Hillary Clinton

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:03 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?

What else would those sperm ever be? They have no way of being anything else... Surely you are killing a child every time you don't use a sperm to create a fertilized embryo... In fact, being celibate for life is killing thousands of children... Naughty naughty monks, eh?!

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:06 pm

Guiscard wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?
What else would those sperm ever be? They have no way of being anything else... Surely you are killing a child every time you don't use a sperm to create a fertilized embryo... In fact, being celibate for life is killing thousands of children... Naughty naughty monks, eh?!

Your mocking is wasted on me.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:09 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What else would those sperm ever be? They have no way of being anything else... Surely you are killing a child every time you don't use a sperm to create a fertilized embryo... In fact, being celibate for life is killing thousands of children... Naughty naughty monks, eh?!
Your mocking is wasted on me.

Or you could explain how that ISN'T killing a potential child...

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:10 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?
What else would those sperm ever be? They have no way of being anything else... Surely you are killing a child every time you don't use a sperm to create a fertilized embryo... In fact, being celibate for life is killing thousands of children... Naughty naughty monks, eh?!
Your mocking is wasted on me.

And the "it will be a human" line of reasoning is wasted on us. Actually, you know what? I'm in too many arguments on this site right now. I won't sway your beliefs and you likely won't sway mine. I'm out before the argument devolves into thinly veiled insults.

colly · Post by **colly** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:11 pm

My point of view on abortion is if you were irresponsable enough to have unportected sex you should be willing to pay the price.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:13 pm

Guiscard wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What else would those sperm ever be? They have no way of being anything else... Surely you are killing a child every time you don't use a sperm to create a fertilized embryo... In fact, being celibate for life is killing thousands of children... Naughty naughty monks, eh?!
Your mocking is wasted on me.
Or you could explain how that ISN'T killing a potential child...

That's NOT being celibate, to begin with.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:14 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:yes Guiscard... that's right....Jews and Negroes can't feel a thing either, lets slaughter and enslave them....

You really are ridiculous. The cerebral cortex forms at around 54 days, and fetal pain is possible at probably 12 weeks. Scientists aren't sure.
Are you actualy saying that killing an innocent human is aceptable?
The cerebral cortex being formed does not mean it can think.
Stop your charades. Children being "terminated" are seen struggling away from the executioner's tools with a foufold increased hear rate as early as 10 weeks.

Well bacteria try to get away from stuff too. Does this mean those bacteria are sentient?
Are you a vegitarian? Because I'm sure animals try to avoid being eaten too.

Stuff like that is a reflex, not a proof of sentience. A cell of your body reacts to stuff too, but that doesn't mean they're sentient.

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:16 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?

But you didnt answer my question,should we also ban masturbation etc etc and if not then why not. Im not having a go at your beliefs ,simply asking you to explain at what point a sperm becomes a child - because the medical experts disagree with you !

sangfroid · Post by **sangfroid** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:18 pm

colly wrote:My point of view on abortion is if you were irresponsable enough to have unportected sex you should be willing to pay the price.

Spelling Nazis strike!!

My point of view on abortion is if you were irresponsible enough to have unprotected sex, you should be willing to pay the price.

There's a massive assumption in that statement, so I'll ignore it. You were irresponsible with your education and now I have to pay the price??

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:23 pm

colly wrote:My point of view on abortion is if you were irresponsable enough to have unportected sex you should be willing to pay the price.

Well there is a price to pay,neither an unwanted pregnancy nor an abortion can be very pleasant. Of course that price is only paid by the women so perhaps she alone should have the right to decide what is best.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:24 pm

comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?
But you didnt answer my question,should we also ban masturbation etc etc and if not then why not. Im not having a go at your beliefs ,simply asking you to explain at what point a sperm becomes a child - because the medical experts disagree with you !

Frankly, I don't masturbate, and if it was outlawed, it would probably end up being worse then then Prohibition ever was. Not to mention it would probably have little effect at all. I do not, personally, believe people should masturbate, and quite frankly, I am a bit doubtful of the experts. How would they know if the baby is in pain or not?

