Logic dictates that there is a God!

[MelonanadeMaster]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian !

Is there any logical reason to have morals otherwise?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian !

Is there any logical reason to have morals otherwise?

Wait so are you basically saying that were it not for the fear that you will burn for all eternity in a really nasty place, you would be perfectly ok with killing, maiming and torturing?


No fear no morals?

[MelonanadeMaster]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

It seems you are not aware of the fact that this debate is centered around subjectivity, or objectivity. The idea is that true moral laws are objective. This would require a, as someone so quaintly put it, "supernatural" being.

[Backglass]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

That line is biased, quite simply, a Christian isn't nessasarily a creationist.

Now in addition to stretching, you are putting words in my mouth. Please find the word "christian" anywhere in my post above.

And thank you for not responding to my comments. I accept your defeat.

[Backglass]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

It seems you are not aware of the fact that this debate is centered around subjectivity, or objectivity. The idea is that true moral laws are objective. This would require a, as someone so quaintly put it, "supernatural" being.

I am well aware of this debate thank you, yet you arrive late to the party and pompously proclaim it's direction. Typical.

Correct me if I am wrong but you claim that the fact we have morals is automatically proof of a creator. Your "requirements" are yours alone. You are inventing laws to fit the perceived existence of your fantastical creatures.

Allow me to play your game. Humans emotions are deep seated and diverse. This would obviously require Leprechauns. How else could they have come to exist without our little magical friends?

[comic boy]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian !

Is there any logical reason to have morals otherwise?

I have a set of rules ( morals ) because I choose to live in a manner which does not inconvenience others unduly, got nothing to do with some imaginary Judge.

[hrryflashman]

this thread is embarrassingly bad, third rate and a waste of everyones time.

[Dancing Mustard]

this thread is embarrassingly bad, third rate and a waste of everyones time.

Sounds like it'll suit you just fine then.

[hrryflashman]

"They got me a long time ago, Winston..."

[Snorri1234]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian !

Is there any logical reason to have morals otherwise?

I have a set of rules ( morals ) because I choose to live in a manner which does not inconvenience others unduly, got nothing to do with some imaginary Judge.

Qft. My morals are quite simple and they're based on philosophies that aren't religious. For example; Emanuel Kant (though I don't agree with all of his thoughts) didn't have any absolute morals in his moral philosphy.

[bradleybadly]

/

[Frigidus]

Damn, this thread is 204 pages long!!!!!

I would put myself in the category that believes there's a God. I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to understand what He's all about though. There are so many religions and attempts to try that I figure what's the use sometimes.

You started 205 sir. Check yo facts!

[demon7896]

Fair enough.

finally

[demon7896]

Damn, this thread is 204 pages long!!!!!

I would put myself in the category that believes there's a God. I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to understand what He's all about though. There are so many religions and attempts to try that I figure what's the use sometimes.

You started 205 sir. Check yo facts!

the king of trolls rampages on, with 205 pages under his ever growing waistline

[bradleybadly]

You started 205 sir. Check yo facts!

Yeah, good call. I didn't know it was going to carry over.

[MelonanadeMaster]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

That line is biased, quite simply, a Christian isn't nessasarily a creationist.

Now in addition to stretching, you are putting words in my mouth. Please find the word "christian" anywhere in my post above.

And thank you for not responding to my comments. I accept your defeat.

Let me quote you then "This is the same BS line that Creationists use." I was only annoyed by your sterityping, that is all.

[MelonanadeMaster]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

It seems you are not aware of the fact that this debate is centered around subjectivity, or objectivity. The idea is that true moral laws are objective. This would require a, as someone so quaintly put it, "supernatural" being.

I am well aware of this debate thank you, yet you arrive late to the party and pompously proclaim it's direction. Typical.

Correct me if I am wrong but you claim that the fact we have morals is automatically proof of a creator. Your "requirements" are yours alone. You are inventing laws to fit the perceived existence of your fantastical creatures.

Allow me to play your game. Humans emotions are deep seated and diverse. This would obviously require Leprechauns. How else could they have come to exist without our little magical friends?

