Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

[unriggable]

WM, look at the back teeth, they are used for grinding. Same teeth found on a typical fruit-eating monkey, or a panda, or an iguana. For an all-spikes mouth though, there is no doubt, it eats meat.

[viperbitex]

This is actualy very easily explained. God created the "thunder Lizards" as you say, because they were part of the creation, they did not go extinct when the flood came, rather they have shrunk. where do you live? I bet it's somewhere where there are lizards right? if those lizards were to be put in an artificial enviroment (It is belived that the atmospheric pressure of Earth was much higher, nearly doubled) After 7 or 8 generations, you would have very large lizards, or if you will, a Dinosaur.

wow...I mean...wow.

I am utterly speechless because I know you believe this 100%. If this is what the masses believe, there is no hope for our country.

you don't belive what I say? why don't you research it. I'm not sure all the specifics, but it's been tested. same idea as the hyperbaric chambers used for speeded recovery of major injuries such as full body burns and such things. It's been shown that any plant/animal that lives in such an enviromnt will have increased life span and growth rate. Since most reptiles don't have the same growth paters as humans ,ie. they don't go threw a growth spurt in thier early life and then stop growing,rather they grow at a constint rate thier entire life, a small lizard could easily grow to sizes no other lizard you've ever seen could achive.

I have to disagree with you there homeslice. Reptiles don't grow their whole life. they will continue to shed their whole life to heal injuries but depending on the species there are always size limits.

Now, I'm not being condescending...trying not to be, but you are saying that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time? Earth quakes, climate shifts, weather, volcanic activity can explain why some artifacts and foot prints from the distant past are mixed up together, even though they are from different eras.

Not to mention the fact that we have mountains of bones that carbon date to the same time, scientifically proved without reasonable doubt that there was mass extinction....not a mass shrinkage.

Theory on why the dinosaurs became extinct:
Atmospheric change triggered the ice age. The ice age killed off vegetation for the super sized plant eaters. With no big game, the larger carnivores also died off. Over time almost all the extra large super size dino's croaked because of lack of food and change of environment.
Then why do we still have smaller reptiles you ask? Simple, because at this same time a pretty unknown species known as mammals began to dominate the earth. The smaller reptiles could survive off eating these smaller creatures and insects. And thus, the rise of mammals and eventually man.

So again, I ask you.....religiously speaking, God was wearing his silly pants and made the dinosaurs for shits and giggles??

[Snorri1234]

I think you missed a theory regarding their extinction there.
God decided that the dino's weren't his chosen people, so he figured he might as well destroy them and begin a new species to be his chosen.

[viperbitex]

I believe that God intercedes on our behalf. I don't know how it works, but most people that have miracles asked for them. Knowing that God wants them healed. God, doesn't want his love ones to Lack for any good thing. He wants us to relieve all! Death is for everyone!!!!!!

except Jobe right? Oh yeah, and Jesus and his apostles....

[Beastly]

Jesus came to restore what was lost! Job is old testament.

[Mr_Adams]

Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

because we do... Why don't you?

[Neutrino]

Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

because we do... Why don't you?

Because I find it hard to believe in a creature supported only in a series of old books, who apparently created the universe, yet seems to take perverse pleasure in confusing, then punishing due to this confusion, it's creations.
Especially whn there are tens of thousands of alternatives, each with essentially the same chance of being correct and an infinite number of possibilities beyond that.

[Snorri1234]

Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

because we do... Why don't you?

Because I find it hard to believe in a creature supported only in a series of old books, who apparently created the universe, yet seems to take perverse pleasure in confusing, then punishing due to this confusion, it's creations.
Especially whn there are tens of thousands of alternatives, each with essentially the same chance of being correct and an infinite number of possibilities beyond that.

Qft.

[Mr_Adams]

Not to mention the fact that we have mountains of bones that carbon date to the same time, scientifically proved without reasonable doubt that there was mass extinction....not a mass shrinkage.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html

read, it will tell you all you need to know about C-14 dating... In the first 2 sentences.

[Mr_Adams]

Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

because we do... Why don't you?

