CC City Mogul [Quenched]

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:24 pm

gimil wrote: Please use green

You know athestics beats realistic accuracy any time

Couldnt you try a lighter blue?

lighter blue will no longer have the blueprint feeling and it will also make certain colours very hard to see (cyan)

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:33 am

v14
*changed the legend to reflect that there's no terit bonus.

FreeMan10 · Post by **FreeMan10** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:41 am

I assume the big numbers in each territ are the starting army numbers. Can you specify that font to use? If so, I think that'd be great, it seems more readable than the standard font.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:54 am

FreeMan10 wrote:I assume the big numbers in each territ are the starting army numbers. Can you specify that font to use? If so, I think that'd be great, it seems more readable than the standard font.

you assume correctly. but unfortunately the font can't be chosen.

FreeMan10 · Post by **FreeMan10** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:07 am

bummer.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:17 am

FreeMan10 wrote:bummer.

i know that it has been suggested that map makers can choose the army fonts. and as far as i can remember lack said it will be done sometime in the future. it would be great. i'd love to see doodle armies written in some kid font or the aor armies in a fantasy one.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:39 pm

Here's a thought... each neighborhood gives the same bonus, yet they aren't equal in size and borders. For instance, the "G" neighborhood has one less border to hold than some because the subway station is also a cross-walk border territory. Same with "T" and "R" neighborhoods. Meanwhile the "C" block is bigger than "T," has three territories to defend, and none of the border terits border each other for support.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:07 pm

oaktown wrote:Here's a thought... each neighborhood gives the same bonus, yet they aren't equal in size and borders. For instance, the "G" neighborhood has one less border to hold than some because the subway station is also a cross-walk border territory. Same with "T" and "R" neighborhoods. Meanwhile the "C" block is bigger than "T," has three territories to defend, and none of the border terits border each other for support.

i already covered this part some time back. yes the neighbourhoods offer the same bonus BUT they also have an indirect bonus from the blank terits.

for example C is bigger than Y and it's not fair to have the same bonus BUT C has 4 blank terits yielding an extra 20 troops while Y has just 2 blanks meaning just 10 extra.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:45 am

DiM wrote:for example C is bigger than Y and it's not fair to have the same bonus BUT C has 4 blank terits yielding an extra 20 troops while Y has just 2 blanks meaning just 10 extra.

I'm not saying you need to change it, I just thought it was worth discussing. I was actually less concerned about the size of the neighborhoods than I am with the number of borders each has to hold, but again I'm alright with it as it is - it's more interesting to allow little differences in the starts. Ultimately the neighborhood bonuses may not as important as the individual territory bonuses anyway.

Honestly, I'm running out of reasons why I shouldn't stamp this, but I'm still uncomfortable with it because I just can't wrap my noodle around how it will play. I'd like to hear you all convince me that it's good to go!

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:03 am

oaktown wrote:
DiM wrote:for example C is bigger than Y and it's not fair to have the same bonus BUT C has 4 blank terits yielding an extra 20 troops while Y has just 2 blanks meaning just 10 extra.
I'm not saying you need to change it, I just thought it was worth discussing. I was actually less concerned about the size of the neighborhoods than I am with the number of borders each has to hold, but again I'm alright with it as it is - it's more interesting to allow little differences in the starts. Ultimately the neighborhood bonuses may not as important as the individual territory bonuses anyway.

