Netherlands [Quenched]

[RjBeals]

i agree with everything above except for the army circles. they do look out of place and they need a bit of tweaking but removing them completely is wrong.imagine blue armies in zuid. completely unreadable.

good point. Let's see what he decided to do.

[bedub1]

It's clean, easy to understand, looks good. I think the grey territory in the bottom right needs something there so it's not so dull & boring....

[boberz]

glad to see this is still happening good work still looks good and nearly finished?

[Blitzaholic]

this still going thru?

think it would be good idea

[jasnostj]

I personally don't see much need for this map, because it doesn't add an awful lot of detail to the Benelux map (I'd say, throw in some more territories, bonuses, rivers). But if this goes ahead, at least fix the spelling of the territory and continent names. Like the dash between 'Amster' and 'dam', ''Noord', 'South' etc. and 'Nederland', 'Waddeneilanden' as 1 word (you could also just call it 'Wadden'), Goeree-Overflakkee (with 2 k's), etc.

[Coleman]

This is in vacation status.

[bonobo`s son]

I personally don't see much need for this map, because it doesn't add an awful lot of detail to the Benelux map (I'd say, throw in some more territories, bonuses, rivers). But if this goes ahead, at least fix the spelling of the territory and continent names. Like the dash between 'Amster' and 'dam', ''Noord', 'South' etc. and 'Nederland', 'Waddeneilanden' as 1 word (you could also just call it 'Wadden'), Goeree-Overflakkee (with 2 k's), etc.

it is a dutch name so that is fine

[Lone.prophet]

the XML

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
<title>The Netherlands</title>
<smallwidth>541</smallwidth>
<smallheight>640</smallheight>
<largewidth>640</largewidth>
<largeheight>757</largeheight>
<filetype>png</filetype>

	<continent>
<name>Wadden Eilanden</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

	<components>
<component>Texel</component>
<component>Vlieland</component>
<component>Terschelling</component>
<component>Ameland</component>
<component>Schiermonnikoog</component>
</components>
</continent>

	<continent>
<name>Noord Nederland</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>

	<components>
<component>Friesland</component>
<component>Groningen</component>
<component>Drenthe</component>
</components>
</continent>

	<continent>
<name>Midden Nederland</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>

	<components>
<component>Flevoland</component>
<component>Overijsel</component>
<component>Twente</component>
<component>Veluwe</component>
<component>Over Betuwe</component>
<component>Achterhoek</component>
</components>
</continent>

	<continent>
<name>Holland</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>

	<components>
<component>West Friesland</component>
<component>Beemster</component>
<component>Haarlem</component>
<component>Amsterdam</component>
<component>Rijnland</component>
<component>Hoekse Waard</component>
<component>Westland</component>
</components>
</continent>

	<continent>
<name>Utrecht</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>

	<components>
<component>Utrecht</component>
<component>Biesbosch</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Zeeland</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

	<components>
<component>S. Duiveland</component>
<component>G. Overflakkee</component>
<component>Tholen</component>
<component>Beveland</component>
<component>Zeeuws Vlaanderen</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Zuid Nederland</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>

	<components>
<component>Zuid-Limburg</component>
<component>Noord-Limburg</component>
<component>Betuwe</component>
<component>De Peel</component>
<component>Maaskant</component>
<component>Heusden</component>
<component>De Baronie</component>
</components>
</continent>

	<territory>
<name>Schiermonnikoog</name>

	<borders>
<border>Ameland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>380</smallx>
			<smally>40</smally>
			<largex>450</largex>
			<largey>43</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Ameland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Friesland</border>
<border>Terschelling</border>
<border>Schiermonnikoog</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>310</smallx>
			<smally>55</smally>
			<largex>368</largex>
			<largey>61</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Terschelling</name>

	<borders>
<border>Ameland</border>
<border>Vlieland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>249</smallx>
			<smally>70</smally>
			<largex>295</largex>
			<largey>79</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Vlieland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Terschelling</border>
<border>Texel</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>215</smallx>
			<smally>107</smally>
			<largex>255</largex>
			<largey>122</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Texel</name>

