WWII WESTERN FRONT [Quenched]

RobinJ · Post by **RobinJ** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:33 pm

hulmey wrote:i like the idea of bombardment but its very true becuase once the whole of britain has been bombarded nobody else can own it!!!

The problem with this is, if my thinking is correct, that whoever owns Britain can't lose - just one attack route would be nice. Perhaps you could use an airfield system where maybe an ally territory (if there actually are any) could link to it

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:30 am

Hulmey and RobinJ,maybe you dont read all discusion of bombardment,but like i say these will stay like now ,and only when map get quenched,and if have some big problem with these,then i will reconsider to change these option,Now we can not know how these will work in game.So please move to next issue.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:36 am

Looking at a map of France and your Eastern Front map it might be good to have the Lorie river connect to the ocean as your rivers in Eastern Front do. Right now it has a line cutting it off and it just makes it look odd from my perspective.

Also with the river it might be nice to have the double arrows showing the pass over instead of the little land bridge. It would help it be more uniform with Eastern Front and the land bridge does look a little weird.

I don't really see anything else that bothers me at the moment, keep up the good work on this.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:22 pm

If you dont notice Coleman,the arrows in Eastern front is present attack from one country to another country,and here these not same because these is one country and that why i put bridge,and these symbol is very comon on maps,insted of some pictures of bridge.
As concerne of river in sea,i will change these ok.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:25 pm

Coleman wrote: Wisse: Does the realism need to be so exact that we have whatever islands you're talking about?

yup those islands are a great part of the netherlands if you would show me a picture of it without it i would have to think if it is the netherlands, but if you do show me one with islands i see it in 1 second

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:33 pm

Wisse if i start puting all island in map(not only for Netherland)they will be some small pixell on sea,and people will every time ask "what these px on sea present?".

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:19 pm

qwert...this is coming along very nicely....
* is there anything you can do to alleviate that dark patch around the islands in Hollands...its very eye distracting....
* also have you considered having a territory in top left corner or somewhere there to represent america with a link to britain. so that it doesn't get killed off completely, and does represent the "realism" of the troop movements across the atlantic.

insomniacdude · Post by **insomniacdude** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:08 pm

qwert wrote:Hulmey and RobinJ,maybe you dont read all discusion of bombardment,but like i say these will stay like now ,and only when map get quenched,and if have some big problem with these,then i will reconsider to change these option,Now we can not know how these will work in game.So please move to next issue.

Sorry, but I can't throw my support behind this map unless that is changed. It'd be one thing to have the island be bombard only and that's that. But you gave the island both a star and a continent bonus. That means that there is a HUGE advantage to the person/people that start off in the other two countries on the island. I don't think that kind of randomness should impact so greatly the gameplay. For one it is rendering the other two starred countries useless as starred countries - in the Eastern front map if the starred country is taken you generally have the chance to fight back for it. If someone bombards London and you don't own either of the other two countries on the island, that continent bonus is officially cut off for you forever.

the decision makes absolutely no sense to me, which is a shame because I really like the Eastern front map and I love the concept of the Road to Berlin map.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:10 pm

cairnswk Posted: 18 Sep 2007 21:19 Post subject:

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qwert...this is coming along very nicely....
* is there anything you can do to alleviate that dark patch around the islands in Hollands...its very eye distracting....
* also have you considered having a territory in top left corner or somewhere there to represent america with a link to britain. so that it doesn't get killed off completely, and does represent the "realism" of the troop movements across the atlantic.

1.I will try to do something with these.
2.Very dificulty,if you notice i have problems to put Bonus box,and i think that is no room to put any territory to britain to represent america.I think that we must stop discusing of bombardment option and move to next step.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:13 pm

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qwert wrote:
Hulmey and RobinJ,maybe you dont read all discusion of bombardment,but like i say these will stay like now ,and only when map get quenched,and if have some big problem with these,then i will reconsider to change these option,Now we can not know how these will work in game.So please move to next issue.
Sorry, but I can't throw my support behind this map unless that is changed. It'd be one thing to have the island be bombard only and that's that. But you gave the island both a star and a continent bonus. That means that there is a HUGE advantage to the person/people that start off in the other two countries on the island. I don't think that kind of randomness should impact so greatly the gameplay. For one it is rendering the other two starred countries useless as starred countries - in the Eastern front map if the starred country is taken you generally have the chance to fight back for it. If someone bombards London and you don't own either of the other two countries on the island, that continent bonus is officially cut off for you forever.

the decision makes absolutely no sense to me, which is a shame because I really like the Eastern front map and I love the concept of the Road to Berlin map.

