Hillary Clinton

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:53 pm

viperbitex wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
radiojake wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:raised taxes, bigger government, abortion, gay marriag, all the tipcal democrat B.S.
OH NOES! Teh Democrats will destroy the universe with their slightly less right viewpoints! WE'S ALL GONNA DIE!
...Meh. I find it very wierd how seriously some of the US seems to take it's politics...

Neutrino! You forget that they have their nice cosy little view of the world, and if anything slightly different comes along, they have to get the pitchforks out and chase em outta town!! YEEE-HAAAWW
You forgot shotguns.
Lethal force: the only way to go.
No. You don't understand what these things would do to the economy. U.S. s a capitalistic society. + Gay marriage and abortion are against what the Bible says. America was fonded as a Christine country and they are trying to turn it into everything against Christian beliefs.
This isn't a theocracy we are democratic/capitalist nation.

Don't like it? Move to Vatican City or Bosnia

Democratic Republic, to be more percise. Capitalism is a form of economy, not government, basically what Communism was intended to be as well.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:33 pm

Wait, did you just say Communism was supposed to be Capitalism? First off, that may be the wrongest thing ever. Not really related to Hilary Clinton, either, but still, communism was conceived as the alternative to capitalism.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:36 pm

spurgistan wrote:Wait, did you just say Communism was supposed to be Capitalism? First off, that may be the wrongest thing ever. Not really related to Hilary Clinton, either, but still, communism was conceived as the alternative to capitalism.

No that communism was supposed to be a form of economy, not government.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:38 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:is a commie.
That's a perfect reason why she's in the Republican party, right?
She's a democrat.

wow, thought all knew this

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:59 pm

Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?

We know what Roe v Wade did to the crime rate 16 years later...

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:20 pm

[quote="heavycola"]Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
[quote]

help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:28 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)

What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:38 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Hyperbole was used...Hillary is still by far the hardest left-winger ever to tarnish US politics.

So vote RON PAUL. Or HUCKABEE, because RP isnt really a realistic option. Still, I like the guy.
Are you serious? She isn't a left winger, Napoleon, thats the whole point... You could perhaps accuse her of being the most centrist or perhaps populiast, but not Leftist!
I suppose Id take issue with that graph. I'll admit im no expertl, but Hillary has just said some outrageous things.
Outrageous doesn't mean left-wing... Care to name some of those things?

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Thats basically Socialism. She also repeadtly hypertrophisizes a material society over individual rights

The full quote reads "Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

As in, they're not going to continue tax cuts. Not giving tax cuts. Not socialism. She isn't nationalising anything, the state is not to own means of production... Advocating a slightly stronger stance on taxation is not socialism, Napoleon, and you should well know that. You're not an idiot, and this isn't the Cold War. Compare her to someone like Chavez and what have you got? A right of centre populist politician whose stance differs very little from anyone else in the race.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:45 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...

That damn gay marriage and abortion! I mean, I live in a country with the most lenient laws concerning them and I don't actually see all them immigrants taking over our stuff! But they're planning too! The fact that it's still much harder for them to get jobs because of the racism that still exist won't stop them!

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:49 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...
That damn gay marriage and abortion! I mean, I live in a country with the most lenient laws concerning them and I don't actually see all them immigrants taking over our stuff! But they're planning too! The fact that it's still much harder for them to get jobs because of the racism that still exist won't stop them!

Well, you'll have to employ the towelheads now the workforce is off marrying their own gender and killing their babies... Who will pick all the tulips and make all those clogs, eh? eh?

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:54 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...

badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:57 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...
badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...

Because obviously those immigrants wouldn't make use of gay marriage and abortion.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:05 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...
badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...

Any proof whatsoever, Napoleon, or just ludicrous right-wing rhetoric as usual?

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:31 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

Wha...? What does dead children have to do with pensions and the economy, have to do with gay marriage?
Please, explain for us mere mortals how these three quite seperate things are related.

Napoleon Ier wrote: In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...

1. You are not "the natives"

2. Dosen't it strike you even remotely likely that some of these people work? Especially in countries with no welfare system to speak of, someone with 4 wives and a half-dozen kids is going to have to work significantly harder to support them than the majority of the "native" population.

3. Western civilization is degrading their culture, they're degrading yours. It's a fair trade.

PerkinsRooster · Post by **PerkinsRooster** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:32 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...
badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...

You'd better start talking more nicely about immigrants, Nappy. You realize that soon you will be a visible minority.

What exactly are you paying for? Immigrants do work, do they not? Why does is repulse you that you are helping to pay for little Ahmed to attend public school in Charlotte?

What exactly do you mean by 'American culture'? If I had to guess it would be the traditions and interests brought over to America from....immigrants. Yes, yes I know they were white immigrants mind you but immigrants none-the-less.

And if you really are a cultural traditionalist, you must be appalled by the culture that really WAS degraded about 500 years ago....by your (our) white european ancestors.

The world changes, culture changes. Of all the people in the world an American should surely understand that.