	<borders>
<border>Vlieland</border>
<border>West Friesland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>195</smallx>
			<smally>149</smally>
			<largex>232</largex>
			<largey>172</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Friesland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Ameland</border>
<border>West Friesland</border>
<border>Groningen</border>
<border>Drenthe</border>
<border>Overijssel</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>323</smallx>
			<smally>149</smally>
			<largex>383</largex>
			<largey>172</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Groningen</name>

	<borders>
<border>Friesland</border>
<border>Drenthe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>458</smallx>
			<smally>112</smally>
			<largex>543</largex>
			<largey>128</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Drenthe</name>

	<borders>
<border>Friesland</border>
<border>Groningen</border>
<border>Overijsel</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>450</smallx>
			<smally>205</smally>
			<largex>533</largex>
			<largey>238</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Overijsel</name>

	<borders>
<border>Friesland</border>
<border>Drenthe</border>
<border>Flevoland</border>
<border>Veluwe</border>
<border>Twente</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>371</smallx>
			<smally>262</smally>
			<largex>440</largex>
			<largey>306</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Twente</name>

	<borders>
<border>Overijsel</border>
<border>Veluwe</border>
<border>Achterhoek</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>460</smallx>
			<smally>315</smally>
			<largex>545</largex>
			<largey>369</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Achterhoek</name>

	<borders>
<border>Twente</border>
<border>Over Betuwe</border>
<border>Veluwe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>440</smallx>
			<smally>386</smally>
			<largex>521</largex>
			<largey>452</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Veluwe</name>

	<borders>
<border>Overijsel</border>
<border>Twente</border>
<border>Achterhoek</border>
<border>Flevoland</border>
<border>Over Betuwe</border>
<border>Utrecht</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>338</smallx>
			<smally>340</smally>
			<largex>400</largex>
			<largey>398</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Over Betuwe</name>

	<borders>
<border>Betuwe</border>
<border>Veluwe</border>
<border>Achterhoek</border>
<border>Utrecht</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>318</smallx>
			<smally>386</smally>
			<largex>377</largex>
			<largey>453</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Flevoland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Overijsel</border>
<border>Amsterdam</border>
<border>Veluwe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>269</smallx>
			<smally>309</smally>
			<largex>319</largex>
			<largey>362</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>West Friesland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Friesland</border>
<border>Texel</border>
<border>Beemster</border>
<border>Haarlem</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>200</smallx>
			<smally>243</smally>
			<largex>237</largex>
			<largey>283</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Beemster</name>

	<borders>
<border>West Friesland</border>
<border>Haarlem</border>
<border>Amsterdam</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>224</smallx>
			<smally>269</smally>
			<largex>266</largex>
			<largey>314</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Haarlem</name>

	<borders>
<border>Amsterdam</border>
<border>Beemster</border>
<border>West Friesland</border>
<border>Rijnland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>176</smallx>
			<smally>305</smally>
			<largex>209</largex>
			<largey>357</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Amsterdam</name>

	<borders>
<border>Beemster</border>
<border>Haarlem</border>
<border>Rijnland</border>
<border>Utrecht</border>
<border>Flevoland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>216</smallx>
			<smally>333</smally>
			<largex>256</largex>
			<largey>390</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Rijnland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Haarlem</border>
<border>Amsterdam</border>
<border>Utrecht</border>
<border>Westland</border>
<border>Hoekse Waard</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>178</smallx>
			<smally>364</smally>
			<largex>211</largex>
			<largey>426</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Westland</name>

	<borders>
<border>Rijnland</border>
<border>Hoekse Waard</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>141</smallx>
			<smally>387</smally>
			<largex>167</largex>
			<largey>454</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Hoekse Waard</name>

	<borders>
<border>Westland</border>
<border>Utrecht</border>
<border>Biesbosch</border>
<border>G. Overflakkee</border>
<border>Rijnland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>184</smallx>
			<smally>397</smally>
			<largex>218</largex>
			<largey>466</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Utrecht</name>

	<borders>
<border>Amsterdam</border>
<border>Rijnland</border>
<border>Hoekse Waard</border>
<border>Over Betuwe</border>
<border>Biesbosch</border>
<border>Maaskant</border>
<border>Veluwe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>262</smallx>
			<smally>380</smally>
			<largex>311</largex>
			<largey>446</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Biesbosch</name>

