on your foes list, so that you never have to go through what i'm going through. Thanks again for reading.

The Fire Knight

as I mentioned in the game... flaming and personal attacks are also against the rules... dont go too far with them.

As far as this accusation... you or your friend win every game. even the other guy in our game felt cheated, but was trusting enough to join again with you guys.

As far as the other thread you are discussing... I made no accusation there. someone else did. If you read it, youll see I more explain the possibilites of the situation. In that case, it was tough to say what happened.

In this one, any that have played the game for very long will know right away. This thread is for them, so they dont accidentally stumble into your game, which so far has always left you or your friend the winner.

As far as you being the better player, Im sure you are, but that still doesnt explain him smashing every army he had into neutrals on every turn. I mean, clearly he isnt as experienced as you, but Ill still be willing to bet, he is better than that.


And im not being "maniacle" here. I simply suspected some cheating and posted it. Many work hard to keep this kind of cheating to a minimum. If you didnt completely throw a game against me, I never would have suspected a thing. But now im glad you did. It allowed me to show your games, and it turns out that the other victim will get some of his stolen points back. Win-win for me really. Losing points isnt really my concern right now. I know where to find more.

i suppose working to keep cheating to a minimum is ok. But the innocent are annoyed with you.And i apologize for personally attacking you, but i was furious. The only thing in your last post that i can argue with is your repeated statement that from the begining of the gamei was trying to kill you. I always attack ones. I believe it's the key to victory. You can check all of my games if you'd like. if einyel had gone first and done the same thing, i would have done the saeme thing as well. As to after that, I was so mad that i couldn't think about winning. Only about making sure you didn't win.

The Fire Knight wrote:i suppose working to keep cheating to a minimum is ok. But the innocent are annoyed with you.And i apologize for personally attacking you, but i was furious. The only thing in your last post that i can argue with is your repeated statement that from the begining of the gamei was trying to kill you. I always attack ones. I believe it's the key to victory. You can check all of my games if you'd like. if einyel had gone first and done the same thing, i would have done the saeme thing as well. As to after that, I was so mad that i couldn't think about winning. Only about making sure you didn't win.

On assassin, I assure you, not attacking your actual target, is not the key to victory.

As far as the innocent, perhaps some are annoyed, but the majority are always thankful when cheaters are exposed, because they simply ruin the game.

The Fire Knight wrote:Also, (another mental stretch for this idiot, no doubt), this is my first assasin game, so i haven't yet mastered the strategy of it. I didn't know that he knew my target wasn't him. I hadn't quite put that together yet, although it makes sense now.

So, you admit to constantly attacking the person which wasn't your target, thereby giving the game away? You simply didn't realise AAFitz here would know you didn't have him?

Mad Pineapples wrote:

The Fire Knight wrote:Also, (another mental stretch for this idiot, no doubt), this is my first assasin game, so i haven't yet mastered the strategy of it. I didn't know that he knew my target wasn't him. I hadn't quite put that together yet, although it makes sense now.

So, you admit to constantly attacking the person which wasn't your target, thereby giving the game away? You simply didn't realise AAFitz here would know you didn't have him?

I think that's the lamest excuse ever for throwing an assassin game, especially since that was a 3 player assassin game.

Jace22 wrote:

Mad Pineapples wrote:

The Fire Knight wrote:Also, (another mental stretch for this idiot, no doubt), this is my first assasin game, so i haven't yet mastered the strategy of it. I didn't know that he knew my target wasn't him. I hadn't quite put that together yet, although it makes sense now.

So, you admit to constantly attacking the person which wasn't your target, thereby giving the game away? You simply didn't realise AAFitz here would know you didn't have him?

I think that's the lamest excuse ever for throwing an assassin game, especially since that was a 3 player assassin game.

Well to be honest, I was far less concerned with him assassinating me, instead of his target in that game... It was really the fact that he and his friend were just stealing games together that made me post.

Granted, the excuse in one of the games where it looks like the one point dumped, was that he was so bad and stupid..his words not mine...that he thought only killing neutrals was a good way to win his 1v1 game...

Perhaps some will choose to believe it....I suspect most wont believe much from them at this point.

AAFitz wrote:

Jace22 wrote:

Mad Pineapples wrote:

The Fire Knight wrote:Also, (another mental stretch for this idiot, no doubt), this is my first assasin game, so i haven't yet mastered the strategy of it. I didn't know that he knew my target wasn't him. I hadn't quite put that together yet, although it makes sense now.

So, you admit to constantly attacking the person which wasn't your target, thereby giving the game away? You simply didn't realise AAFitz here would know you didn't have him?

I think that's the lamest excuse ever for throwing an assassin game, especially since that was a 3 player assassin game.

Well to be honest, I was far less concerned with him assassinating me, instead of his target in that game... It was really the fact that he and his friend were just stealing games together that made me post.