Because I find it hard to believe in a creature supported only in a series of old books, who apparently created the universe, yet seems to take perverse pleasure in confusing, then punishing due to this confusion, it's creations.
Especially whn there are tens of thousands of alternatives, each with essentially the same chance of being correct and an infinite number of possibilities beyond that.

just like to point out, God is the creator, not a creature which implies having been created

[Skittles!]

Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

because we do... Why don't you?

Because I find it hard to believe in a creature supported only in a series of old books, who apparently created the universe, yet seems to take perverse pleasure in confusing, then punishing due to this confusion, it's creations.
Especially whn there are tens of thousands of alternatives, each with essentially the same chance of being correct and an infinite number of possibilities beyond that.

just like to point out, God is the creator, not a creature which implies having been created

He was created.

By the human race.

[Snorri1234]

Not to mention the fact that we have mountains of bones that carbon date to the same time, scientifically proved without reasonable doubt that there was mass extinction....not a mass shrinkage.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html

read, it will tell you all you need to know about C-14 dating... In the first 2 sentences.

Oh I see, since we don't use carbon-dating to determine the age of dinosaur fossils, it points out that carbon-dating for such old fossils doesn't work.

A Dinosaur carbon dated at 9,890 and 16,000 years old NOT millions of years old like evolutionists claim

Oooh, I like. So basically it still was much older than creationist claim the earth is?

wtf?

[Mr_Adams]

Jesus Freaks...why do you believe?

because we do... Why don't you?

Because I find it hard to believe in a creature supported only in a series of old books, who apparently created the universe, yet seems to take perverse pleasure in confusing, then punishing due to this confusion, it's creations.
Especially whn there are tens of thousands of alternatives, each with essentially the same chance of being correct and an infinite number of possibilities beyond that.

just like to point out, God is the creator, not a creature which implies having been created

He was created.

By the human race.

well we could go on with an argument similar to

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but that would be a waste of my time... If you would like to give some sort of proof that God was created by the human mind, and not the other way around, please do so, other wise give some "Intelleegent" input

[Mr_Adams]

Not to mention the fact that we have mountains of bones that carbon date to the same time, scientifically proved without reasonable doubt that there was mass extinction....not a mass shrinkage.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html

read, it will tell you all you need to know about C-14 dating... In the first 2 sentences.

Oh I see, since we don't use carbon-dating to determine the age of dinosaur fossils, it points out that carbon-dating for such old fossils doesn't work.

A Dinosaur carbon dated at 9,890 and 16,000 years old NOT millions of years old like evolutionists claim

Oooh, I like. So basically it still was much older than creationist claim the earth is?

wtf?

where did that quote come from? well anyway, in reality C-14 dating is worthless on anything ove 5800 years old... the carbon is all gone by then.

[Beastly]

What I find myself wondering about the Dinosaur theory, is that,

They never find all the bones of the dinosaur. They find whole wholly Mammoths. They don't find there teeth, the triceratops, was put together entirely wrong, so they made up it's front legs to make it possible for it to walk. They don't find what food they digested, but they know what they ate. They find spear heads in the bones, but why didn't man die off when the dinosaurs did? And how did monkey's hunt dino's... And a Fossil, isn't the bone of the dinosaur, it is a imprint left, like in cement. How do we know that what they find are remains of a Bunch of Bears, or some other kind of creatures. I mean think about the hands and feet of the T-rex... they don't find there claws? or there hands. I question if people didn't just make the whole thing up to make a name for themselves?

[hecter]

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjec ... ating.html
TA DA! Read number three to find out how they date dinosaurs.

[Skittles!]

but that would be a waste of my time... If you would like to give some sort of proof that God was created by the human mind, and not the other way around, please do so, other wise give some "Intelleegent" input

I don't see many other organisms bowing down to pray to a god that they would of had some re-collection existed, seeming they were created before us, right?

Let's see with the history of Religion. This may not all be accurate, but it's the best I can get it.