If i understand,you tell me that player who hold britain win?

insomniacdude · Post by **insomniacdude** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:27 pm

qwert wrote:
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qwert wrote:
Hulmey and RobinJ,maybe you dont read all discusion of bombardment,but like i say these will stay like now ,and only when map get quenched,and if have some big problem with these,then i will reconsider to change these option,Now we can not know how these will work in game.So please move to next issue.
Sorry, but I can't throw my support behind this map unless that is changed. It'd be one thing to have the island be bombard only and that's that. But you gave the island both a star and a continent bonus. That means that there is a HUGE advantage to the person/people that start off in the other two countries on the island. I don't think that kind of randomness should impact so greatly the gameplay. For one it is rendering the other two starred countries useless as starred countries - in the Eastern front map if the starred country is taken you generally have the chance to fight back for it. If someone bombards London and you don't own either of the other two countries on the island, that continent bonus is officially cut off for you forever.

the decision makes absolutely no sense to me, which is a shame because I really like the Eastern front map and I love the concept of the Road to Berlin map.

If i understand,you tell me that player who hold britain win?

No, not necessarily. It does give them an unfair advantage, though, because they have an infinitely higher probablity of gaining a bonus (either the Britain continent bonus or the starred countries bonus) then someone who is not currently on the island. So their chances of getting more bonus troops at the beginning of their turn are statistically higher than anybody other player's that aren't on the island simply because of access; a player with access to 9 continent bonuses will have a better chance at getting a continent bonus than someone who has access to seven continent bonuses.

I went back in the thread and saw your reasoning on it. I like you're trying to keep the historical integrity of the map, but you have to draw a line at some point, and I think this is it. I'm on the site and in the games for the gameplay, not the history lesson. Right now your current idea destroys gameplay.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:48 pm

Well i think that you wrong, better position will be holding Italy,and who wants to hold britain,he can espect all time attack from all 3 side,and he must hold army in all 3 terittory and every time he must Deploying troops in all 3 terittory.

insomniacdude · Post by **insomniacdude** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:53 pm

qwert wrote:Well i think that you wrong, better position will be holding Italy,and who wants to hold britain,he can espect all time attack from all 3 side,and he must hold army in all 3 terittory and every time he must Deploying troops in all 3 terittory.

Yeah that is a huge disadvantage for a person who might own Britain, but that doesn't even compare to the disadvantage of someone who has limited land over which to fight. It's like cutting off the Castle portion of the map in Siege to anyone on the outside. If you weren't lucky enough to have a drop inside the castle, then write yourself up as fucked.

Black Warior · Post by **Black Warior** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:45 am

Mate is it me or is someth missing, well i noticed thath the Battle of the
Bulge is missing or is there under another name?'

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:02 am

Here new update,and i create large image to.
1.Fix Islands on Holland
2.Coleman i forget Rivers to fix,later ok.
small

large

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:08 am

Black Warior Posted: 19 Sep 2007 05:45 Post subject:

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Mate is it me or is someth missing, well i noticed thath the Battle of the
Bulge is missing or is there under another name?'

Yes,maybe you dont know but these battle also have second name Battle of Ardenees.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:20 am

That looks awesome, but keep in mind that the capitals are useless unless you remove the bombardments.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:43 am

qwert wrote:Wisse if i start puting all island in map(not only for Netherland)they will be some small pixell on sea,and people will every time ask "what these px on sea present?".

sure? i think they are bigger than that... if you can show a pic of it, then i would look if it is so as you say as i don't know it now

BeakerWMA · Post by **BeakerWMA** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:02 pm

Maybe drop Britains bonus from 3 to 2? I have to agree with the anti-non-invasion of Britain crowd. It will seriously impact the gameplay of the map IMO (but the map does look awesome).

