More 911 problems.Twin Towers. this government says pancaked

[Snorri1234]

In court, the expert witness needs not provide proof. His experience and charcter is supposed to be considered respectively in a court of law. So I don't want to hear anything about experts not providing proof. Their epxpertise is their proof. And we should give creedance to their words, beliefs, and convictions.

But they base their claims on the info given by the government. This only shows that the government is giving false information, not that the plane didn't crash in the pentagon.

[xtratabasco]

In court, the expert witness needs not provide proof. His experience and charcter is supposed to be considered respectively in a court of law. So I don't want to hear anything about experts not providing proof. Their epxpertise is their proof. And we should give creedance to their words, beliefs, and convictions.

But they base their claims on the info given by the government. This only shows that the government is giving false information, not that the plane didn't crash in the pentagon.

this government says a 757 hit the pentagon and vaporized

[muy_thaiguy]

This has been disprovd many times. The steel was incredibly weakened from the collision and then from the flames, thus reducing the strenght of them immensly. Not to mention the upper floors added to the weight of it. Also, when those towers were constructed, they were designed for much smaller planes, not massive Boeings, but it was there construction that allowed them to stand long enough to get alot of people evacuated.

The History Channel and Discovery Channel have had shows that has debunked this and other theories.

[Dancing Mustard]

This has been disprovd many times. The steel was incredibly weakened from the collision and then from the flames, thus reducing the strenght of them immensly. Not to mention the upper floors added to the weight of it. Also, when those towers were constructed, they were designed for much smaller planes, not massive Boeings, but it was there construction that allowed them to stand long enough to get alot of people evacuated.

The History Channel and Discovery Channel have had shows that has debunked this and other theories.

I agree with this post.






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[Snorri1234]

In court, the expert witness needs not provide proof. His experience and charcter is supposed to be considered respectively in a court of law. So I don't want to hear anything about experts not providing proof. Their epxpertise is their proof. And we should give creedance to their words, beliefs, and convictions.

But they base their claims on the info given by the government. This only shows that the government is giving false information, not that the plane didn't crash in the pentagon.

this government says a 757 hit the pentagon and vaporized

That's is not all that the government says, you're being a dick.
According to that conspiracyvideo the government says the plane flew above the grass and into the pentagon. Yeah that sounds pretty impossible, but maybe the plane did hit the ground, which doesn't sound that impossible.

[xtratabasco]

In court, the expert witness needs not provide proof. His experience and charcter is supposed to be considered respectively in a court of law. So I don't want to hear anything about experts not providing proof. Their epxpertise is their proof. And we should give creedance to their words, beliefs, and convictions.

But they base their claims on the info given by the government. This only shows that the government is giving false information, not that the plane didn't crash in the pentagon.

this government says a 757 hit the pentagon and vaporized

That's is not all that the government says, you're being a dick.
According to that conspiracyvideo the government says the plane flew above the grass and into the pentagon. Yeah that sounds pretty impossible, but maybe the plane did hit the ground, which doesn't sound that impossible.

Col. George Nelson disagrees with the governments story that the 757 vaporized



Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career.

Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.
Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net

[s.xkitten]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

Conspiracy theories are often built around anomalies which are difficult to prove either way. The "assumptionists" are convinced they know what the anomaly is. One such anomaly is the so called "Squibs".

They say this anomaly is an explosive charge going off and a sure sign of Controlled Demolition. It's often followed by more video of charges going off in real Controlled Demolitions. But if we examine the anomaly closely, we see these [would be] explosives work in reverse to an explosive blast. They tend to spurt out and then increase with time. An explosive works in reverse to this. Its strongest point is the moment the charge is set off. It doesn't increase its explosive strength with time.

So what is this then? Why would debris jet out of windows far below the collapse?

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents. Another is falling debris like elevators or elevator parts/motors and/or columns free falling down the elevator shafts and slamming into lower floors creating debris. In a sense the floors are large plungers and the towers are just one big Syringe during the collapse.

During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

[s.xkitten]

and xtra, you do realize that half the people you quote do not have expertize in the area that they are talking about

[xtratabasco]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





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[xtratabasco]

and xtra, you do realize that half the people you quote do not have expertize in the area that they are talking about

Does Capt. Daniel Davis have any expertize in the area that they are talking about?




Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

[DangerBoy]

Oh please! This theory is still being put out there?

Let me kill 2 birds with one stone here. First of all, Backglass already refuted this months ago if I remember correctly. Second, I want to apologize to Backglass for going off on him in another thread.

[xtratabasco]

Oh please! This theory is still being put out there?

Let me kill 2 birds with one stone here. First of all, Backglass already refuted this months ago if I remember correctly. Second, I want to apologize to Backglass for going off on him in another thread.

yes, and the movement is getting bigger and bigger because more and more lies by this government are being uncovered. Backglass to date, hasnt disputed anything, but holds to the lies and impossibities this government sells those who cant think for themselves.




http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/


Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

Statement to this website 9/19/06: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and WTC 7, the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon ...

[Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and was not hit by an airplane. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And 5 and 1/2 years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

[s.xkitten]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





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and freefall...

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

[xtratabasco]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





next

and freefall...

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

but the problem remains (and please site your sources, I did) steel doestn melt, bend or compromise at the low tempertures that would allow live human beings to hang outside the holes where the planes hit.

see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

[Iliad]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





next

and freefall...

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

but the problem remains (and please site your sources, I did) steel doestn melt, bend or compromise at the low tempertures that would allow live human beings to hang outside the holes where the planes hit.

see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

What? The holes where the planes hit were burning!!

[Guiscard]

This thread doesn't deserve 8 pages...

[Knight of Orient]

by reading the last 6 replies its more proof that you fools will do and say whatever this government tells you.




eeemmmm like, lets say Iran is gonna get us.


Booooooo




gee I wonder if bush will have a black flagg operation like say they the Iranians attack one of our battleships and lets just say they kill a bunch of us, and then lets say the citizens of the US get all pissed, and then lets say they give in to a draft.

yeah thats it, lets call this the PNAC reason to invade the Middle East emmmmm I mean Iran cuzz the citizens now know how bad those guys wanna kill us and stuff, yeah thats the ticket.


they will buy that crap cuzz some of them think that the more posts they make they win. and they already ate up that stuff about the 757 that vaporized and the 19 kids with box cutters and stuff....

in remarks to the draft comment, the only way the president could call for a draft that we, the american people, to abide to, would be if if we were under invasion. dont be naive to the point of assuming that they will call a draft to have us fight in yet another war. they wont unless we are truly in danger.

[muy_thaiguy]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





next

and freefall...

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

but the problem remains (and please site your sources, I did) steel doestn melt, bend or compromise at the low tempertures that would allow live human beings to hang outside the holes where the planes hit.

see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

The steal was weakened from the impact and the explosion. That has mentioned numerous times.

[s.xkitten]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





next

and freefall...

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

but the problem remains (and please site your sources, I did) steel doestn melt, bend or compromise at the low tempertures that would allow live human beings to hang outside the holes where the planes hit.

see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

Jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C

the above quote is from some website i don't remember, that i read a while ago the first time we went through this.


The rest of the quotes come from here

and pics of people standing in the holes where the planes hit, right after the planes hit, please

[s.xkitten]

This thread doesn't deserve 8 pages...

QFT

[xtratabasco]

Twin Towers was shutdown for a weekend, no security at all. Then when employees came back, they heard what sounded like construction inside the building, but when they went to investigate the noises, no one was there. And why were there squib trails shooting out of the towers, especially at the first sections of the towers, the section where the towers were built stronger to endure the weight of the tower itself? Why do I always see doctors and engineers that refute the pancake theory, but if the History Channel or Popular Mechanics says the conspiracy is a farce, many Americans seem to go along with those as sources instead? And what about those UFOs?

SQUIB ANSWER:

It could be a number of things, by themselves or in combination. One reasonable explanation is a buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they pancaked, (Please read the link to explain the NIST / Pancaking issue) pushed debris out of the already broken windows and/or open vents.


During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air. But not all the air went so easily out the window space. There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns. So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core. The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up. Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...

couldnt have been pancake because the buildings came down in less than 10 seconds/free fall speed. pancake would have caused resistance as each floor hit each floor also pancake wouldnt have poliverized concrete and steel into micro size dust, which by the way, is killing the police and firemen and citizens in the area who breathed that dust in.

There are pictures of pancaked buildings on the internet and they just flop over on there side in large sections, not straight down in their own footprint.





next

and freefall...

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

but the problem remains (and please site your sources, I did) steel doestn melt, bend or compromise at the low tempertures that would allow live human beings to hang outside the holes where the planes hit.

see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

The steal was weakened from the impact and the explosion. That has mentioned numerous times.

first go watch the video, then will debate, I already know this governments story of the pancake theory.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

ok so how did it come down it free fall speed 10 seconds and was pulvirized, and I disagree with you and we have been over this before.

[s.xkitten]

IT DIDN'T FALL AT FREE FALL SPEED

already posted

go back and re-read

[xtratabasco]

IT DIDN'T FALL AT FREE FALL SPEED

already posted

go back and re-read

watch the video then will debate.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

I already know this governments story of how the fire melted the steel which caused the buildings to come down perfectly in 10 seconds.

[muy_thaiguy]

You know how many of those damn videos I've seen? More then what you have been posting. Not to mention s.x already posted that it had NOT fallen at freefall speed.

[s.xkitten]

it didn't come down in ten seconds, and i already told you, i'm not watching some shit movie that is an hour and a half long. Its a huge waste of time because people like you have to believe that the government is against us all.