I'm glad you've full of sarcasm, something people are pitifully lacking of these days
When I refered to debate I was refering to the specic logic I presented. I will ask you to trust me in what direction I was heading to with my particular case.
I'll gladly correct you. I'm saying that if a set of OBJECTIVE morals exist, it is logical to believe that there is an OBJECTIVE rule giver. On the note of your ever so quaint lephracaun, he, doesn't fare as well, on what a OBJECTIVE god would require, as apposed to the theories ammased over centuries on what such an OBJECTIVE god would be like.

[MelonanadeMaster]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian !

Is there any logical reason to have morals otherwise?

I have a set of rules ( morals ) because I choose to live in a manner which does not inconvenience others unduly, got nothing to do with some imaginary Judge.

Why care, who gives a dill pickle about other people and there convienences!

[jay_a2j]

Then again some people believe in sky daddy so go figure.

Doesn't Backglass have a copyright on that word?

I do.

Skydaddy® - A registered trademark of Backglass Industries.

what is your alternate theory?

Jay believes that all gay people just woke up one day and chose to be attracted to the same sex, live a life of ridicule and often be ostracized by their own family. He also thinks they should just simply choose to be "not gay" and then everything would be OK.

***Steps up to the mic to speak for himself***


Jay believes that there are CAUSES for homosexuality, not that it is a condition people are born with nor "wake up" having. Bottom line is, and this is my opinion, that homosexuality may be demonic. In other words, a demon enters an individual influencing that persons choices. I'm sure you have heard of the spirit of "gluttony", "wrath/anger", maybe even "homosexuality". I believe the Bible when it says, "We fight not against flesh and bone but against powers and principalities"."

[Napoleon Ier]

Then again some people believe in sky daddy so go figure.

Doesn't Backglass have a copyright on that word?

I do.

Skydaddy® - A registered trademark of Backglass Industries.

what is your alternate theory?

Jay believes that all gay people just woke up one day and chose to be attracted to the same sex, live a life of ridicule and often be ostracized by their own family. He also thinks they should just simply choose to be "not gay" and then everything would be OK.

***Steps up to the mic to speak for himself***


Jay believes that there are CAUSES for homosexuality, not that it is a condition people are born with nor "wake up" having. Bottom line is, and this is my opinion, that homosexuality may be demonic. In other words, a demon enters an individual influencing that persons choices. I'm sure you have heard of the spirit of "gluttony", "wrath/anger", maybe even "homosexuality". I believe the Bible when it says, "We fight not against flesh and bone but against powers and principalities"."

Don't ever try and use Christian rationale and metaphorical imagery on non-Christians, they inevitably ridiucle you based on misinterpretations of what you say. I learnt that the hard way.

[unriggable]

Then again some people believe in sky daddy so go figure.

Doesn't Backglass have a copyright on that word?

I do.

Skydaddy® - A registered trademark of Backglass Industries.

what is your alternate theory?

Jay believes that all gay people just woke up one day and chose to be attracted to the same sex, live a life of ridicule and often be ostracized by their own family. He also thinks they should just simply choose to be "not gay" and then everything would be OK.

***Steps up to the mic to speak for himself***


Jay believes that there are CAUSES for homosexuality, not that it is a condition people are born with nor "wake up" having. Bottom line is, and this is my opinion, that homosexuality may be demonic. In other words, a demon enters an individual influencing that persons choices. I'm sure you have heard of the spirit of "gluttony", "wrath/anger", maybe even "homosexuality". I believe the Bible when it says, "We fight not against flesh and bone but against powers and principalities"."

Homosexuality is a gene and I think identical twins are enough to prove it.

[Napoleon Ier]

There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE FOR A GAY GENE.

I'll repeat so it is clear.

All your premises for discourse on homosexuality are wrong.

[PhatJoey]

You are the embodiment of nearly everything that I hate most about this country.

Then do us all a favor and leave. I hear there are jobs for you in Mexico.

[jay_a2j]

Leprechauns are real and I think the picture on any box of Lucky Charms are enough to prove it.

We all have opinions.

[Dancing Mustard]

There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE FOR A GAY GENE.

I'll repeat so it is clear.

All your premises for discourse on homosexuality are wrong.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE FOR A GOD OR FOR THE EXISTANCE OF MAGICAL 'GAY DEMONS'.

I'll repeat so it is clear.

All your premises for discourse on homosexuality are wrong




Whoopee! I too can screech and howl idiotic comments that have no basis in fact or logic, and then proceed to provide no evidence for them!

I AM THE WINNER!!!!