Hillary Clinton

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:09 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.
How wonderfully ironic.

Go figure. A few cells are more human than a doctor. Who knew?

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:12 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.
How wonderfully ironic.

QFT really i mean i dont know how you can think statements like that give you any crediblility at all napoleon.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:15 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.
How wonderfully ironic.
QFT really i mean i dont know how you can think statements like that give you any crediblility at all napoleon.

Especially on top of harping on about some inane link between abortion rates and immigration problems...

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:16 pm

Neoteny wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.
How wonderfully ironic.
Go figure. A few cells are more human than a doctor. Who knew?

An innocent child is more human than a barbaric murderer

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:18 pm

Guiscard wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.
How wonderfully ironic.
QFT really i mean i dont know how you can think statements like that give you any crediblility at all napoleon.
Especially on top of harping on about some inane link between abortion rates and immigration problems...

More abortion from autochtones [as is the case] = more immigrants/native

It isn't difficult Guiscard

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:24 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.
How wonderfully ironic.
Go figure. A few cells are more human than a doctor. Who knew?
An innocent child is more human than a barbaric murderer

Yeh yeh. You do realise that the thing in the picture cannot feel pain, is not aware of itself, cannot exist outside of the amniotic fluid, the organs are not functioning, cannot think in any meaningful way...

It is no more a child than any other clump of cells in the body.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:29 pm

yes Guiscard... that's right....Jews and Negroes can't feel a thing either, lets slaughter and enslave them....

You really are ridiculous. The cerebral cortex forms at around 54 days, and fetal pain is possible at probably 12 weeks. Scientists aren't sure.
Are you actualy saying that killing an innocent human is aceptable?

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:31 pm

Napoleon wrote: An innocent child is more human than a barbaric murderer

didn't want to go there but if you want to use pictures to play on emotions of people, then 2 can play that game.

Should of been aborted:

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:32 pm

Ridiculous. So you're saying that people with dissabilities ought to be aborted?
In fact, then, when they're born, indeed gorwn u, why not just kill them? Your arguments are pathetic.

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:35 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Ridiculous. So you're saying that people with dissabilities ought to be aborted?
In fact, then, when they're born, indeed gorwn u, why not just kill them? Your arguments are pathetic.

No i'm saying that parents should have the choice of having an abortion if the alternative is a lifetime of pain and suffering. It's called mercy killing.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:41 pm

Heimdall wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Ridiculous. So you're saying that people with dissabilities ought to be aborted?
In fact, then, when they're born, indeed gorwn u, why not just kill them? Your arguments are pathetic.
No i'm saying that parents should have the choice of having an abortion if the alternative is a lifetime of pain and suffering. It's called mercy killing.

1/ An infintessimaly small proportion of the yearly rate of abortions in the tens of millions occur for this reason.
2/ The right for (even disabled) people to live is sacred. You can't say that they're life won't be worth it, so they can die. I for one know plenty of people with disablitites able to lead good lives despite what they're going through you. I object to you saying their life isn't right.
3/By your reasoning, we should round up and kill all those who have disablities since that's what is best. Well, for once I'm the one saying it : Your view mirrors that of National Socialist policy in Germany.
There's a right to euthanasia, even as a catholic I admit it, but to just kill a child without the choice is unacceptable.

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:44 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:1/ An infintessimaly small proportion of the yearly rate of abortions in the tens of millions occur for this reason.

Are you against these abortions as well?

Napoleon Ier wrote:2/ The right for (even disabled) people to live is sacred. You can't say that they're life won't be worth it, so they can die. I for ne know plenty of people with disablitites able to lead good lives despite what they're going through you. I object to you saying their life isn't right.

I did not say that, don't make stuff up. I know plenty of disabled people as well and i'm glad they are alive.

Napoleon Ier wrote:3/By your reasoning, we should round up and kill all those who have disablities since that's what is best. Well, for once I'm the one saying it : Your view mirrors that of National Socialist policy in Germany.

I won't bother argusing with you if you're going to put words into my mouth.

Napoleon Ier wrote:There's a right to euthanasia, even as a catholic I admit it, but to just kill a child without the choice is unacceptable.

We are talking about fetuses here, not children. geez

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:49 pm

Good. So you agree that abortion is wrong, if the right to life is sacred?

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:56 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Good. So you agree that abortion is wrong, if the right to life is sacred?

