Battle of Waterloo [Quenched]

[Herakilla]

i feel like a battle just ended right here lol

[benjikat]

Looking great - I currently have nothing to add. - I just wish there was a playtest area because I always have a few suggestions after a couple of games (especially as to bonus balancing). All serious games development includes playtesting and I wish we had it here.

BTW - how many neutrals on Wellington / Napolean to start? I say 4.

[cairnswk]

i feel like a battle just ended right here lol

Yes Herakilla...but that's what makes this interesting sometimes...having a little battle (polite one) to convince your opponent your point is more correct...although sometimes i tend to just give in! Hehehe !

[cairnswk]

Looking great - I currently have nothing to add. - I just wish there was a playtest area because I always have a few suggestions after a couple of games (especially as to bonus balancing). All serious games development includes playtesting and I wish we had it here.

BTW - how many neutrals on Wellington / Napolean to start? I say 4.

That would be nice to have a play testing area.

4 neutrals sounds very good to me.

[yeti_c]

i feel like a battle just ended right here lol

Yes Herakilla...but that's what makes this interesting sometimes...having a little battle (polite one) to convince your opponent your point is more correct...although sometimes i tend to just give in! Hehehe !

He he he - I don't tend to give up - But I really do think My point was good this time!!!

Cheers Cairns... You're one of the most responsive Cartographers here.

C.

[cairnswk]

Version 20 updates:

Major change to the artillery bombardment...what do you think?



Laynards is starting on the xml....any comments appreciated....this file is nowhere near finished.

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[yeti_c]

Nah - drop the farms and villages...

The troops would've been able to shelter in the farms and villages away from most of the artillery onslaught...

C.

[cairnswk]

Nah - drop the farms and villages...

The troops would've been able to shelter in the farms and villages away from most of the artillery onslaught...

C.

Well...don't forget that villages and farms that were in the line of fire copped it anyways....aims weren't exactkly rocket science in those days like they are supposed to be today.

[yeti_c]

Nah - drop the farms and villages...

The troops would've been able to shelter in the farms and villages away from most of the artillery onslaught...

C.

Well...don't forget that villages and farms that were in the line of fire copped it anyways....aims weren't exactkly rocket science in those days like they are supposed to be today.

I know - but a 2 foot farm wall was a lot better at stopping artillery fire than an open field!?

C.

[cairnswk]

Nah - drop the farms and villages...

The troops would've been able to shelter in the farms and villages away from most of the artillery onslaught...

C.

Well...don't forget that villages and farms that were in the line of fire copped it anyways....aims weren't exactkly rocket science in those days like they are supposed to be today.

I know - but a 2 foot farm wall was a lot better at stopping artillery fire than an open field!?

C.

But it still got battered...and that's the aim of this bombardment isn't it?

[benjikat]

So you want M04 to be able to bombard PL1? - I don't think this is a good idea and (for once) I say keep it simple as was.

[yeti_c]

Nah - drop the farms and villages...

The troops would've been able to shelter in the farms and villages away from most of the artillery onslaught...

C.

Well...don't forget that villages and farms that were in the line of fire copped it anyways....aims weren't exactkly rocket science in those days like they are supposed to be today.

I know - but a 2 foot farm wall was a lot better at stopping artillery fire than an open field!?

C.

But it still got battered...and that's the aim of this bombardment isn't it?

A bit - but the artillery would've more than likely concentrated on the troops in the field...

Anyway - I think it's good to have some safety zones that can't be attacked...

Technically as well - Cavalry would've been poor against farms and villages too...

C.

[cairnswk]

OK....so you don't want to allow bombardments on villages and farms...

how about this...

Artillery: can bombard opposing enemy
marked territory only on same side of Brussels Rd.

[yeti_c]

I think it should be

can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road.

C.

[cairnswk]

I think it should be

can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road.

C.

That's what i had before....but is that explicit enough to say that they are only the french or allied "marked" terts?

[yeti_c]

I think it should be

can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road.

C.

That's what i had before....but is that explicit enough to say that they are only the french or allied "marked" terts?

Yeah I think so...

The Farms and Villages are neutral aren't they?

EDIT -> No they're not...

OK then... perhaps

Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages.

C.

[cairnswk]

That's what i had before....but is that explicit enough to say that they are only the french or allied "marked" terts?

Yeah I think so...
The Farms and Villages are neutral aren't they?
EDIT -> No they're not...
OK then... perhaps
Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages.
C.[/quote]
Yeti_C...exmaine the map below....you will see that the Allies already occupy Hougomont and Papolette....this is because this was their battle ground at the time this map snapshot was taken.
Therefore, i think that the statement must be made that
"Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied marked enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road."
This means that those two farms can be bombarded, but not other villages nor other farms.

[yeti_c]

So are you saying those few farms CAN be bombarded?

I think that adds confusion...

I think

"Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages."

Would be clear concise not confusing and be perfect...

C.

[cairnswk]

So are you saying those few farms CAN be bombarded?

I think that adds confusion...

I think

"Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages."

Would be clear concise not confusing and be perfect...

C.

Disagree...that is not the game play I had in mind...those two farms should have Allied armies on them.
I am quite unwilling and unwanting to change this aspect, so please develop something around this!

[yeti_c]

So are you saying those few farms CAN be bombarded?

I think that adds confusion...

I think

"Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages."

Would be clear concise not confusing and be perfect...

C.

Disagree...that is not the game play I had in mind...those two farms should have Allied armies on them.
I am quite unwilling and unwanting to change this aspect, so please develop something around this!

The farms still have the Allies in them - but they won't be bombarded by the artillery...

[cairnswk]

The farms still have the Allies in them - but they won't be bombarded by the artillery...

Why won't they be bombarded by the artillery?

[Elijah S]

I just want to say this map is great!
Normally I shy away from maps which seem to lean to the complicated side, but this one looks like it'll be a lot of fun to play...

Just a quick note, you misspelled "Wellington" where you state he starts neutral.

Nice work Cairnswk!

[cairnswk]

I just want to say this map is great!
Normally I shy away from maps which seem to lean to the complicated side, but this one looks like it'll be a lot of fun to play...

Just a quick note, you misspelled "Wellington" where you state he starts neutral.

Nice work Cairnswk!

Thanks Elijah S
Please refresh F5 to see the correction in the above map.

[yeti_c]

The farms still have the Allies in them - but they won't be bombarded by the artillery...

Why won't they be bombarded by the artillery?

Because...

"Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages."

C.

[cairnswk]

The farms still have the Allies in them - but they won't be bombarded by the artillery...

Why won't they be bombarded by the artillery?

Because...

"Artillery can Bombard opposing French or Allied enemy territories on the same side of Brussels Road except Farms or Villages."

C.

Sorry to say that exception statement won't be used.