Feedback is a joke

sideoutshu · Post by **sideoutshu** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:14 am

I left someone a negative saying they "missed multiple turns during a crucial point in the game" which was completely 100% true. Apparently, this guys complained about it and I get a message saying the feedback was removed becasue it was "trivial and not accurate".

Are you freaking kidding me? How is one player out of three remaining missing multiple turns "trivial"? Cause if that is trivial I would like to see what is "important". Christ, I have gotten negative feedback for telling someone they made a stupid move but something that actually effects the outcome is trivial? Gimme a break. Why not just get rid of the feedback section all together?

poo-maker · Post by **poo-maker** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:26 am

There are alot of people who share your thoughts on the feedback system- I am one of them. I wouldn't let it bother you that much, as noone really gives a damn about their opponents feedback as long as they haven't got a ridiculous ratio of positives to negatives.

sideoutshu · Post by **sideoutshu** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 am

poo-maker wrote:There are alot of people who share your thoughts on the feedback system- I am one of them. I wouldn't let it bother you that much, as noone really gives a damn about their opponents feedback as long as they haven't got a ridiculous ratio of positives to negatives.

It isn't that I am upset for it being removed, I am upset for the complete and utter lack of logic under which it was removed. I mean saying that one of three players missing multiple turns is "trivial" is just about as dumb as it gets.

Wouldn't the purpose of feedback be to warn people if the person they are about to play with is habitually misses turns?

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:02 am

Feedback is an evolving process, expect some alterations, changes, etc, in the coming months.

--Andy

Kemmler · Post by **Kemmler** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:08 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Feedback is an evolving process, expect some alterations, changes, etc, in the coming months.

--Andy

just destroy the whole thing. too many complaints

Johnny Rockets · Post by **Johnny Rockets** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:52 pm

No don't toss the whole thing.
I truly want to know if the person thats signed on is a shit cake or not.
But do change things. Like a concrete format on what constitutes a neg, disuading negative feedback for idiot reasons. Or hell, just filter them with a speck of reason and intelligence.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:24 pm

Feedback Instructions wrote:Do not leave feedback for trivial things like missing an occasional turn.

GabonX · Post by **GabonX** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:37 pm

The feedback read "missed multiple turns during a crucial point in the game." I would think that the "during a crucial point in the game" means that this isn't actualy about missing turns, but I guess the mods don't see it this way. Would it be appropriate to say "missed turns as a strategy"?

GabonX · Post by **GabonX** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:39 pm

sideoutshu wrote:I left someone a negative saying they "missed multiple turns during a crucial point in the game" which was completely 100% true. Apparently, this guys complained about it and I get a message saying the feedback was removed becasue it was "trivial and not accurate".

Are you freaking kidding me? How is one player out of three remaining missing multiple turns "trivial"? Cause if that is trivial I would like to see what is "important". Christ, I have gotten negative feedback for telling someone they made a stupid move but something that actually effects the outcome is trivial? Gimme a break. Why not just get rid of the feedback section all together?

The definition of occasional as stated by wicked is three. I got into an argument with her in another thread about this. If a player misses three turns in a four round game your feedback won't hold up. On the other hand if a player misses four turns in a one hundred round game, according to the declared standards, the feedback will stand...

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:46 pm

GabonX wrote:The definition of occasional as stated by wicked is three. I got into an argument with her in another thread about this. If a player misses three turns in a four round game your feedback won't hold up. On the other hand if a player misses four turns in a one hundred round game, according to the declared standards, the feedback will stand...

wow... if that is indeed true, it makes no sense. none... wow... thanks for that info.-0

p.s.-what? you got in an argument with wicked? i don't believe that for one instant!

Fruitcake · Post by **Fruitcake** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:31 pm

GabonX wrote:The definition of occasional as stated by wicked is three. I got into an argument with her in another thread about this. If a player misses three turns in a four round game your feedback won't hold up. On the other hand if a player misses four turns in a one hundred round game, according to the declared standards, the feedback will stand...

So there is a definitive rule, the fact it makes absoloutely no sense whatsoever is of little or no consequence. Lucky for us wicked always keeps to a this single standardised process, never deviating from a set position, never ever showing double standards, that way we all know where we are....don't we?

owenshooter wrote:p.s.-what? you got in an argument with wicked? i don't believe that for one instant!

neither do I...how did you manage it?

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:35 pm

I got the most positive feedbacks on this site by far and I got to agree with you. I think the system is not used and monitered properly. I played almost 8,000 games and left almost no feedback but when I do, there is always some kind of catch 22 phrase on why the feedback is not factual. Your documentation can be filled with 100% accurate facts and its still not acceptable. I dont know if Lack has SOP's that are used for deleting feedback or if the mods use their best judgement, but I dont think it is being done properly. Now I do send in alot of e-tickets to have feedback removed, but every case it is because the player complained about a non speed game not being played real time. So I do think they should be deleted, but to delete a feedback only on the fact that because a player is not eliminated in a game yet that makes the feedback not factual is rediculous. What am I to do? What until the player is eliminated and than leave the feedback? If so, than why do I have the availability to leave the feedback when im eliminated and the game is still not over? Than the other player beats me to the punch and I cant leave one or its revenge feedback. Too many loopholes in this system.

wrestler1ump · Post by **wrestler1ump** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:35 pm

The double standards on this site have really reduced my enjoyment of it. The feedback system is just one example of what can happen when mods let their biases get in the way of fair moderating. I have gotten feedback for bad strategy when they don't even point out what my strategy was, yet had my feedback lefts deleted when they said basically the same thing. I have even been kept on a feedback ban for asking for negative feedback. The feedback system is by far the biggest joke on this site. Someone should make a poll asking if the feedback system is handled properly.

