WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:24 pm

cairns, i thought you knew this by now that people are dumb and they will most likely fail to understand the rules of a map even if those rules are spelled perfectly in the legend. yes some maps may be harder than others but that just means you have to read the legend a couple of times. it's not really rocket science

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:31 pm

cairnswk wrote:
edbeard wrote:don't you think it's confusing that the background of the Cauldron on the legend is the same colour as the Gazala line on the map?

And, vice versa

I realize the names help distinguish this, but still. It seems like an unnecessary possible confusion.

I know why you have the colours that way on the legend though. Gives a bit of contrast. At least that's my impression.
Actually edbeard, in don't find anything wrong with it.
In fact, and don't take offense, i find that the number of people out there who don't read instructions, and can't distinguish certain things on maps....i wonder if there is a totally dislexic generation raoming about that are simply too lazy to figure some things out for themselves without having everything spelled out for them in black and white when real estate is limited.

You already know the issues that have been raised by waterloo, just before i posted this, someone PMed em to say "what contintent is waterloo in"

I just about bloodywell give in.

However, i will change them around just for you.

Edbeard, please F5 to see the changes in the map.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:32 pm

DiM wrote:cairns, i thought you knew this by now that people are dumb and they will most likely fail to understand the rules of a map even if those rules are spelled perfectly in the legend. yes some maps may be harder than others but that just means you have to read the legend a couple of times. it's not really rocket science

Dim...you are perfectly correct...it is not rocket science, and i like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but some just take the cake.

Your changes are in Version 25.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:33 pm

cairnswk wrote: Your changes are in Version 25.

saw and liked.

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:35 pm

changes work for me

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:50 pm

edbeard wrote:changes work for me

Kewl

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:51 pm

Cairns can you let me know what stamps you have been given (if any om not really sure)

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:21 am

gimil wrote:Cairns can you let me know what stamps you have been given (if any om not really sure)

None Gimil.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:24 am

Ok cairns bear with me ill get you what you need once i get access to photobucket. The backdating of stamps aint no fun lol

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:45 am

gimil wrote:Ok cairns bear with me ill get you what you need once i get access to photobucket. The backdating of stamps aint no fun lol

Thanks Gimil, i was wondering when some might be applied, if this map is justified in awarding such stars.

Our awarders seem to be on hols at present.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:03 pm

cairnswk wrote:
gimil wrote:Ok cairns bear with me ill get you what you need once i get access to photobucket. The backdating of stamps aint no fun lol
Thanks Gimil, i was wondering when some might be applied, if this map is justified in awarding such stars.

Our awarders seem to be on hols at present.

the new developmental atlas will allow the cators to keep track of stamps and jopefully keep the process moving better. I just ask that you bear with use for a while

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:00 pm

cairnswk wrote:
DiM wrote:the graphics are top notch except for 2 minor issues

first the land mines. they should be dark green camouflage or desert camouflage not purple. as they are they don't look too pretty because they draw your attention away. so i think a brown green thing would work better.

second, each arrow on the map has a white tail. why? i mean i love the way the tan trails blend into the arrows but that bit of white spoils the effect.
Done!

yeti_c wrote: Thirdly - the mines on the smaller map are much easier to distinguish than the ones on the larger map.

And Done!

Version 25

Love the new mines.

C.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:41 pm

yeti_c wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
DiM wrote:the graphics are top notch except for 2 minor issues
first the land mines. they should be dark green camouflage or desert camouflage not purple. as they are they don't look too pretty because they draw your attention away. so i think a brown green thing would work better.
second, each arrow on the map has a white tail. why? i mean i love the way the tan trails blend into the arrows but that bit of white spoils the effect.
Done!
yeti_c wrote: Thirdly - the mines on the smaller map are much easier to distinguish than the ones on the larger map.

And Done!
Version 25
Love the new mines.
C.

Kewl

asl80 · Post by **asl80** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:43 pm

Nice updates cairns - the mine colours are much more fitting.

just one suggestion for the legend, maybe you could place "airports, towns, tobruk, gazala line, cauldron" following the axis partners, then the allied partner names following the towns and inbetweens i've mentioned here. or even have some dividers in the legend between the sides and inbetweens.

(bit unsure of the darkness of the grey grading around lumsden)

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:56 pm

asl80 wrote:Nice updates cairns - the mine colours are much more fitting.

just one suggestion for the legend, maybe you could place "airports, towns, tobruk, gazala line, cauldron" following the axis partners, then the allied partner names following the towns and inbetweens i've mentioned here. or even have some dividers in the legend between the sides and inbetweens.

(bit unsure of the darkness of the grey grading around lumsden)

thanks asl80...I see no need to separate the legend out, everyone know who fought who in WWII, if they don't they need to take history lessons or hop on wiki.

that grey around lumsden,,,what is your issue there, it is meant to represent a ridge of sand?

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:15 pm

I think this might be waiting on some approval stamps.

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:20 pm

if I had some grapfic skills, it had my approval

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:21 pm

?????

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:52 pm

I really like hte grundgy feel of this map cairns, i have some very small concerns that i would class as nitpicking so 1st and foremost:

Now that ive softened you up

:

-The yellow/green glow in the names on the sea arnt so nice (In my opinion) a different may be better, but im not sure what

- Some terr names are a little unlegable on there backgrounds, e.g. toburk garr 3, Ransdens 50th.

-And the silver boxes in the lower left corner could do with the whites intensity being reduced.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:59 pm

gimil wrote:I really like hte grundgy feel of this map cairns, i have some very small concerns that i would class as nitpicking so 1st and foremost:

Now that ive softened you up :

-The yellow/green glow in the names on the sea arnt so nice (In my opinion) a different may be better, but im not sure what

- Some terr names are a little unlegable on there backgrounds, e.g. toburk garr 3, Ransdens 50th.

-And the silver boxes in the lower left corner could do with the whites intensity being reduced.

Softening me up he Gimil....underhanded Scottish tacktics if ever i saw them LOL.

Anyways, thanks, i deliberately tried to attempt this grunge feel for the sand of the desert.....i'll attend to those other things shortly.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:55 am

gimil wrote:I really like hte grundgy feel of this map cairns, i have some very small concerns that i would class as nitpicking so 1st and foremost:

Now that ive softened you up :

-The yellow/green glow in the names on the sea arnt so nice (In my opinion) a different may be better, but im not sure what

- Some terr names are a little unlegable on there backgrounds, e.g. toburk garr 3, Ransdens 50th.

-And the silver boxes in the lower left corner could do with the whites intensity being reduced.

Gimil....those adjustments have been made to Version 25 below, you might need to F5.

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:06 am

cairnswk wrote:?????

aka I would have made some approval stamp, but I can't

(don't want to give you lol paint stamp)

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:06 am

I had some big reserves about the graphics when I first noticed this map, but ive grown to love them

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:11 pm

gimil wrote:I had some big reserves about the graphics when I first noticed this map, but ive grown to love them

I guess this one is a lot like PH Gimil....takes some getting used to.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:30 pm

Wait where does the free french army go?