Multi: theredarmy, guerredumonde, schwartz979

bmw · Post by **bmw** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:17 pm

Whenever I start in a new game I check up on the history of anybody new I'm playing against. In game 13815 I noticed that the last three players (theredarmy, guerredumonde, schwartz979) joined CC about the same time and have pretty much always played in the same games, and that any time they play together schwartz979 always wins. Every game they've been in together all the players that aren't those three are eliminated first (Every single time! It's amazing!) and then schwartz takes out the other two. They also miss turns together...

Even if by chance they aren't a multi, they clearly have that secret alliance thing going.

Unfortunately I'd already taken my first turn in the game before I noticed this, so I'm stuck and can't just bail as a deadbeat.

Cheers,
-Bryce

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http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... chwartz979

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... rredumonde

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... theredarmy

johnnyrotten · Post by **johnnyrotten** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:19 pm

You can deadbeat, just miss 3 consecutive turns...

bmw · Post by **bmw** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:22 pm

Already played, so still lose points, no?

johnnyrotten · Post by **johnnyrotten** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:23 pm

Nope. Well, that's not happened to anyone in any of my games who missed 3 turns, even when they took their first turn.

bmw · Post by **bmw** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:26 pm

Hmmm. I was looking at

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9092

...one of the games with these three characters (along with a poor fourth as their mark), and at the end all three of the offenders missed turns until two were kicked out, and they still lost points.

PainBrain · Post by **PainBrain** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:27 pm

As long as you have only taken one turn you can deadbeat.

johnnyrotten · Post by **johnnyrotten** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:29 pm

I be sincerely confused then.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=12493

Elite_Penguin and eagleray both miss 3 goes, and lose no points. Mind you, it is a team game, I dunno if that makes a difference...

Then, of course, Elite_Penguin wouldn't have lost any points...

bmw · Post by **bmw** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:31 pm

Got it; I've now found the bit at

http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=about

about "the points formula is applied only to players who have taken a turn after Round 1", finally noticing the all-important "after Round 1" distinction.

Of course, I suppose an option here is to turn it into an inadvertent 3-on-3 game.

Haydena · Post by **Haydena** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:04 am

Looking through their game histories, you can see the proximity between all three turns is sometimes seconds... One will take his turn, the next one will, then the last one... Sometimes it's more spread out but I can see a lot of close turns...

Theres definitely something fishy going on here.

If you look, he's the highest ranked private,

103 - schwartz979 - 1319 - 8 - Private

8 games played, 1 lost... Hmm

lackattack · Post by **lackattack** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:48 am

Good eye bmw.

Here's the official verdict:
schwartz979 a.k.a. guerredumonde a.k.a. theredarmy has violated rule #1. The jerkoff has been warned and the accounts are banned from playing together.

Haydena · Post by **Haydena** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:00 am

Hooray, more I can add to my ignore list! (It's growing big now

)

bmw · Post by **bmw** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:19 pm

Lack,

I was wondering if there's a reason you don't abort or otherwise politely terminate games that have now-known multis in them.

If you look at

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=13815

at first I though they were going to be smart (in light of having been discovered) and deadbeat, but instead if you look at the turns from last night you can see it's essentially become a 3-on-maybe-2 game (VanCleef decided to bail).

bmw · Post by **bmw** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:50 pm

He's at it again:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1031

lackattack · Post by **lackattack** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:59 am

bmw wrote:I was wondering if there's a reason you don't abort or otherwise politely terminate games that have now-known multis in them.

I have a policy of not messing around with games once they have begun. So if the website goes down and you can't finish your turn, or if known cheaters double-teamed you, tough luck. Why? Because (a) I'm too busy and (b) it could just piss more people off. If you were losing in an "unfair" game you'd want me to delete it but what about the person who was winning? It's just asking for trouble.

I'll re-investigate this multi later to see if he/she is continuing to cheat as you allege.