	<borders>
<border>Utrecht</border>
<border>Hoekse Waard</border>
<border>De Baronie</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>227</smallx>
			<smally>428</smally>
			<largex>269</largex>
			<largey>502</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>G. Overflakkee</name>

	<borders>
<border>Hoekse Waard</border>
<border>S. Duiveland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>121</smallx>
			<smally>447</smally>
			<largex>144</largex>
			<largey>525</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>S. Duiveland</name>

	<borders>
<border>G. Overflakkee</border>
<border>Tholen</border>
<border>Beveland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>94</smallx>
			<smally>464</smally>
			<largex>112</largex>
			<largey>545</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Beveland</name>

	<borders>
<border>S. Duiveland</border>
<border>Zeeuws Vlaanderen</border>
<border>Tholen</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>73</smallx>
			<smally>526</smally>
			<largex>87</largex>
			<largey>618</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Zeeuws Vlaanderen</name>

	<borders>
<border>Beveland</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>87</smallx>
			<smally>557</smally>
			<largex>104</largex>
			<largey>655</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Tholen</name>

	<borders>
<border>S. Duiveland</border>
<border>Beveland</border>
<border>De Baronie</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>152</smallx>
			<smally>508</smally>
			<largex>180</largex>
			<largey>597</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>De Baronie</name>

	<borders>
<border>Tholen</border>
<border>Biesbosch</border>
<border>Heusden</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>212</smallx>
			<smally>479</smally>
			<largex>252</largex>
			<largey>562</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Heusden</name>

	<borders>
<border>De Baronie</border>
<border>Maaskant</border>
<border>De Peel</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>256</smallx>
			<smally>479</smally>
			<largex>303</largex>
			<largey>563</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

	<territory>
<name>Maaskant</name>

	<borders>
<border>Utrecht</border>
<border>Heusden</border>
<border>De Peel</border>
<border>Betuwe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>319</smallx>
			<smally>458</smally>
			<largex>378</largex>
			<largey>538</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
<name>Betuwe</name>

	<borders>
<border>Noord-Limburg</border>
<border>Maaskant</border>
<border>De Peel</border>
<border>Over Betuwe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>356</smallx>
			<smally>434</smally>
			<largex>422</largex>
			<largey>509</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
<name>De Peel</name>

	<borders>
<border>Noord-Limburg</border>
<border>Maaskant</border>
<border>Heusden</border>
<border>Betuwe</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>321</smallx>
			<smally>517</smally>
			<largex>380</largex>
			<largey>608</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
<name>Noord-Limburg</name>

	<borders>
<border>De Peel</border>
<border>Betuwe</border>
<border>Zuid-Limburg</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>394</smallx>
			<smally>512</smally>
			<largex>467</largex>
			<largey>601</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
<name>Zuid-Limburg</name>

	<borders>
<border>Noord-Limburg</border>
</borders>

	<coordinates>
			<smallx>367</smallx>
			<smally>601</smally>
			<largex>435</largex>
			<largey>707</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
</map>

[Lone.prophet]

and the maps

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Small:

[Lone.prophet]

xml inside the map

[jasnostj]

I personally don't see much need for this map, because it doesn't add an awful lot of detail to the Benelux map (I'd say, throw in some more territories, bonuses, rivers). But if this goes ahead, at least fix the spelling of the territory and continent names. Like the dash between 'Amster' and 'dam', ''Noord', 'South' etc. and 'Nederland', 'Waddeneilanden' as 1 word (you could also just call it 'Wadden'), Goeree-Overflakkee (with 2 k's), etc.

I see some but not all changes, so once more my suggestions for correctly spelled names::
- Waddeneilanden (one word), or simply Wadden
- Noord-Nederland (with dash)
- Midden-Nederland (dito)
- Zuid-Nederland (dito)
- West-Friesland (dito), though 'Kop van Noord-Holland' would be more correct
- Zeeuws-Vlaanderen (dito)
- Goeree-Overflakkee (dito)
- Schouwen-Duiveland (dito), which by the way is not part of the province Zeeland, but of Zuid-Holland
- Over-Betuwe (dito), or Overbetuwe (one word)
- Amsterdam broken off as Amster-dam (dito)
- Hoeksche Waard (with -sch-)

Yes people, lots of dashes in Dutch geographical names.

