Kiron/westbo SD on wall [Warned!] KRK

Sword Master · Post by **Sword Master** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:04 am

Accused:

Kiron
westbo
evalaxis

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game numbers:

Game 9107207
Game 8169476

Comments: I randomly looked at Kiron's wall and I saw 2 comments westbo made! Here they are; "sorrie for that.but i,m not strong in the game and you have a lot off troops"

by westbo
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:39 pm

"I,m to the going to the noord to atac there"
by westbo
on Thu May 26, 2011 2:04 pm

They looked like secret diplomacy so I then went to westbo's wall and looked at what was written on his wall during the same time and at page 4: "and u attack me why? isn't that usually a death wish since u know i'm stronger than you?"

by Kiron
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:54 pm

"read my chat, basically if u agree to not attack me and reinforce out of thessalonica i will not attack u since i'm not interested in killing you. My advice is to use this opportunity to strengthen your own position like taking poland or germany or something. At the least don't waste your armies on no gains."

by Kiron
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:58 pm
They've only played one game together Game 9107207 so I figured it must be that one! There's a ton of chat being made in the game chat of that game but I couldn't tell if it somehow compensated for the activity outside of game chat! This game is not a team game btw! As far as I've understood what they've done is illegal so I thought I'd tell you guys!

ADDED: On page 4 of Kiron's wall evalaxis posted this:

Kiron, would you be open to extending our truce to round 31 in Waterloo?

by Evalaxis
on Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:59 pm

8169476...Hi Kiron.....Would you like to extend our truce to round 27?

by Evalaxis
on Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:42 pm

8169476...Hello there. Are we in an active truce?

by Evalaxis
on Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:00 am

There's nothing on Evalaxis's wall that would indicate that Kiron responded but Evalaxis did definitely post some inappropriate stuff on Krion's wall!

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:36 am

Page 4 of westbo wall:

read my chat, basically if u agree to not attack me and reinforce out of thessalonica i will not attack u since i'm not interested in killing you. My advice is to use this opportunity to strengthen your own position like taking poland or germany or something. At the least don't waste your armies on no gains.

by Kiron
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:58 pm

This is exactly secret diplomacy. Nice catch and thanks for reporting it and shame on Kiron. Sad.

tennischamp5 · Post by **tennischamp5** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:56 am

jefjef wrote:Page 4 of westbo wall:

read my chat, basically if u agree to not attack me and reinforce out of thessalonica i will not attack u since i'm not interested in killing you. My advice is to use this opportunity to strengthen your own position like taking poland or germany or something. At the least don't waste your armies on no gains.

by Kiron
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:58 pm

This is exactly secret diplomacy. Nice catch and thanks for reporting it and shame on Kiron. Sad.

I'd actually have to disagree. Kiron's referring him back to game chat where he does offer a truce. More than likely, what it seems like to me is that at 1:25 pm, kiron offered a truce to pink in game chat. Pink either didn't see it, or something, and ended up attacking Kiron anyway, after which, he posted on Kiron's wall apologizing and explaining he attacked him because Kiron had so many troops. Kiron responded with the statement above telling him to look in game chat... after which pink looked and agreed to the truce.

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:27 pm

tennischamp5 wrote:
jefjef wrote:Page 4 of westbo wall:

read my chat, basically if u agree to not attack me and reinforce out of thessalonica i will not attack u since i'm not interested in killing you. My advice is to use this opportunity to strengthen your own position like taking poland or germany or something. At the least don't waste your armies on no gains.

by Kiron
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:58 pm

This is exactly secret diplomacy. Nice catch and thanks for reporting it and shame on Kiron. Sad.
I'd actually have to disagree. Kiron's referring him back to game chat where he does offer a truce. More than likely, what it seems like to me is that at 1:25 pm, kiron offered a truce to pink in game chat. Pink either didn't see it, or something, and ended up attacking Kiron anyway, after which, he posted on Kiron's wall apologizing and explaining he attacked him because Kiron had so many troops. Kiron responded with the statement above telling him to look in game chat... after which pink looked and agreed to the truce.