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What else would those sperm ever be? They have no way of being anything else... Surely you are killing a child every time you don't use a sperm to create a fertilized embryo... In fact, being celibate for life is killing thousands of children... Naughty naughty monks, eh?!
Your mocking is wasted on me.
Or you could explain how that ISN'T killing a potential child...
That's NOT being celibate, to begin with.

Uhm, your body is still producing sperm and that just dies when it's not used.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:28 pm

would still get it.
Imagine her in rubber dribble dribble

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:04 pm

colly wrote:My point of view on abortion is if you were irresponsable enough to have unportected sex you should be willing to pay the price.

What about rape? What about if the condom breaks? What if the mother is mentally ill? What if the baby will be in constant pain until the age of five and then die anyway? What if it is a 12 or 13 year old girl?

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:26 pm

Guiscard wrote:What about rape? What about if the condom breaks? What if the mother is mentally ill? What if the baby will be in constant pain until the age of five and then die anyway? What if it is a 12 or 13 year old girl?

Doesn't matter, it's god will... He's so evil that way.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:27 pm

hilary in cat suit aaaagh

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:29 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?
But you didnt answer my question,should we also ban masturbation etc etc and if not then why not. Im not having a go at your beliefs ,simply asking you to explain at what point a sperm becomes a child - because the medical experts disagree with you !
Frankly, I don't masturbate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

why ever not?

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:30 pm

hilary making me beg aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh

bradleybadly · Post by **bradleybadly** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:14 pm

Heimdall wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Good. So you agree that abortion is wrong, if the right to life is sacred?
I do not believe the right to life is "sacred". I believe in the greater good.

WTF????

Then stay the hell away from my family.

radiojake · Post by **radiojake** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:35 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote: The idea that people who will be born to live a short and painful life is should be killed is revolting to me

You've been asked before but I didn't see a reply. So do you eat meat Napoleon? Meat that is processed in the current state of slaughterhouses? Because cows/pigs/chickens are bred, reared in captivity, pumped full of drugs and then culled for our convenience. A living breathing cow that is a sentient being should have more rights than a 8 week fetus that was an unplanned pregnancy, and where the child would have a shitty upbringing if the parent's were able or ready to cope with raising a child.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:14 pm

radiojake wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote: The idea that people who will be born to live a short and painful life is should be killed is revolting to me

You've been asked before but I didn't see a reply. So do you eat meat Napoleon? Meat that is processed in the current state of slaughterhouses? Because cows/pigs/chickens are bred, reared in captivity, pumped full of drugs and then culled for our convenience. A living breathing cow that is a sentient being should have more rights than a 8 week fetus that was an unplanned pregnancy, and where the child would have a shitty upbringing if the parent's were able or ready to cope with raising a child.

... Good word, "culled", sounds spooky.

...

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:37 am

comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.
Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?
But you didnt answer my question,should we also ban masturbation etc etc and if not then why not. Im not having a go at your beliefs ,simply asking you to explain at what point a sperm becomes a child - because the medical experts disagree with you !

They dont though, quite clearly. there is a raging controversy. Why do you think Canada allows abortion at any point, France only to 12 weeks, UK to 24 (whilst a child has been born already at 20 weeks, therefore meaning UK law would treat its killing as entirely permissible).

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:57 pm

So, let's assume the fetus can feel pain: why not anesthetize them?

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:00 pm

Neoteny wrote:So, let's assume the fetus can feel pain: why not anesthetize them?

why not anesthetize a 3 yr old because he's inconveniencing the parents then use a suction pump to tear him limb from limb?

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:07 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:So, let's assume the fetus can feel pain: why not anesthetize them?
why not anesthetize a 3 yr old because he's inconveniencing the parents then use a suction pump to tear him limb from limb?

Because if they wanted an abortion they should have gotten one before it could be considered a human. Next?