Granted, the excuse in one of the games where it looks like the one point dumped, was that he was so bad and stupid..his words not mine...that he thought only killing neutrals was a good way to win his 1v1 game...

Perhaps some will choose to believe it....I suspect most wont believe much from them at this point.

I know, but that was his defense for that one game and a poor excuse at that

You have 2 major points in your case against me.

1. My "unfair" play in the assasination game

I don't know about you, but towards the end of the game when everyone else earns 3 troops, and i earn like 20, i control the game completely. My approach to this game was to win like always, except to keep you alive at the end and kill einyel. I only wanted to weaken you so that you wouldn't bother me. I know that you think i'm a liar. I say that i didn't know that you knew that you couldn't be my target. That's true. But even if i did know who was assasinating who, it's obvious, that the stronger you are, the weaker i am. So i weakened you and strengthened me. I took 3 countries. 3. and then you get all offended and take it personally and act like (sorry for the "personal attack") a jerk and bad sport in my opinion, b/c you have some hairbrained idea that i'm not playing fair. You acted like you were dead b/c i only was attacking you. You're right, i was. The first turn was b/c it's my strategy to always attack if it's 2 on 1. After, that, if you remember, you killed 9 of my countries, and put 12 troops in rome. So for the next 2 or so turns, i was attacking you b/c you owned most of the board, and had all of your guys where i was settling. After that, it became quit clear to me how twisted your thought process was, and how crazy you were being at speculating how i was a cheater. So i attacked you b/c i was furious at you and wanted you to loose no matter the cost. The first turn i believe is for attacking the weak places, picking and trying to settle somewhere, and fortifying to your advantage. I did all of that. The others are for winning, which in this case meant killing einyel. I never got to the second turn, though. You killed me. So it is unfair to say that i only attacked you, b/c you were in italy, and i wanted to settle their to get a bonus, and kill einyel.

2. My seemingly always allying with constantinople, and winning (except twice)

I have played 4 4 player games with them. I'll explain each individually.

Eastern Hemisphere- i allied against constantinople, and obliterated them. It's not easy to figure out how i won. One player only did half of their turns, another i killed in the beginning, and constantinople appears to be just stupid.

Europe- i made a truce with constantinople this time. They were stupid to accept. I almost won b/c of that. I didn't. So when i had another chance, i tried again b/c i thought they might fall for the same thing twice. They did, and i won.

Berlin- I again thought that i might could pull it off again. But this time they betrayed me, and i lost.

Europe- I was squished between einyel and constantinople. I tried to make a truce, but einyel argued against it, and cons took their truce instead. This is not the normal psychology of a multi-account or two friends. I was forced to accept an unfair truce, b/c einyel also did one, and cons wouldn't do anything better. While me and einyel were arguing violently over what a truce means constantinople destroyed us both.


Lastly, i can't believe that you call yourself an american. Innocent before proven guilty. You have only speculation. No proof. And my arguments make sense. And i prefer questions more than to snide comments that ignore all reason and facts as to how i'm a cheater and liar. So if you have any questions, please ask them so that i can clear up this mess.

The Fire Knight wrote:You have 2 major points in your case against me.

1. My "unfair" play in the assasination game

I don't know about you, but towards the end of the game when everyone else earns 3 troops, and i earn like 20, i control the game completely. My approach to this game was to win like always, except to keep you alive at the end and kill einyel. I only wanted to weaken you so that you wouldn't bother me. I know that you think i'm a liar. I say that i didn't know that you knew that you couldn't be my target. That's true. But even if i did know who was assasinating who, it's obvious, that the stronger you are, the weaker i am. So i weakened you and strengthened me. I took 3 countries. 3. and then you get all offended and take it personally and act like (sorry for the "personal attack") a jerk and bad sport in my opinion, b/c you have some hairbrained idea that i'm not playing fair. You acted like you were dead b/c i only was attacking you. You're right, i was. The first turn was b/c it's my strategy to always attack if it's 2 on 1. After, that, if you remember, you killed 9 of my countries, and put 12 troops in rome. So for the next 2 or so turns, i was attacking you b/c you owned most of the board, and had all of your guys where i was settling. After that, it became quit clear to me how twisted your thought process was, and how crazy you were being at speculating how i was a cheater. So i attacked you b/c i was furious at you and wanted you to loose no matter the cost. The first turn i believe is for attacking the weak places, picking and trying to settle somewhere, and fortifying to your advantage. I did all of that. The others are for winning, which in this case meant killing einyel. I never got to the second turn, though. You killed me. So it is unfair to say that i only attacked you, b/c you were in italy, and i wanted to settle their to get a bonus, and kill einyel.

2. My seemingly always allying with constantinople, and winning (except twice)

I have played 4 4 player games with them. I'll explain each individually.

Eastern Hemisphere- i allied against constantinople, and obliterated them. It's not easy to figure out how i won. One player only did half of their turns, another i killed in the beginning, and constantinople appears to be just stupid.

