Hillary Clinton

Mr_Adams · Post by **Mr_Adams** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:16 pm

Neutrino wrote:
Carebian Knight wrote:There's is no such thing as true freedom, human nature will not allow it.
What do you mean by "true freedom"?

[size=0]Oh, and just to spark another debate:[/size] God's nature doesen't allow freedom, period.

[size=0]why does everyone keep using these tiny fonts?[/size]

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:17 pm

To confuse and infuriate.

Mr_Adams · Post by **Mr_Adams** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:19 pm

Neutrino wrote:To confuse and infuriate.

Shirls · Post by **Shirls** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:23 pm

Man oh man - I am a patriotic American for sure but it is hard to stomach just how dumb some of my fellow citizens are here. I can't believe some of the dribble contained in this post.

I am not supporting Hillary in the primaries but will enthusiastically do so if she gets the nomination. I personally think Edwards would have a better chance of winning the midwestern battleground states and having a chance in the mountain west.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:24 pm

Shirls wrote:Man oh man - I am a patriotic American for sure but it is hard to stomach just how dumb some of my fellow citizens are here. I can't believe some of the dribble contained in this post.

I am not supporting Hillary in the primaries but will enthusiastically do so if she gets the nomination. I personally think Edwards would have a better chance of winning the midwestern battleground states and having a chance in the mountain west.

I think you mean thread.

Carebian Knight · Post by **Carebian Knight** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:25 pm

If Clinton makes it through primaries, then we are in serious trouble.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:34 pm

Carebian Knight wrote:If Clinton makes it through primaries, then we are in serious trouble.

She will rule the US with a giant, totalitarian, communist fist, destroying "Traditional American Values" wherever she sees them. She will also turn everyone into "limp wristed liberals" who are also homosexual, in an effort to destroy everything that is Traditional and Good with the US

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:37 pm

To be frank, she would get it.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:38 pm

pity they destroyed that good old american tradition of slavery.
You complete arse.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:39 pm

Carebian Knight wrote:If Clinton makes it through primaries, then we are in serious trouble.

Having a genuine socialist in your presidentials feels pretty shit huh?

I share your pain....

Carebian Knight · Post by **Carebian Knight** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:42 pm

This is something that got e-mailed to me, the facts are true:

Subject: 33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official Language June 6, 2007. On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:35:23 -0500, "Colonel Harry Riley USA ret" wrote:

Senators,
Your vote against an amendment to the Immigration Bill, 1348, to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day no less when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock character and principles of America. I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.

I don't much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether you're black, white or some other color, male or female, democrat, republican or independent, but I do care when you're a United States Senator, representing citizens of America and vote against English as the official language of the United States.

Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your pledge of allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator...impeachment, recall, or other appropriate action is warranted.

Worse, four of you voting against English as America's official language are presidential candidates: Senator's Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Obama.

Four senators vying to lead America but won't or don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's official language when 91% of American citizens want English officially designated as our language.

This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as political hacks.....unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States. If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally rock you out of your panties...and preferable totally out of the United States Senate.

The entire immigration bill is a farce...your action only confirms this really isn't about America; it's about self-serving politics...despicable at best.

The following senators voted against making English the official language of America:

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE) Wants to be President?
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY) Wants to be President? GOD FORBID!
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) Want to be President?
Domenici (R-NM) Coward, protecting his Senate seat.. wants Navajo as the national language, didn't work before!
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI) Not unusual for him
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) Wanted to be President
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT) Disappointment here.....
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL) Wants to be President? GOD FORBID!
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) Senate Majority Leader
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
S! chumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D)

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:48 pm

And...?

Seems to be a standard "You're not patriotic enough!" smear campaign.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:50 pm

Neutrino wrote:And...?

Seems to be a standard "You're not patriotic enough!" smear campaign.

to an extent

it depends on conception of the nation

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:09 pm

Carebian Knight wrote:This is something that got e-mailed to me, the facts are true:

But the stupid claims about them being "unpatriotic" aren't.

Senators,
Your vote against an amendment to the Immigration Bill, 1348, to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day no less when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock character and principles of America. I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.

Well duh. D-day was not about helping the europeans defeat an evil and despotic tyrant who killed lots of people, but FOR AMERCUH!
And naturally, any vote about something as trivial as an official language attacks the very core of the nation. Voting against an official language is voting FOR more illegal immigrants! AAAAAAAAH! THE IMMIGRANTS! THEY ARE TEH EVIL!

I don't much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether you're black, white or some other color, male or female, democrat, republican or independent, but I do care when you're a United States Senator, representing citizens of America and vote against English as the official language of the United States.

Because you need an official language when everything is already in english.

Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your pledge of allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator...impeachment, recall, or other appropriate action is warranted.

Okaaaay....

Worse, four of you voting against English as America's official language are presidential candidates: Senator's Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Obama.

Four senators vying to lead America but won't or don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's official language when 91% of American citizens want English officially designated as our language.

This matters quite a great deal, because naturally IT MATTERSSSS!!!!

This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as political hacks.....unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States. If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally rock you out of your panties...and preferable totally out of the United States Senate.

VOTE RON PAUL! I MEAN THE GUY ONLY HAS FIRST NAMES SO HE IS A GOOD LEADER!