Ditocoaf · Post by **Ditocoaf** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:50 pm

I always thought that feedback was there so you could know the sorts of things you would want to know about an opponent or a teammate. Apparently, that isn't true, and feedback is just... there. So yes, feedback is a joke. I don't really see that changing.

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:53 pm

Why do you guys whine about feedback system? Not many players give a shit about it, just add to ignore list if there are players you don't like and don't want to play again.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:06 pm

wicked wrote:
Feedback Instructions wrote:Do not leave feedback for trivial things like missing an occasional turn.

Unsuprisingly, wicked fails to read the thread.

Fruitcake · Post by **Fruitcake** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:07 pm

oggiss wrote:Why do you guys whine about feedback system? Not many players give a shit about it

This would be why you have left 5 odd pages of feedback then?

Mind you, some of the feedbacks you left and received (of which there were nearly as many, interestingly) brought tears of laughter to my eyes.

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:09 pm

Fruitcake wrote:
oggiss wrote:Why do you guys whine about feedback system? Not many players give a shit about it
This would be why you have left 5 odd pages of feedback then?

Mind you, some of the feedbacks you left and received (of which there were nearly as many, interestingly) brought tears of laughter to my eyes.

Good for you.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:50 pm

Fruitcake wrote: This would be why you have left 5 odd pages of feedback then?

don't try to reason OR understand The Oggiss... just marvel at whichever personality he possesses, decides to show up for the day or occassion or post...-0

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:02 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Fruitcake wrote: This would be why you have left 5 odd pages of feedback then?
don't try to reason OR understand The Oggiss... just marvel at whichever personality he possesses, decides to show up for the day or occassion or post...-0

That post just ruined your chances to get a forum moderator

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:05 pm

maybe instead of whining about it you could try and suggest some changes you think would be beneficial so then we dont have to look at tripe like this

i havent had any problems with the system at all

jimmyrules712 · Post by **jimmyrules712** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:14 am

I have to agree the feedback system doesn't make sense.

In a game with 3 remaining players (counting myself) one player suicided on me and as a result the 3rd player killed us both the next turn. I left a feedback on the suicider saying that "he suicided and gave the game to a third player."

It was removed for not being factual...if that isn't factual what is?

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:35 am

Ahem! I think the mods only get involved with feedback when there is a complaint about it.

If I had a say in it, there would be no feedback system and no ranking/point system. I would have randomn giveaways to players who win randomnly selected games.

I would give away new Porsches, dishwashers, and maybe a date with Wicked (and she could wash your dishes for you!)

But then we would have to deal with multis extremely harsh! (like shooting them or beheading).

hundredand1aces · Post by **hundredand1aces** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:57 am

Well let me add my rant here as well.......

This is my first negative feedback and I never deadbeat, my modem went south and I was on the phone with Cox Internet for almost 35 minutes trying to resolve the issue, but nothing came of it. So I dug through some old computer parts and found an old cable modem and boom it worked, So if there is anyway to remove this neg, as I understand missing a few turns does not justify this neg, as it didnt in Minister Masket case during the BR when he never took a trun......

king achilles (Thursday, February 21 2008 9:49pm)
Hi hundredand1aces,

As much as I would like to help you, feedback about deadbeating is permitted. You could find a way to settle this with -Maximus- if you want this removed.

Friday, February 22 2008 9:45am
Well then why did Minister Masket get his negative removed during the BR, as he deadbeated that game and yall removed over 30 ngs off his feedback????

Friday, February 22 2008 9:47am
I was also in another game, at the same time and was out of it as well, so your internet connection going south is a reason for a neg?????

Friday, February 22 2008 9:53am
heres the forum disscusion about it http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... highlight=

Friday, February 22 2008 10:02am
Not to mention, with the game in question, the game had not even made as it was awaiting players when I lost my connection, the other game I was in at the time I had taken several turns and lost ou on it as well. http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1860155

Friday, February 22 2008 12:14pm
The game started at 2008-02-20 16:01:27 - Game has been initialized. And heres where I end 2008-02-20 16:27:47 - hundredand1aces was kicked out for missing too many turns. So I missed 26 minutes of a game and Minister misses 50 minuets and his neg's get removed....So the rules are different for different people????

king achilles (Monday, February 25 2008 7:57pm)
Hi again,

Your comparison for Minister Masket's miss turn in that game is not the same. He was only able to miss one turn and got eliminated by an opponent. You missed three turns for this game and was eliminated because of missing too many turns. You were not eliminated by any player.

Tuesday, February 26 2008 7:39am
Oh I see your logic, he held the game up for well over 30 minutes and I held my game up for 15....BRILLIANT!!!!!!

Tuesday, February 26 2008 7:40am
As his excuse was that his wireless router came unplugged when his mom was vacuming, well my modem crapped out....not much difference there......we both lost are connection
Tuesday, February 26 2008 7:41am
whatever though, I am starting to realize that I may have wasted my $$$ buying a preium memebership....

Tuesday, February 26 2008 7:50am
"Unwritten Rules"

"Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts."

Gee I guess my router heading south for the winter is intentional deadbeating.....But like I said earlier this place may have been a waste of my money.

Guess this about sums it up a guy never takes a turn(deadbeats) during a BR and gets his negs removed......he missed almost an hour of the game but it was only his 2nd turn so its okay. Some one needs to get a !#%^%*! clue!!!!!!!

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:08 am

Your definition of deadbeating is incorrect. Deadbeating = getting kicked out for missing 3 consecutive turns.

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