Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:31 am

I love how people consider the Bible to be evidence.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:39 am

unriggable wrote:I love how people consider the Bible to be evidence.

Where did I say the Bible was evidence. I said the evidence and what we find and know about the world is supported by the Bible better than evolution.

Again I will show this with my response to question #3 (see 3 posts ago)

WM

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unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:40 am

You didnt really say it but it was implied the way you answered Q3.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:41 am

unriggable wrote:You didnt really say it but it was implied the way you answered Q3.

Well then we will all need to wait until i post then won't we?

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unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:42 am

WidowMakers wrote:
unriggable wrote:You didnt really say it but it was implied the way you answered Q3.
Well then we will all need to wait until i post then won't we?

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No the mini-answer.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:35 pm

You totally and completely failed to understand question #2. The question is why, if god created all the animals at the same time, we don't find any modern day animals in the fossil layer. If all animals have been here all along, why don't they appear in the fossillayer?

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:02 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:You totally and completely failed to understand question #2. The question is why, if god created all the animals at the same time, we don't find any modern day animals in the fossil layer. If all animals have been here all along, why don't they appear in the fossil layer?

Sorry. I misunderstood the question. I will actually get to the fossil record in my response to #3. But the quick answer is that there are VERY few fossil that represent the vertebrate type creature. less tan 0.1% of fossils are vertebrate. Which is why we have few fossil to look at. But I will touch on this much further.

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Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:26 pm

WidowMakers wrote:WidowMakers Personal Opinion Disclaimer: The views and opinions of WidowMakers expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of Conquer Club (the site), its administrators, moderators or members (premium or freemium) and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.

Were you serious?!?

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:58 pm

major bump...

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:03 pm

Don't worry I am still putting this together. I have a major Canada map issue currently.

WM

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:04 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:major bump...

Let old topics lie.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:09 pm

To quote Bill Hicks:

"FOSSILLS".

And bye-bye Creationism...

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:10 pm

Frigidus wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:major bump...
Let old topics lie.

It is not old it is just being worked on. Be patient. This is not a topic you can just type in a sentence and that be good enough. I am trying to do my best an write a proper comparision and issue list.

suggs wrote:To quote Bill Hicks:

"FOSSILLS".

And bye-bye Creationism...

Don't worry i get into the fossil aspect. It is not as concrete as everyone would lead you to believe. TONS of speculation and conjecture that cannot be proven right or wrong so it is accepted. I will deal with it more in the topical post.

WM

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:12 pm

Yes you can. There is no "issue". Creationism is pure nonsense.
Please dont try and give it any sort of credibility-its disrespectful of "isms" that make sense on any sort of non-fairy tale basis.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:16 pm

Essentially a conspiracy theory.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:21 pm

Im all honesty, that cobblers about Bush starting 9/11 has more plausibility than "creationism".
I love the way God, in his best conspiritorail fashion, left fossils aroud to confuse and test us. "Yipee, hes a trickster God", just what we need.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:15 pm

suggs wrote:"Yipee, hes a trickster God", just what we need.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:19 pm

hearty chuckle!

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:45 am

WidowMakers wrote:
Don't worry i get into the fossil aspect. It is not as concrete as everyone would lead you to believe. TONS of speculation and conjecture that cannot be proven right or wrong so it is accepted. I will deal with it more in the topical post.

I bet you're totally right.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:27 am

I wish Widowmaker would respond again. It would be funny to see his attempts to reason away creationism.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:51 am

Don't you mean "evolution"?

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:56 am

Yes on second thought, that sentence doesn't make a lot of sense.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:00 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:Yes on second thought, that sentence doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's what happens when...

Location: In your house

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:15 pm

As a biology major, I have to say that reading these threads is one of the most painful, depressing experiences. Observing such disrespect and closed-mindedness to my field of study, not to mention individuals much more intelligent than I, is nothing short of breathtaking. The distortions of facts and red herring tactics are amusing, albeit overused.

However, the masochist in me loves coming to these threads and reading the creative arguments that make for good conversation.

I'm going to go ahead and preempt WidowMakers fossil argument as follows: I don't know where that "less than 0.1% of fossils are vertebrate fossils" statistic comes from but it doesn't sound improbable so I'll use it. If every organism died today and fossilized, I would bet that vertebrates would make up about 0.1% of the fossils. There are probably enough arthropods (insects, spiders, etc) in the world to dwarf vertebrate fossils to such a small statistic, and that's not including other inverts.

Additionally, if you, for some unknown reason, broke down and decided that the earth really is billions of years old, you might see that the amount of time that invertebrates have been around is much, much, much, much longer than vertebrates have been around, leaving plenty of time for those invertebrate fossils to build up. But then again, all that evolution nonsense is based on faith, right?

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:36 pm

Neoteny wrote: However, the masochist in me loves coming to these threads and reading the creative arguments that make for good conversation.

Yeah, I fear that's the same reason for me to come to these threads.