Proofs For Creationism - As Requested

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:55 am

I was challenged to stop fighting against evolution and to present scientific proofs for creationism so I am going to take up that challenge.

Before I start here are a few things you might need or want to know.

1 - Yes I am a Christian.
2 - I reject most parts of evolutionary theory for scientific reasons not religious
3 - I believe Christians could accept some form of evolutionary theory without denying God. However I currently don't as I find it scientifically unsupportable.
4 - I am neither a strict 6 day creationist, sold out believer in intelligent design theory or evolutionist. I am still exploring.

I do not think science or and christianity are exclusive but rather one is the discovery of the amazing creations created by the God of the other.

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:56 am

you mentioned proofs in the title......... where are they?

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:07 am

The first question in any proof giving for creationism (other than defining what creationism is) has to be:
Has God been disproved
or Is it possible there might be a God or Gods (supreme sentient power able to create all we know).

If solid evidence for there being no god ever can be given then the argument about creationism is null and void. Without a creator there can be no creation.

For this discussion to make any sense a first premise must be agreed on by atheists, agnostics and theists alike. That premise is as follows:

There is no empirical proof that god does not exist. Until we have all knowledge about all things and that knowledge covers all time then there is the possibility a god or creator might exist or have existed. This premise makes no claims about a creator(s) other than the creator might have had enough power to create all we currently know. Whether that creator be god, mortal or alien species matters not.

All that matters for this discussion is that there is no emperical evidence that there never was a creator.

Can we agree on this as a first premise? If not then the scientific discussion which might follow would be null, void and a total waste of time.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:08 am

alex_white101 wrote:you mentioned proofs in the title......... where are they?

Hold your horses ... they are coming

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:08 am

Fine then, we all agree, there is no evedence for or against god, now, continue.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:14 am

Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:36 am

can we please also agree there is no proof against a giant all knowing monkey/ape which roams the world whilst we are all asleep and, ummmmmm vampires, yeah they havent been disproved either, so can we now continue? they may have created the world.........

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:02 am

alex_white101 wrote:can we please also agree there is no proof against a giant all knowing monkey/ape which roams the world whilst we are all asleep and, ummmmmm vampires, yeah they havent been disproved either, so can we now continue? they may have created the world.........

What about Godzilla? Or Zombies?

They all have universe creation powers.

Note: I will continue making up creatures that have supposedly created the universe, 'till I get some disproofs to disprove!

Guidocks · Post by **Guidocks** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:24 am

we all began from smileys first:

then:

and present day

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:26 am

Guidocks wrote:we all began from smileys first: then: then: and present day

how dare u spam this very serious thread which we are all taking very seriously!?!?!?! damn you to hell!!!! (if there is one, if not, just damn you)

Guidocks · Post by **Guidocks** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:29 am

alex_white101 wrote:
Guidocks wrote:we all began from smileys first: then: then: and present day
how dare u spam this very serious thread which we are all taking very seriously!?!?!?! damn you to hell!!!! (if there is one, if not, just damn you)

Aegnor · Post by **Aegnor** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:55 am

Haha evolution of a smiley!

Guilty_Biscuit · Post by **Guilty_Biscuit** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:24 am

I think we can all agree that there is no proof that God does not exist nunz, but I would like to know how you plan to build from here. A lack of evidence is a very shaky way to start a proof.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:32 am

nunz wrote:to present scientific proofs for creationism

neither is starting with an oxymoron like this a great beginning

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:51 am

Neutrino wrote:Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?

Slaves don't get paid...

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:53 am

Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?
Slaves don't get paid...

And therein lies the joke.
But, because its nearly 10, ill forgive your fuzzy thinking.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:56 am

Neutrino wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?
Slaves don't get paid...
And therein lies the joke.
But, because its nearly 10, ill forgive your fuzzy thinking.

Fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzzyy.
I like that word.

Pay meee, I'm not a slavey

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:59 am

Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?
Slaves don't get paid...
And therein lies the joke.
But, because its nearly 10, ill forgive your fuzzy thinking.
Fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzzyy.
I like that word.

Pay meee, I'm not a slavey

God, its not that late...
You shouldnt start becoming mildly delusional for a few hours yet.
Unless, of course, you are drunk...

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:03 am

Neutrino wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?
Slaves don't get paid...
And therein lies the joke.
But, because its nearly 10, ill forgive your fuzzy thinking.
Fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzzyy.
I like that word.

Pay meee, I'm not a slavey
God, its not that late...
You shouldnt start becoming mildly delusional for a few hours yet.
Unless, of course, you are drunk...

Why would I drink? It's school tomorrow and my parents are upstairs.

Meowww. I really do like the word fuzzy.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:06 am

Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Neutrino wrote:Faster slaves, faster! What am I paying you people for?
Slaves don't get paid...
And therein lies the joke.
But, because its nearly 10, ill forgive your fuzzy thinking.
Fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzzyy.
I like that word.

Pay meee, I'm not a slavey
God, its not that late...
You shouldnt start becoming mildly delusional for a few hours yet.
Unless, of course, you are drunk...
Why would I drink? It's school tomorrow and my parents are upstairs.

Meowww. I really do like the word fuzzy.

Great, I have created a fuzzy monster...

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:21 am

Is it fluffy, too?

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:26 am

Yes, I am fluffy.

Look at all my curly hair and watch it produce fluff.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:28 am

A fluffy, fuzzy monster named skittles.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:29 am

Skittles! wrote:Yes, I am fluffy.

Look at all my curly hair and watch it produce fluff.

There are only two possible responses to this statement, to run, or to track you down and kill you in the most inhumne way possible, to spare humanity your infectious insanity.

Guess which option I chose?

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:30 am

MeDeFe wrote:A fluffy, fuzzy monster named skittles.

Almost as bad as Pokemon bondage.

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