The fact that I would have to use my fortifying armies to bombard Britain and get no territory in return would make me not do it, giving a HUGE advantage to anyone who drops on Britain, especially as I would not earn a card after the bombardment as I didn't take a territory.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:16 pm

Well if the person with Britain was going to obviously win wouldn't you start to bombard it? Or is the idea to concede to their victory? I'm a bit confused on the logic there. What makes a 2 more okay then a 3 in your mind exactly? How is a Britian focused player supposed to always win? This isn't classic, they don't have a quick jump from Britian to an African style continent, it's going to be tough to expand from Britian.

So I guess I'm in favor of 3 myself.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:46 pm

unriggable Posted: 19 Sep 2007 16:20 Post subject:

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That looks awesome, but keep in mind that the capitals are useless unless you remove the bombardments.

Like i say before,we will se how these work in game,so please stop discusion abouth Bombardment option.

BeakerWMA Posted: 19 Sep 2007 17:02 Post subject:

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Maybe drop Britains bonus from 3 to 2? I have to agree with the anti-non-invasion of Britain crowd. It will seriously impact the gameplay of the map IMO (but the map does look awesome).

The fact that I would have to use my fortifying armies to bombard Britain and get no territory in return would make me not do it, giving a HUGE advantage to anyone who drops on Britain, especially as I would not earn a card after the bombardment as I didn't take a territory.

Sorry Beaker,people have option for Bonus,and you probably dont be here where these decision is made, and you can se in first page.
I hope that i dont going again 10-15 days discusion of bonuses.
I dont know what hepend when you bombard some terittory,do you get card or not,these is question for MOd squad.
HUGE advantage i dont think so.

BeakerWMA · Post by **BeakerWMA** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:54 pm

Heh, no worries, just trying to alleviate the bombardment issue another way.

Of course the person who drops on Britain won't always win, it's just a distinct advantage that I think will negatively affect the gameplay of the map. I wouldn't hold it up for a month or two over it or anything, get some game tests in and see how she works out, if the testers say it's cool, then giddyup and quench!

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:06 pm

Qwert....i want ask before this go to final forge....

* when i look very close, your borders on territories...they are very jaggered, not smooth.
is this because you use "hard line", not "soft line" for these.

* thanks for attending to dark area in holland islands.

* what is the little gold line under the signature 2007...it looks odd.

* your mountains are very good..i like them

* amry circles are good

* can you make white cross in switzerland move north a little so it is not cut by the border

* a suggestion for all stars in legend - the number is out of line with other numbers above it. is it possible to move number in line with other numbers and place 3 small stars in front of number. or do something you think to make this look better.

Well done so far. Four stars...of course

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:33 pm

cairnswk Posted: 20 Sep 2007 22:06 Post subject:

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Qwert....i want ask before this go to final forge....

* when i look very close, your borders on territories...they are very jaggered, not smooth.
is this because you use "hard line", not "soft line" for these.

* thanks for attending to dark area in holland islands.

* what is the little gold line under the signature 2007...it looks odd.

* your mountains are very good..i like them

* amry circles are good

* can you make white cross in switzerland move north a little so it is not cut by the border

* a suggestion for all stars in legend - the number is out of line with other numbers above it. is it possible to move number in line with other numbers and place 3 small stars in front of number. or do something you think to make this look better.

Well done so far. Four stars...of course

1.Well like you know,i create these map,that have same parameter like WWII EASTERN FRONT,so borders is same like in these map.
2.No problem.
3.

very good question,i stay these place for years 2008 if map not be finish before.
4.You like MOuntain,these is good.
5.Yes they also same like in Eastern Front.
6.Move suise up,ok.
7.Well these also i want to be like eastern front,but these map have no space.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:08 am

Wisse wrote:
qwert wrote:Wisse if i start puting all island in map(not only for Netherland)they will be some small pixell on sea,and people will every time ask "what these px on sea present?".
sure? i think they are bigger than that... if you can show a pic of it, then i would look if it is so as you say as i don't know it now

you missed my post