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:44 pm

Mr_Adams wrote:raised taxes, gay marriag, all the tipcal democrat B.S.

She raised taxes and had a gay marriage?

I always thought Bill was a man.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:26 pm

... From Iowa today:

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday that Barack Obama has too little experience and perhaps too much ambition, pressing an increasingly aggressive campaign against her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Both candidates were in Iowa, one month before the nation's leadoff caucuses with new polls showing Obama had whittled away her early lead and they were virtually tied among Democrats in the state.

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one ... or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate," Clinton said.

... See what I'm talking about? (see prev.) Precisely what experience this woman has, I want to know, aside from being married to Bill, that is.

...

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:41 pm

Carebian Knight wrote: The following senators voted against making English the official language of America:

Bunch of lies

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote ... s_id=13888

radiojake · Post by **radiojake** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:46 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Carebian Knight wrote:If Clinton makes it through primaries, then we are in serious trouble.
Having a genuine socialist in your presidentials feels pretty shit huh?

I share your pain....

It's funny that you actually think Clinton is a socialist. Morons. (Just because she may seem more 'leftist' or 'liberal' compared to the republican party (which isn't hard) doesn't mean she is a socialist) Geez. Why don't you start pulling the old 'RED UNDER THE BED' threat to really scare everyone.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:47 pm

Heimdall wrote:
Carebian Knight wrote: The following senators voted against making English the official language of America:
Bunch of lies

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote ... s_id=13888

Wow....

So both Obama and Clinton were actually in favor. That's just a lie. Who should I believe more? An anomynous email from some guy or a site with actual stats. I think you might guess the answer.

Hint: It's the email.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:47 pm

radiojake wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Carebian Knight wrote:If Clinton makes it through primaries, then we are in serious trouble.
Having a genuine socialist in your presidentials feels pretty shit huh?

I share your pain....
It's funny that you actually think Clinton is a socialist. Morons. (Just because she may seem more 'leftist' or 'liberal' compared to the republican party (which isn't hard) doesn't mean she is a socialist) Geez. Why don't you start pulling the old 'RED UNDER THE BED' threat to really scare everyone.

k

ritz627 · Post by **ritz627** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:48 pm

Sorry to interrupt, but this was on page one, and I wanted to say something:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Bill has cheated on her numerous times, if that's not enough to show that something is up, I don't know what is.

Either that or she did the Christian thing and forgave him.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:49 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... From Iowa today:

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday that Barack Obama has too little experience and perhaps too much ambition, pressing an increasingly aggressive campaign against her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Both candidates were in Iowa, one month before the nation's leadoff caucuses with new polls showing Obama had whittled away her early lead and they were virtually tied among Democrats in the state.

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one ... or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate," Clinton said.

... See what I'm talking about? (see prev.) Precisely what experience this woman has, I want to know, aside from being married to Bill, that is.

...

Oh no, clearly having ambition is BAD!

ritz627 · Post by **ritz627** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:52 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... From Iowa today:

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday that Barack Obama has too little experience and perhaps too much ambition, pressing an increasingly aggressive campaign against her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Both candidates were in Iowa, one month before the nation's leadoff caucuses with new polls showing Obama had whittled away her early lead and they were virtually tied among Democrats in the state.

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one ... or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate," Clinton said.

... See what I'm talking about? (see prev.) Precisely what experience this woman has, I want to know, aside from being married to Bill, that is.

...

8 years U.S senate. Although I agree...probably not the place for Hillary to criticize.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:56 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... From Iowa today:

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday that Barack Obama has too little experience and perhaps too much ambition, pressing an increasingly aggressive campaign against her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Both candidates were in Iowa, one month before the nation's leadoff caucuses with new polls showing Obama had whittled away her early lead and they were virtually tied among Democrats in the state.

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one ... or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate," Clinton said.

... See what I'm talking about? (see prev.) Precisely what experience this woman has, I want to know, aside from being married to Bill, that is.

...
Oh no, clearly having ambition is BAD!

... Snorril, this isn't about ambition. Your arguments depend on arguing nothing but sarcasm with people who want to talk about homosexuals being evil and the like. Hillary is campaigning as "The Experienced Alternative". It's her primary "strength". haha! (sorry, had to laugh at that).

... She has no experience worthy a run for the White House. Hey, am I wrong? If I missed some great accomplishment of hers, maybe you can fill me in, eh? And avoid a comparison argument with Obama, because, 1. He too has none, and, 2. He isn't pretending to.

...

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:02 pm

Nobunaga wrote: ... Snorril, this isn't about ambition. Your arguments depend on arguing nothing but sarcasm with people who want to talk about homosexuals being evil and the like. Hillary is campaigning as "The Experienced Alternative". It's her primary "strength". haha! (sorry, had to laugh at that).

... She has no experience worthy a run for the White House. Hey, am I wrong? If I missed some great accomplishment of hers, maybe you can fill me in, eh? And avoid a comparison argument with Obama, because, 1. He too has none, and, 2. He isn't pretending to.

...

Oh I was just commenting on her riduculous claim that Obama had "too much" ambition. I think the whole thing is ridiculous, but I'm way too drunk too read more than 2 sentences.