Many ancient civilizations - Egyptian, Greek, Babylonia, Assyrian, parts of Africa - were great astronomers. They studied the stars, the moon, the sun. Being less technological advanced than us in modern times, they would of believed that this wonderful universe was created by a god of some kind. They believed in many gods, not just one. How else was everything meant to fall down into place if there was only one god? They worshipped these beings, because there was supposedly truth for the existence of these gods, just because those things did exist - God of the Sky, God of the Dead, God of the Ocean, Goddess of Love and Fertility etc etc.

Then came about some tribes surrounding the Jordan River, claiming only one god was the correct god - Yahweh. Defeating the Palestinians of the area, they set about the belief of Yahweh. Great stories arose - Moses, Noah's Ark, Adam and Eve etc. Great floods arose, being recorded in different religious work, but the time varying for each one. This subsequently 'proved' that god did the flood to kill humans, and other organisms except for 2 of each species.

Let's skip to Christianity. Starting in the later half of the 1st century, not by Jesus, but by his disciples. Spreading Jesus' word in the form of many books, more than half of it at that time from the Hebrew religious book (can't think of the name at the moment), it gained more and more followers. In the Roman Empire, it was bad. Being prosecuted for different religious beliefs, namely Christianity. All because of a some books. Over the ages, more and more people contributed to this sequence of books. Some giving away too much information in the death of Jesus by Roman hands, and contradicting other authors, in the 4th century a meeting took place to set down the New Testament. It took out some books, it took out some pieces of writing in some books. In the end, it came out with the Bible - half of it Jewish, half of it Christian.

Now, that's all created by Humans. I see no reason why a meeting would take place if it was actually the Word of God. If it was the Word of God, I'm sure there would not of been a meeting and God would of intervened, correct? Spreading his Gospel is what he wants, supposedly, so why would he want some bits taken out? The Truth is what he wants, supposedly, but why would he let a group of Catholic priests sort out his Gospel, not theirs?

It took a long time to write that, and I don't even know why I did. I know there are some pieces missing, but whatever. You're just going to claim I'm under the scrutiny of Satan, so there's no point arguing.

[Snorri1234]

What I find myself wondering about the Dinosaur theory, is that,

They never find all the bones of the dinosaur. They find whole wholly Mammoths. They don't find there teeth, the triceratops, was put together entirely wrong, so they made up it's front legs to make it possible for it to walk. They don't find what food they digested, but they know what they ate. They find spear heads in the bones, but why didn't man die off when the dinosaurs did? And how did monkey's hunt dino's... And a Fossil, isn't the bone of the dinosaur, it is a imprint left, like in cement. How do we know that what they find are remains of a Bunch of Bears, or some other kind of creatures. I mean think about the hands and feet of the T-rex... they don't find there claws? or there hands. I question if people didn't just make the whole thing up to make a name for themselves?

Well firstly, dinosaurs are much, much older than mammoths. So it makes sense that you would find less of them.

Futhermore, the derived what they ate by looking at the teeth and comparing it to current animals.

[hecter]

You were a bit off Skittles. Back in the life of Jesus, he was crucified, as that was the punishment for claiming to be the saviour back then. He wasn't exactly uncommon... Everybody was doing it. Then, in about the 3rd/1st (not sure which) century, somebody decided to pick it up and start spreading the word of Jesus. I think his name was Paul, but I'm not entirely sure. In about the fourth century, Constantine went and used Christianity as a political tool. He claimed to be a Christian, even through throughout his entire life (even when he was a "Christian") he believed in and worshipped the Roman sun God. Thus was the rise of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity. If it weren't for those two people, Christianity would have just died off with Jesus.

[Skittles!]

You were a bit off Skittles. Back in the life of Jesus, he was crucified, as that was the punishment for claiming to be the saviour back then. He wasn't exactly uncommon... Everybody was doing it. Then, in about the 3rd/1st (not sure which) century, somebody decided to pick it up and start spreading the word of Jesus. I think his name was Paul, but I'm not entirely sure. In about the fourth century, Constantine went and used Christianity as a political tool. He claimed to be a Christian, even through throughout his entire life (even when he was a "Christian") he believed in and worshipped the Roman sun God. Thus was the rise of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity. If it weren't for those two people, Christianity would have just died off with Jesus.

