Logic dictates that there is a God!

[jay_a2j]

im sorry, this just killed me. I have fed the king of trolls. does the non-god thing have to be eternal??????!!!! NO!!!!! I only has to happen so that some bacteria are made, then evolve!!!!!

Really? It doesn't have to be eternal? Then when and how did it get here?

look. To fire a gun you only need a little time of discharge, same with this

Wrong...the gun exists and it was created someplace.

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that's ridiculous response and you know it. Fine. I'll spell it out for you. The big bang only had to last a while for the universe to escape. A flash of lighting was all that was needed to trigger the primordial soup. And a little bit of knowledge is all YOU'LL need to understand this for a long time.

And, as we all know, "flashes of lightning" are commonplace in the presence of NOTHING!

[demon7896]

im sorry, this just killed me. I have fed the king of trolls. does the non-god thing have to be eternal??????!!!! NO!!!!! I only has to happen so that some bacteria are made, then evolve!!!!!

Really? It doesn't have to be eternal? Then when and how did it get here?

look. To fire a gun you only need a little time of discharge, same with this

Wrong...the gun exists and it was created someplace.

\
that's ridiculous response and you know it. Fine. I'll spell it out for you. The big bang only had to last a while for the universe to escape. A flash of lighting was all that was needed to trigger the primordial soup. And a little bit of knowledge is all YOU'LL need to understand this for a long time.

And, as we all know, "flashes of lightning" are commonplace in the presence of NOTHING!

no. atmosphere, static electricity, the list goes on and on... which, i might add, are all the result of the big bang, caused by the non eternal flash

[jay_a2j]

Really? It doesn't have to be eternal? Then when and how did it get here?

look. To fire a gun you only need a little time of discharge, same with this

Wrong...the gun exists and it was created someplace.

\
that's ridiculous response and you know it. Fine. I'll spell it out for you. The big bang only had to last a while for the universe to escape. A flash of lighting was all that was needed to trigger the primordial soup. And a little bit of knowledge is all YOU'LL need to understand this for a long time.

And, as we all know, "flashes of lightning" are commonplace in the presence of NOTHING!

no. atmosphere, static electricity, the list goes on and on... which, i might add, are all the result of the big bang, caused by the non eternal flash

A non-eternal flash that came from WHERE????? So, this flash appeared out of nowhere, caused the big bang and was gone, never to be heard from or seen again? Umm ok.....I don't have THAT MUCH FAITH!

[demon7896]

look. To fire a gun you only need a little time of discharge, same with this

Wrong...the gun exists and it was created someplace.

\
that's ridiculous response and you know it. Fine. I'll spell it out for you. The big bang only had to last a while for the universe to escape. A flash of lighting was all that was needed to trigger the primordial soup. And a little bit of knowledge is all YOU'LL need to understand this for a long time.

And, as we all know, "flashes of lightning" are commonplace in the presence of NOTHING!

no. atmosphere, static electricity, the list goes on and on... which, i might add, are all the result of the big bang, caused by the non eternal flash

A non-eternal flash that came from WHERE????? So, this flash appeared out of nowhere, caused the big bang and was gone, never to be heard from or seen again? Umm ok.....I don't have THAT MUCH FAITH!

you have a point. you just pointed out the one thing that doesn't make me an atheist. But, yes it was never seen or heard from again. The thing that bothers me is not the flash, but what caused it. However, i don't believe in you so called miracles.

[jay_a2j]

Fair enough.

[MelonanadeMaster]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

[MeDeFe]

Of course there are moral codes, it's just that we (humanity) have made them up ourselves.

[comic boy]

Evil is something made by humans to scare other humans - nothing more, nothing less.

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian !

[Bavarian Raven]

So you think that you have to worship a supernatural being in order to have morals ? You will have noted that the Nebraska gunman was a church going Christian

and in his head he was not doing anything wrong or evil...

evil is just a concept we created to punish people doing things we don't like. ex: mr. cat kills a mouse. is the cat evil? no, we praise the cat. but if the mice could talk i am sure they would say something different...

[Backglass]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

[unriggable]

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enZ ... les%5El894

[Dancing Mustard]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

True story.

If you'd like a real life example of a 'legal system', or 'code of laws' that exists without a 'law giver' (Or H.L.A. Hart's 'Rule of Recognition') then you need look no further than the current system of international law.

[jay_a2j]

Of course there are moral codes, it's just that we (humanity) have made them up ourselves.

You ever do something and then feel real bad about it? I wonder what that is? If we just made the moral code up....how come sometimes we can feel things like regret?

[unriggable]

Of course there are moral codes, it's just that we (humanity) have made them up ourselves.