Besides:
- Beveland, would be more correctly called Walcheren-Beveland
- Hoeksche Waard, is actually quite a small part in the south of the large territory designated as such on this map, most notably including the city of Rotterdam. Since there is also a territory called Amsterdam (and Haarlem), I would suggest renaming this one to 'Rotterdam'
- Westland and Rijnland would more logically be called 'Den Haag' and 'Leiden', respectively

And last, I find this map not detailed enough, would like some more territories than the current 35 to set it further aside from the existing Benelux map (which has 22 territories in the Netherlands), some more continents, and some more overall topographic detail (on the Benelux map the topography of the Netherlands is more detailed and less distorted than on this map!):
- where are Maas and IJssel rivers? See below.
- the bridge from 'Amsterdam' to Flevoland is actually in a horizontal eastward extension along the coast north of Utrecht, called 'Gooi' (it doesn't touch the territory of Veluwe, so gameplay is not affected). See below.
- I miss the connecting dam between West-Friesland and Flevoland, see below.

[Lone.prophet]

quote from gimil

you should be aware that major graphical and gameplay changes dont happen in final forge

plz dont come with big changes than make ur own map, sry if this is a bit blunt

[jasnostj]

quote from gimil

you should be aware that major graphical and gameplay changes dont happen in final forge

plz dont come with big changes than make ur own map, sry if this is a bit blunt

I don't consider spelling corrections big changes (it's not my fault that there are so many of them). And yes, this is blunt, I hoped you would be happy with some constructive feedback (and it should be clear that i did spend some time on compiling it), better late than never I tend to think. And no, I don't think the CC community is waiting for ONE MORE Netherlands map, so that remark is a senseless one.

[AndyDufresne]

I don't think he was talking about your spelling changes, but about the addition of more territories...unless I'm wrong.


--Andy

[jasnostj]

I don't think he was talking about your spelling changes, but about the addition of more territories...unless I'm wrong.


--Andy

I didn't expect him to change that, just gave my opinion.

One question: if you realize you are being blunt when writing a post, why do you still write it, instead of turning the negativism into a positive emotion while you still can? ("Thank you for submitting your extensive feedback, I'll consider it. However, changing the number of territories is out of the question at this stage in the foundry, blah blah blah...) Makes you a nicer person, really.

[gimil]

quote from gimil

you should be aware that major graphical and gameplay changes dont happen in final forge

plz dont come with big changes than make ur own map, sry if this is a bit blunt

This is very ture and i stand by it, if a map has made it to FF then it means that a lack of feedback in the main foundry represented satisfaction with the current maps graphics and gameplay. Any request for major changes in graphics or gameplay can essentailly be ignored (Rebutteled is always better) unless some kind of unsatisfed uprise from te community happends.

e.g. civil war, pugents sounds and even this map has graphical changed forced upon them after FF.

[Unit_2]

The yellow is too bright...

[Lone.prophet]

I don't think he was talking about your spelling changes, but about the addition of more territories...unless I'm wrong.


--Andy

I didn't expect him to change that, just gave my opinion.

One question: if you realize you are being blunt when writing a post, why do you still write it, instead of turning the negativism into a positive emotion while you still can? ("Thank you for submitting your extensive feedback, I'll consider it. However, changing the number of territories is out of the question at this stage in the foundry, blah blah blah...) Makes you a nicer person, really.

maybe i dont want to write so much

[Lone.prophet]

[Ogrecrusher]

The legend font is horrific, the hyphens look like "=" signs...

[Lone.prophet]

i dont see how its horrible

[yeti_c]

Am I seeing double - but this looks massively similar to Benelux!?

C.

[Ogrecrusher]

The white border is too thick on the letters, it looks like there's a ghost set of letters by it. And it makes - look like =

[Gilligan]

Am I seeing double - but this looks massively similar to Benelux!?

C.

Yeti-- This map was in Final Forge with BeNeLux around the same time-- Probably before you were even on CC! Well, maybe a month after.

EDIT: I checked, BeNeLux was Forged on February 6, 2007, and Netherlands was Forged on February 2, 2007.

[Lone.prophet]

thnx gilligan

now people plz comment on the map