Europe- i made a truce with constantinople this time. They were stupid to accept. I almost won b/c of that. I didn't. So when i had another chance, i tried again b/c i thought they might fall for the same thing twice. They did, and i won.

Berlin- I again thought that i might could pull it off again. But this time they betrayed me, and i lost.

Europe- I was squished between einyel and constantinople. I tried to make a truce, but einyel argued against it, and cons took their truce instead. This is not the normal psychology of a multi-account or two friends. I was forced to accept an unfair truce, b/c einyel also did one, and cons wouldn't do anything better. While me and einyel were arguing violently over what a truce means constantinople destroyed us both.


Lastly, i can't believe that you call yourself an american. Innocent before proven guilty. You have only speculation. No proof. And my arguments make sense. And i prefer questions more than to snide comments that ignore all reason and facts as to how i'm a cheater and liar. So if you have any questions, please ask them so that i can clear up this mess.

I am only saying that I believe you a liar, and a cheater, and that is why I posted this thread. I never said you were proven guilty, only that I suspected it, which is how these threads are made. Now since in a case like this there never is any proof, you never can be 100% proven guilty. However, it will serve as a warning to others before joining your games, that this is what they can expect.

It is the collection of the games with constantinople that represents the suspicion. It is the fact that hes attacking neutrals, and just happening to break truces with others and you or him always happening to be winning. Einyel, himself felt cheated in that game, as he had a right to do so. Others in the games seemed to feel the same way.

Now I agree this is not proof, and as an american I do not suggest you be jailed for these offences, but I do know the game and its players well enough to know these are not the kinds of games people like to play.

Certainly, I could have waited, for you guys to play more games, and perhaps steal more points, but as an american, I decided to stand up against what seemed to be a crime, and to protect others. Thats simply the kind of American I try to be.

* And dont think its lost on anyone that you obviously knew Einyel after a couple of games, had stolen his points with your friend, and then proceeded to attack me in an assassin game, with "I didnt realize you knew I had you as a target" as your main defense. In any case, the assassin game isnt part of the accusation. Its there, because its why I looked at your other games in the first place.

The lady doth protest to much. Good find AFITZ

yeah, it doesn't seems like you are trying to stick with your story. Only come up with more excuses for your actions

it's pretty hard to stick with my "story" when you make it up for me. Everything you have said i have shot down. I feel like im in the inquisition, or witch trials, when no one listens to reason. Your finding little details and just speculating and enlarging them into fallacies. There are plenty of examples (most of which i've defended against), but here is one that is just absurd.

"The lady doth protest to much. Good find AFITZ"

You have absolutely no proof that i'm a lady, a reccuring element...

...That was a joke

Me protesting a lot just means that i strongly believe that i should be cleared of all charges. Just as you arguing against me and taking the time to write me up means that you feel just as strongly that i shouldn't be cleared. Do most of your people that you accuse just be quiet and let people walk all over them? No. You're trying to make me out as a bad guy just b/c i say that i'm right and your wrong. That's messed up and corrupted. I seriously hope that people smarter and fairer than ya'll decide my fate. Who does, by the way?

The Fire Knight wrote:it's pretty hard to stick with my "story" when you make it up for me. Everything you have said i have shot down. I feel like im in the inquisition, or witch trials, when no one listens to reason. Your finding little details and just speculating and enlarging them into fallacies. There are plenty of examples (most of which i've defended against), but here is one that is just absurd.

"The lady doth protest to much. Good find AFITZ"

You have absolutely no proof that i'm a lady, a reccuring element...

...That was a joke

Me protesting a lot just means that i strongly believe that i should be cleared of all charges. Just as you arguing against me and taking the time to write me up means that you feel just as strongly that i shouldn't be cleared. Do most of your people that you accuse just be quiet and let people walk all over them? No. You're trying to make me out as a bad guy just b/c i say that i'm right and your wrong. That's messed up and corrupted. I seriously hope that people smarter and fairer than ya'll decide my fate. Who does, by the way?

fair enough. Either King achilles or andy decides your fate so those are the people who you should hope are corrupt(they don't seem like it)

Even though this is the first Assassin game for The Fire Knight, the other games presented here are quite suspicious, especially the three single match games you played with Constantinople. I have no choice but to block you two from playing together in a game from now on.

Whatever. You win. There's no more point in protesting.

The Fire Knight wrote:Whatever. You win. There's no more point in protesting.

That's because King Achilles and AAFitz were correct and now you can't do anything about it anyway.

It makes me sad that I have been banned for something I DIDN'T DO!!! I am not responsible for The Fire Knights actions, and with the comments you guys have mede, you guys seem exceedingly closed minded. I don't mind getting punished for something i did, because then i deserve it, but this is just one sided. you need to understand that sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes, you don't. i don't think that I can be accused of throwing the game, when I know i did everything in my power to win. I would like to win!!!!!

Umm... you haven't been banned. You just can't play games with him anymore. It's as simple as that.