Mr_Adams · Post by **Mr_Adams** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:43 pm

where did this conversation start? Who sayed they dislike imigrants?

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:09 pm

PerkinsRooster wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...
badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...
You'd better start talking more nicely about immigrants, Nappy. You realize that soon you will be a visible minority.

What exactly are you paying for? Immigrants do work, do they not? Why does is repulse you that you are helping to pay for little Ahmed to attend public school in Charlotte?

What exactly do you mean by 'American culture'? If I had to guess it would be the traditions and interests brought over to America from....immigrants. Yes, yes I know they were white immigrants mind you but immigrants none-the-less.

And if you really are a cultural traditionalist, you must be appalled by the culture that really WAS degraded about 500 years ago....by your (our) white european ancestors.

The world changes, culture changes. Of all the people in the world an American should surely understand that.

I thought he lived in France...

Mr_Adams · Post by **Mr_Adams** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:17 pm

that's it? oh well. good night all!!!

PerkinsRooster · Post by **PerkinsRooster** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:30 pm

Frigidus wrote:
PerkinsRooster wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
What?

What have Muslims got to do with gay marriage and abortion?

Abortion has been legal in the UK for some time, and although gay marriage has been legalised only recently homosexual partnerships have been perfectly legal for a long time also... I doubt you'd find any evidence of any effect on the workforce whatsoever...
badly written post sorry

but with 225.000 children murdered per year, and the huge generation problem (pensions, workforce decline etc...), the economy is heavily impacted.
Gay Marriage affects society which indirectly affects economy, but lets not go down that road again.

In Many countries, mine included, allogenous populations reproduce a lot faster than natives. This leads to us having to pay for them, nd to ourculture being degraded etc...
You'd better start talking more nicely about immigrants, Nappy. You realize that soon you will be a visible minority.

What exactly are you paying for? Immigrants do work, do they not? Why does is repulse you that you are helping to pay for little Ahmed to attend public school in Charlotte?

What exactly do you mean by 'American culture'? If I had to guess it would be the traditions and interests brought over to America from....immigrants. Yes, yes I know they were white immigrants mind you but immigrants none-the-less.

And if you really are a cultural traditionalist, you must be appalled by the culture that really WAS degraded about 500 years ago....by your (our) white european ancestors.

The world changes, culture changes. Of all the people in the world an American should surely understand that.
I thought he lived in France...

Ah, assumed since it was a Hillary thread he was american. My bad! I guess I'll have to save that rant and post it again later. Anyway, ya French culture is on the A-train to extinction, no argument from me on that.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:38 am

spurgistan wrote:Wait, did you just say Communism was supposed to be Capitalism? First off, that may be the wrongest thing ever. Not really related to Hilary Clinton, either, but still, communism was conceived as the alternative to capitalism.

In relation to it. I was saying that neither of them were (meant to be, anyways) types of government, only forms of economy. That's what I meant, sorry for the mix up.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:23 am

This thread is Huge.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:24 am

Snorri1234 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... From Iowa today:

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday that Barack Obama has too little experience and perhaps too much ambition, pressing an increasingly aggressive campaign against her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Both candidates were in Iowa, one month before the nation's leadoff caucuses with new polls showing Obama had whittled away her early lead and they were virtually tied among Democrats in the state.

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one ... or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate," Clinton said.

... See what I'm talking about? (see prev.) Precisely what experience this woman has, I want to know, aside from being married to Bill, that is.

...
Oh no, clearly having ambition is BAD!

Caesar had ambition.

Oh wait, I think you're right. That really worked out for him.

Nevermind.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:55 am

reverend_kyle wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... From Iowa today:

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday that Barack Obama has too little experience and perhaps too much ambition, pressing an increasingly aggressive campaign against her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Both candidates were in Iowa, one month before the nation's leadoff caucuses with new polls showing Obama had whittled away her early lead and they were virtually tied among Democrats in the state.

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one ... or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate," Clinton said.

... See what I'm talking about? (see prev.) Precisely what experience this woman has, I want to know, aside from being married to Bill, that is.

...
Oh no, clearly having ambition is BAD!
Caesar had ambition.

Oh wait, I think you're right. That really worked out for him.

Nevermind.

... Knife in the back! Et tu, Brutus? Et tu?

...

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:31 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)

Do you know any muslim men with harems? Does using grown up words like 'allogenous' make your kneejerk nonsense look less stupid? Will gay marriage and abortion demolish the french economy?

er...

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:52 am

heavycola wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
heavycola wrote:Can someone explain what gay marriage and abortion will do to the economy?
help demolish it and replace native workforce with an allogenous one (yep, those muslims are pretty busy with their 4 wives)
Do you know any muslim men with harems? Does using grown up words like 'allogenous' make your kneejerk nonsense look less stupid? Will gay marriage and abortion demolish the french economy?

er...

If you want to deny a 20% decrease in birth rates is not going to affect the economy, please, be my guest. You will however come accross as perpetrating, how do you say, "kneejerk nonsense".

Hillary Clinton

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