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TitusFinn wrote: But the choice should be mine, not my neighbors.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Contraception is the only smart way to deal with the natural sexual drive.
Spuzzell wrote: science has provided us with the means to avoid life destroying consequences ... and I am a believing Christian.
Frigidus wrote:but now that it's become relatively popular it's suffered the usual downturn in coolness.
Kylie wrote:qee ur all wrong if we encouraged teens to go out and have sex we would have another baby boom era
neurological studies have proven that the rational part of the brain, particularly the section that deals with decision-making, is one of the last areas of the brain to develop and mature, often not reaching full developement until the early twenties.
I, however, am absolutely sure that I haven't fathered any kids or contracted any STDs. Can you say the same? And considering your answer, let me ask you another question: which of us is more likely to have avoided "life destroying consequences"?
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Spuzzell wrote: science has provided us with the means to avoid life destroying consequences ... and I am a believing Christian.
No. Science has provided us with an easy and direct path to life destroying consequences, the baby's. Since you say you are a Christian you would know that life begins at the very moment the sperm hits the egg.
I've completely ignored nikolai and spuzzels arguments in my post, but oh well.
HighBorn wrote:agian as with abortion womans choice..NOBODY elses.. the womans.... nuff said
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
jay_a2j wrote:HighBorn wrote:agian as with abortion womans choice..NOBODY elses.. the womans.... nuff said
Highborn would a mother of a two month old have the "choice" to kill her child? If the baby is living when it comes out of the womb why is it NOT living months , weeks or days before its born? The child in the mothers woumb is NOT her body...the child has a body of its own. And people need to stop playing God in deciding who lives and who dies.
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As for my accepting the consequences point regarding planes and such... it seems like it's been rebutted twice, so please stop doing so, it was a stupid point, and not all that relevent to the conversation anyway.
Honestly I think the real problem in society today is that a lot of peoples' lives are based around a mindless hedonism.
But... as regards it being purely getting off, that's an odd way of looking at it. As long as the act is not committed in a purely selfish fashion, then surely it amounts to more. Kids are not the be all and end all of sex.
Spuzzell wrote:jay_a2j wrote:HighBorn wrote:agian as with abortion womans choice..NOBODY elses.. the womans.... nuff said
Highborn would a mother of a two month old have the "choice" to kill her child? If the baby is living when it comes out of the womb why is it NOT living months , weeks or days before its born? The child in the mothers woumb is NOT her body...the child has a body of its own. And people need to stop playing God in deciding who lives and who dies.
No, of course not. Killing a living child is murder, the taking of existing life.
Abortion is preventing life from starting. Until conciousness is attained a foetus is just a growth in the mother. If she judges that she can't or won't give the potential child the support it deserves then stopping gestation before it's any more than a growth is absolutely her decision, and morally necessary.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Who lives and dies is Gods decision alone anything else is morally wrong.
jay_a2j wrote:Spuzzell wrote:jay_a2j wrote:HighBorn wrote:agian as with abortion womans choice..NOBODY elses.. the womans.... nuff said
Highborn would a mother of a two month old have the "choice" to kill her child? If the baby is living when it comes out of the womb why is it NOT living months , weeks or days before its born? The child in the mothers woumb is NOT her body...the child has a body of its own. And people need to stop playing God in deciding who lives and who dies.
No, of course not. Killing a living child is murder, the taking of existing life.
Abortion is preventing life from starting. Until conciousness is attained a foetus is just a growth in the mother. If she judges that she can't or won't give the potential child the support it deserves then stopping gestation before it's any more than a growth is absolutely her decision, and morally necessary.
If its a life when it leaves the womb its a life before it leaves. Its not just a mass of tissue that springs to life once out of the womb. LIFE has started the moment that determined little sperm breaks through the eggs outer layer. Who lives and dies is Gods decision alone anything else is morally wrong.
heavycola wrote:Who lives and dies is Gods decision alone anything else is morally wrong.
CASE IN POINT. It's not about when life actually begins or viability. It's all about your god. I decide what is morally right all by myself. It's incredible.
By the way - Leviticus says man laying down with man is a sin, right? BUt it also says in levitivus 19 that you should not put on garments made of differing threads. So which one is more important? Does wearing jeans and a wool sweater make you as much a sinner as a gay man? And why/why not?
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Spuzzell wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Spuzzell wrote:jay_a2j wrote:HighBorn wrote:agian as with abortion womans choice..NOBODY elses.. the womans.... nuff said
Highborn would a mother of a two month old have the "choice" to kill her child? If the baby is living when it comes out of the womb why is it NOT living months , weeks or days before its born? The child in the mothers woumb is NOT her body...the child has a body of its own. And people need to stop playing God in deciding who lives and who dies.
No, of course not. Killing a living child is murder, the taking of existing life.
Abortion is preventing life from starting. Until conciousness is attained a foetus is just a growth in the mother. If she judges that she can't or won't give the potential child the support it deserves then stopping gestation before it's any more than a growth is absolutely her decision, and morally necessary.
If its a life when it leaves the womb its a life before it leaves. Its not just a mass of tissue that springs to life once out of the womb. LIFE has started the moment that determined little sperm breaks through the eggs outer layer. Who lives and dies is Gods decision alone anything else is morally wrong.
You're missing the point. No-one is saying that once the baby is self-aware in the womb it should be killed, but before it is it's part of the mothers body, nothing more, nothing less.
And I'm sorry, but the God I worship gave us self-determination. Excusing yourself tough decisions with "oh, lets just leave it to God" isn't what He intended.
Like I posted yesterday, abortion in Catholicism has been the mothers decision for 95% of the churches existance. When outside extremist pressure is off the church, the default position of Christianity is that the mother's wishes take precedence, which is exactly as it should be.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
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