Honestly, I'm running out of reasons why I shouldn't stamp this, but I'm still uncomfortable with it because I just can't wrap my noodle around how it will play. I'd like to hear you all convince me that it's good to go!

it's natural to feel a bit uncertain about it as it brings a radical change in gameplay by offering big armies. i have playtested it and it works fine. yes at first my friends were also troubled by the idea and i noticed some had the first instinct to preserve troops to amass great armies while others went all ballistic from the start rampaging all they could. but in the end the best wey to play was a normal way with a bit more aggression. sitting and building may get you a big army fast but that's big compared to normal maps because others that expand and get bonuses will get huge armies.

the best way to convince you would be to either get a way to play test it online (*cough* playtest area for map makers *cough*) or to jump in a play and come to your house. unfortunately both are out of the question so the best reason i have to convince you is this:
the map works like a normal map where everything is multiplied by 5. if after some games it turns out people are uncomfortable with this gameplay, based on suggestions i receive the multiplier will be increased decreased or even taken out completely leaving the map as a normal one.

fumandomuerte · Post by **fumandomuerte** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:00 pm

I think you should decrease the multiply from 5 to 1. It doesn't have any point to multiply the map in my opinion.
I'm fine with the rest, i guess.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:32 pm

fumandomuerte wrote:I think you should decrease the multiply from 5 to 1. It doesn't have any point to multiply the map in my opinion.
I'm fine with the rest, i guess.

read the first post to understand why the map has a multiplier

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:34 pm

i see nobody is complaining about anything so i'll start the small version. or do i have to wait for stamps before starting small??

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:58 pm

DiM wrote:i see nobody is complaining about anything so i'll start the small version. or do i have to wait for stamps before starting small??

What stamp are you talking about?

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:28 pm

gimil wrote:
DiM wrote:i see nobody is complaining about anything so i'll start the small version. or do i have to wait for stamps before starting small??
What stamp are you talking about?

graphics but mostly gameplay. do i have to get approval?

i asume not. but it's better to be sure.
since nothing seems to be wrong at the moment i'll start the small and post it on monday.

xml is in final forge, right?

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:54 am

you need to anti-alias the territory names or something... they are so emaciated and look out of place. try "strong" or just bold them or if you cant do that, just duplicate the layer a few times.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:05 pm

mibi wrote:you need to anti-alias the territory names or something... they are so emaciated and look out of place. try "strong" or just bold them or if you cant do that, just duplicate the layer a few times.

i set the effect to none for the terit names on purpose to make them feel like the paper was scratched by a very sharp pen.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 am

DiM wrote:
mibi wrote:you need to anti-alias the territory names or something... they are so emaciated and look out of place. try "strong" or just bold them or if you cant do that, just duplicate the layer a few times.
i set the effect to none for the terit names on purpose to make them feel like the paper was scratched by a very sharp pen.

scratched by a sharp pen? I dont get it.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:06 pm

mibi wrote:
DiM wrote:
mibi wrote:you need to anti-alias the territory names or something... they are so emaciated and look out of place. try "strong" or just bold them or if you cant do that, just duplicate the layer a few times.
i set the effect to none for the terit names on purpose to make them feel like the paper was scratched by a very sharp pen.
scratched by a sharp pen? I dont get it.

you know when you have a fountain pen and you scratch the paper...

i will change them to sharp or something.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:00 pm

Rather than the glow around the neighbour hoods would you try a 1-2px stroke?

As for the scrtached pen, I like it but only if you can apply the same effect to the whole map. If not then im against it

EDIT: also can I get a version without the starting numbers on it?

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:32 am

V15
the fixed text
created small
as for the stroke, i'd rather use glow since i can control it's spread and quality.

large:

small:

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:19 am

Hmmm - yeah the letters in the map do look a bit pixelly!?

Not sure how you'd fix it with that font though!

C.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:06 am

yeti_c wrote:Hmmm - yeah the letters in the map do look a bit pixelly!?

Not sure how you'd fix it with that font though!

C.

i fixed the pixelization. see post above with the edited image.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:07 am

DiM wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Hmmm - yeah the letters in the map do look a bit pixelly!?

Not sure how you'd fix it with that font though!

C.
i fixed the pixelization. see post above with the edited image.

Look at the N's

C.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:10 am

yeti_c wrote:
DiM wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Hmmm - yeah the letters in the map do look a bit pixelly!?

Not sure how you'd fix it with that font though!

C.
i fixed the pixelization. see post above with the edited image.
Look at the N's

C.

press F5 to see the new images.