I do not believe the right to life is "sacred". I believe in the greater good.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:00 pm

Heimdall wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Good. So you agree that abortion is wrong, if the right to life is sacred?
I do not believe the right to life is "sacred". I believe in the greater good.

The idea that people who will be born to live a short and painful life is should be killed is revolting to me, but I can see where you're coming from. I think however we are in no position to dictate who lives and who doesn't. There should always be a right to live, not a culture of death. As you say, plenty live with disability. Let the unborn at least have a chance at life.

However, when you say a woman's "right" to get knocked up then a kill an innocent life to keep advancing her career for a few months I amoutraged.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:12 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:yes Guiscard... that's right....Jews and Negroes can't feel a thing either, lets slaughter and enslave them....

You really are ridiculous. The cerebral cortex forms at around 54 days, and fetal pain is possible at probably 12 weeks. Scientists aren't sure.
Are you actualy saying that killing an innocent human is aceptable?

The cerebral cortex being formed does not mean it can think.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:21 pm

One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:29 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.

What it is going to be isn't the issue. At 12 weeks it isn't, in fact, yet a human. That doesn't justify abortion, but it is true. From my view having an abortion is hardly different from pulling the plug on someone with brain damage. Neither one could survive without assistance and neither one possesses the mental component of being human. Not to mention that the brain-damaged one doesn't pose nearly as much of a crushing financial and social impediment as raising a child for 18 years does.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:36 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:yes Guiscard... that's right....Jews and Negroes can't feel a thing either, lets slaughter and enslave them....

You really are ridiculous. The cerebral cortex forms at around 54 days, and fetal pain is possible at probably 12 weeks. Scientists aren't sure.
Are you actualy saying that killing an innocent human is aceptable?
The cerebral cortex being formed does not mean it can think.

Stop your charades. Children being "terminated" are seen struggling away from the executioner's tools with a foufold increased hear rate as early as 10 weeks.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:37 pm

Frigidus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
What it is going to be isn't the issue. At 12 weeks it isn't, in fact, yet a human. That doesn't justify abortion, but it is true. From my view having an abortion is hardly different from pulling the plug on someone with brain damage. Neither one could survive without assistance and neither one possesses the mental component of being human. Not to mention that the brain-damaged one doesn't pose nearly as much of a crushing financial and social impediment as raising a child for 18 years does.

Ok. So pulling the plug on someone without their consent andabout to be healed in 9 months for near certainty isn't wrong?

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:37 pm

Frigidus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
What it is going to be isn't the issue. At 12 weeks it isn't, in fact, yet a human. That doesn't justify abortion, but it is true. From my view having an abortion is hardly different from pulling the plug on someone with brain damage. Neither one could survive without assistance and neither one possesses the mental component of being human. Not to mention that the brain-damaged one doesn't pose nearly as much of a crushing financial and social impediment as raising a child for 18 years does.

But not all abortions are on mentally handicapped (or soon to be) babies. Many are done because many High School, Junior High, and College girls can't seem to keep their pants on anymore. There are exceptions to those, they will at least give birth to the baby, and the ones that I know, have decided to take care of that baby, and they do not regret it.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:43 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:yes Guiscard... that's right....Jews and Negroes can't feel a thing either, lets slaughter and enslave them....

You really are ridiculous. The cerebral cortex forms at around 54 days, and fetal pain is possible at probably 12 weeks. Scientists aren't sure.
Are you actualy saying that killing an innocent human is aceptable?

I talked about the pain reflex on another thread, must we go through this again?

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:48 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.

You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:56 pm

comic boy wrote:You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical professionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personally take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising their own free will.

Bravo, well said.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:57 pm

comic boy wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:One thing to say about this abortion buisness here, that fetus isn't going to be anything other then a human being, whether you like it or not. Those babies have as much right to have a life as you or I do.
You could extend that to every sperm,should we ban masturbation and all contraception including withdrawal ? Effectively a line must be drawn and the people who draw that line are medical profesionals who are not in the business of murdering children. You have every right to personaly take a moral stance on abortion and nobody will ever force a member of your family to have one, you do not however have any right whatsoever to prevent others from exercising thier own free will. You have Irish connections I believe so you might want to read up about the thousands of young Catholic girls who were sent over to England to have abortions , the hypocrisy involved may well shock you.

Irish descent, yes. With some distant relatives that we keep in contact with. Call it what you want, but my beliefs are that abortion is killing innocent children, because what else would those fetuses ever be?