I know what happened to Jesus, just not bothered to add it as it seemed to be the most obvious thing to guilt-driven Catholics.

I know all of that, hecter

[Heimdall]

If you would like to give some sort of proof that God was created by the human mind, and not the other way around, please do so, other wise give some "Intelleegent" input

I can't prove it without a doubt, but the law of probabilty sure indicates that he was created by the human mind.

First off, every civilization/religion has it's own version of a god or multiple gods. The romans, greeks and vikings had multiple gods, each having a specific function. Why would their gods be any less real then your christian god?

The truth is that humans are very imaginative and also have a profound desire to explain everything around them, including their own existence. That's where god came from.

[Neutrino]

What I find myself wondering about the Dinosaur theory, is that,

They never find all the bones of the dinosaur. They find whole wholly Mammoths. They don't find there teeth, the triceratops, was put together entirely wrong, so they made up it's front legs to make it possible for it to walk.

That's because they are millions of years old. Anything that old is unlikely to remain conviently in one piece.
Anyway; to twist your argument: if dinosaur and mammoth are essentially the same age (as stated in the bible) why are dinosaur skeletons broken up while mammoth ones remain in once piece?

They don't find what food they digested, but they know what they ate.

No, they inferred what they ate.
It's not certain, but the general food-group is most likely correct.

They find spear heads in the bones,

Linkage?
Also, dinosaur skeletons aren't exclusive to the last few centuries. Erosion quite often exposes fossils and it is possible, though not likely for them to leave relics there.

but why didn't man die off when the dinosaurs did?

Because dinosaurs were quite significantly pre-humanity?
It would be quite a feat to die off long before you ever evolved...

And how did monkey's hunt dino's...

That's what I want to know.
Just in case you didn't notice, that's the bible's interpretation, not evolutionists'.

And a Fossil, isn't the bone of the dinosaur, it is a imprint left, like in cement. How do we know that what they find are remains of a Bunch of Bears,

Because no "Bunch of Bears" looks like this, no matter how dead it may be?

I question if people didn't just make the whole thing up to make a name for themselves?

So you're saying that hundreds of thousands of archaeologists are simultaneously lying, all to make a name for themselves?
God, you're worse than Xtra.

[Heimdall]

As far as Jesus is concerned, if he really existed, chances are he was some really bright and charismatic guy who was able to create a following like David Koresh, Jim Jones, Rael, Mahomet, to anme a few. History is full of these guys that thing they are the all might's son and/or messenger. Christianity was a cult that later became a religion due to the size of its following.

[graeme89]

[quote="hecter"]You were a bit off Skittles. Back in the life of Jesus, he was crucified, as that was the punishment for claiming to be the saviour back then. He wasn't exactly uncommon... Everybody was doing it. Then, in about the 3rd/1st (not sure which) century, somebody decided to pick it up and start spreading the word of Jesus. I think his name was Paul, but I'm not entirely sure. In about the fourth century, Constantine went and used Christianity as a political tool. He claimed to be a Christian, even through throughout his entire life (even when he was a "Christian") he believed in and worshipped the Roman sun God. Thus was the rise of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity. If it weren't for those two people, Christianity would have just died off with Jesus.[/quot


But even though Jesus wasn't a bad guy . And I'll sttick to that


Guiscard you think too much

[hecter]

You were a bit off Skittles. Back in the life of Jesus, he was crucified, as that was the punishment for claiming to be the saviour back then. He wasn't exactly uncommon... Everybody was doing it. Then, in about the 3rd/1st (not sure which) century, somebody decided to pick it up and start spreading the word of Jesus. I think his name was Paul, but I'm not entirely sure. In about the fourth century, Constantine went and used Christianity as a political tool. He claimed to be a Christian, even through throughout his entire life (even when he was a "Christian") he believed in and worshipped the Roman sun God. Thus was the rise of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity. If it weren't for those two people, Christianity would have just died off with Jesus.

But even though Jesus wasn't a bad guy . And I'll sttick to that


Guiscard you think too much

I'm not saying he was, those are just the facts (that I was taught in school).