You ever do something and then feel real bad about it? I wonder what that is? If we just made the moral code up....how come sometimes we can feel things like regret?

Look at the link above.

[jay_a2j]

Of course there are moral codes, it's just that we (humanity) have made them up ourselves.

You ever do something and then feel real bad about it? I wonder what that is? If we just made the moral code up....how come sometimes we can feel things like regret?

Look at the link above.

Well, first I don't take science as the be all that ends all as some do. Also, I don't buy it. A gene for altruism? Remember now...some people believe in a "gay gene".

[Dancing Mustard]

Of course there are moral codes, it's just that we (humanity) have made them up ourselves.

You ever do something and then feel real bad about it? I wonder what that is? If we just made the moral code up....how come sometimes we can feel things like regret?

Because we've been taught to feel bad about it. Obv.

It's simple stuff Jay, people who are brought up without being told certain things are wrong don't feel regret when they do them. Children brought up by thieves don't feel regret when they steal, simple stuff.

Case in point: you've been brought up being told that homosexuality is wrong, so you'd feel regret if you had a homosexual encounter. A lot of people aren't brought up that way, so feel no regret at all when they have one.

Sorry to break it to you like this, but morality is a subjective thing that is all to do with our upbringing. People don't feel regret because God is tapping them on the shoulder and tutting disapprovingly... that's just you kidding yourself.

[Dancing Mustard]

Well, first I don't take science as the be all that ends all as some do. Also, I don't buy it. A gene for altruism? Remember now...some people believe in a "gay gene".

I'm afraid I don't take the icon as the be all that ends all as some do. I don't buy it. Would you care to rationally or logically explain why the concept of a "gay gene" is in any way implausible?

[jay_a2j]

Well, first I don't take science as the be all that ends all as some do. Also, I don't buy it. A gene for altruism? Remember now...some people believe in a "gay gene".

I'm afraid I don't take the icon as the be all that ends all as some do. I don't buy it. Would you care to rationally or logically explain why the concept of a "gay gene" is in any way implausible?

I believe luns has addressed this issue quite well in another thread.

[Dancing Mustard]

O RLY?

[Balsiefen]

Well, first I don't take science as the be all that ends all as some do. Also, I don't buy it. A gene for altruism? Remember now...some people believe in a "gay gene".

I'm afraid I don't take the icon as the be all that ends all as some do. I don't buy it. Would you care to rationally or logically explain why the concept of a "gay gene" is in any way implausible?

I believe luns has addressed this issue quite well in another thread.

Care to post a link?

While it may not be the best reason i dont see why a mutaiton or a ressesive trait may not lead to someone being gay, what is your alternate theory?

[unriggable]

Of course there are moral codes, it's just that we (humanity) have made them up ourselves.

You ever do something and then feel real bad about it? I wonder what that is? If we just made the moral code up....how come sometimes we can feel things like regret?

Look at the link above.

Well, first I don't take science as the be all that ends all as some do. Also, I don't buy it. A gene for altruism? Remember now...some people believe in a "gay gene".

Then again some people believe in sky daddy so go figure.

[jay_a2j]

Then again some people believe in sky daddy so go figure.

Doesn't Backglass have a copyright on that word?

[Snorri1234]

Well, first I don't take science as the be all that ends all as some do. Also, I don't buy it. A gene for altruism? Remember now...some people believe in a "gay gene".

I'm afraid I don't take the icon as the be all that ends all as some do. I don't buy it. Would you care to rationally or logically explain why the concept of a "gay gene" is in any way implausible?

I believe luns has addressed this issue quite well in another thread.

No he didn't.

[Backglass]

Then again some people believe in sky daddy so go figure.

Doesn't Backglass have a copyright on that word?

I do.

Skydaddy® - A registered trademark of Backglass Industries.

what is your alternate theory?

Jay believes that all gay people just woke up one day and chose to be attracted to the same sex, live a life of ridicule and often be ostracized by their own family. He also thinks they should just simply choose to be "not gay" and then everything would be OK.

[MelonanadeMaster]

if there is a code of moral laws, then there must be a law giver

Why must there be? I don't see why one demands the other in any way.

This is the same BS line that Creationists use. "It is FAR to complex for us to understand, therefor it must have had a designer".

So you believe this, you should believe there are no moral codes, no? If so what's wrong if I went on a seven month murder streak killing small children?

Again...you are reaching. In your mind morailty and religion MUST be hand in hand. This is false.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in fantasy creatures in order to live a moral life. Millions do it, every day.

That line is biased, quite simply, a Christian isn't nessasarily a creationist.