READ THE RULES. No strategy or diplomacy is allowed outside of game chat. That wall post is not allowed and is secret diplomacy REGARDLESS of what is in game chat. If all he had posted was "read game chat" then he would have been fine.

iamkoolerthanu · Post by **iamkoolerthanu** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:53 pm

I think busting him for secret diplomacy would be a little bit harsh, since it was in the game chat. The whole reason for the rule is so people don't post things that other players can't see.. And if it is in gamechat and the wall, everyone can still see it

Warning maybe, but I don't like the way the rule is set up

Sword Master · Post by **Sword Master** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:48 pm

tennischamp5 wrote:
jefjef wrote:Page 4 of westbo wall:

read my chat, basically if u agree to not attack me and reinforce out of thessalonica i will not attack u since i'm not interested in killing you. My advice is to use this opportunity to strengthen your own position like taking poland or germany or something. At the least don't waste your armies on no gains.

by Kiron
on Thu May 26, 2011 1:58 pm

This is exactly secret diplomacy. Nice catch and thanks for reporting it and shame on Kiron. Sad.
I'd actually have to disagree. Kiron's referring him back to game chat where he does offer a truce. More than likely, what it seems like to me is that at 1:25 pm, kiron offered a truce to pink in game chat. Pink either didn't see it, or something, and ended up attacking Kiron anyway, after which, he posted on Kiron's wall apologizing and explaining he attacked him because Kiron had so many troops. Kiron responded with the statement above telling him to look in game chat... after which pink looked and agreed to the truce.

Kiron did offer westbo a truce in the chat but said nothing there about what territs he thought westbo should attack! That was only on the wall! From what I've seen you can get warned just by not reporting that someone has posted strategy related stuff on your wall so to respond and give strategic advice back outside of game chat does look like a clear case!

Sword Master · Post by **Sword Master** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:05 pm

New material added in the original post!!!

Karl_R_Kroenen · Post by **Karl_R_Kroenen** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:06 pm

Kiron = WARNED
westbo = WARNED

Sequence of event:
2011-05-26 09:07:40 - Kiron: interested in peace pink?
2011-05-26 11:23:44 - westbo assaulted Thessalonica from Servia and conquered it from Kiron
2011-05-26 11:25:35 - Kiron: pink...what did u gain from that? i offered u a truce...
2011-05-26 11:26:25 - Kiron: pink, if u reinforce out next turn, we can still work something out
May 26, 2011 11:58 - Kiron wrote on Westbo’s wall (above)
May 26, 2011 12:04 – Westbo wrote on Kiran’s wall (above)
2011-05-26 14:13:32 - westbo: yep ok kiron

Once AGAIN, this isn't a popularity contest...

Karl_R_Kroenen · Post by **Karl_R_Kroenen** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:28 pm

Evalaxis = Warned!

In the future, please do not lump/dump additional accusations onto an existing C&A case.
Just open a new one, thanks!

Rodion · Post by **Rodion** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:35 pm

Karl_R_Kroenen wrote:Evalaxis = Warned!

In the future, please do not lump/dump additional accusations onto an existing C&A case.
Just open a new one, thanks!

Karl, please check this precedent. Not sure Evalaxis should be punished.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 6#p3143926

Evalaxis · Post by **Evalaxis** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:51 pm

Thank you, I agree. As I wrote to Karl, I simply cut & pasted comments from game chat on Kiron's wall. These comments were available for all to see in the game. Clearly, I was not engaging in secret diplomacy. Thank you for your support.

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:23 am

Evalaxis wrote:Thank you, I agree. As I wrote to Karl, I simply cut & pasted comments from game chat on Kiron's wall. These comments were available for all to see in the game. Clearly, I was not engaging in secret diplomacy. Thank you for your support.

He is NOT supporting your actions. What you did is specifically against the rules. What Rodion is pointing out is that offense occurred 5 months ago and that is probably old enough that you not officially get warned for it even though you deserved to be...

ONLY POST DIPLOMACY IN GAME CHAT.

Evalaxis · Post by **Evalaxis** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:47 pm

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:51 pm

Evalaxis wrote:OK!!

Just so you and others know how serious CC is about Secret Diplomacy.

Secret Diplomacy Infraction disciplinary levels are as follows:
1 offense = Block and Warning,
2 offense = Block and 1 Week Website Vacation,
3 offense = Block and 1 Month Website Vacation,
4 offense = Block and Account Inactivation.

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