Illegal Immigrants...

[umanouski]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say. <mod edit of flames>

[salr15]

I smell a lock down coming...

[misterman10]

LOCK 'ER DOWN

[muy_thaiguy]

I'm with you on this.

[Nephilim]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say.

you're an idiot......


and a racist......

[wicked]

please feel free to discuss civilly. I moved it here, where any discussion of illegal immigrants should be. As such, the flames were removed, so please don't go there or you'll be warned.

[muy_thaiguy]

Why is he an idiot and a racist for saying that illegals are criminals and should be either punished or booted back home?

[mandalorian2298]

Why is he an idiot and a racist for saying that illegals are criminals and should be either punished or booted back home?

But illegal imigrants are illegal only by the laws of the country in wich they came. Since they are not citicens of that country, but of one from wich they came, whose laws do not forbid them from leaving it; they are not criminals.

[misterman10]

Why is he an idiot and a racist for saying that illegals are criminals and should be either punished or booted back home?

But illegal imigrants are illegal only by the laws of the country in wich they came. Since they are not citicens of that country, but of one from wich they came, whose laws do not forbid them from leaving it; they are not criminals.

they are criminals for ENTERING the US. This is a big issue here in New Mexico so I know.


and mandy, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH FIRCOAL?

[nagerous]

because it is an arrogant opinionated statement with no evidence backing up its claim. 99.9% of immigrants are illegal?!? That is a complete fabrication.

[OnlyAmbrose]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say.

you're an idiot......


and a racist......

incidentally, he's not an idiot. He's absolutely right. They came legally because we had next to no immigration laws.

Anyways, here's my stance on immigration-

Yes, illegal immigration is a big problem, and yes, it's causing some serious social and economic issues...

but the trouble I have with people like xtra is that they blame the wrong people. He can cuss out illegal immigrants and use all the racial slurs he wants, but it doesn't make him right- the fact is, most of the immigrants have perfectly good intentions. Most don't have any idea that what they're doing is wrong.

The people to blame are in the government. Both ours and theirs. The Mexican government openly encourages illegal immigration, and ours essentially lets them walk right in.

That being said, can you blame the Mexicans for walking right in? If their own government thinks it's cool and our government doesn't do anything about it, I'd probably immigrate illegally too.

It's not the immigrants' fault, which is why it ticks me off when xtra makes all his "#$&% ALL YOU ILLEGAL B#*NER MOTHER@#*()%&# SONS OF @*(&#ES!" posts. They are GROUNDLESS.

If you're going to attack the problem, attack it where it really lies- the governments of our two nations. Don't take your anger out on the immigrants themselves.

[muy_thaiguy]

because it is an arrogant opinionated statement with no evidence backing up its claim. 99.9% of immigrants are illegal?!? That is a complete fabrication.

Re-read it. Closely.

[Norse]

One thing that gets my goat about illegal immigration in Britain, is the actual process that is taken by our government.

Instead of saying, "right, lets get them on the next plane home", they are locked in asylums (which copst the taxpayer around 800 pounds per week per person...) and this environment is obviously not a great one for the illegal (despite having sky television/cable internet/playstation 3's etc. at their disposal during this time), so they then burn down and wreck the asylum, causing 60 million quid's worth of damage... happens on a yearly basis now in this country.

It's a crazy beuraucratic mess, and we need to sort it out.

[sam_levi_11]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say.

you're an idiot......


and a racist......

incidentally, he's not an idiot. He's absolutely right. They came legally because we had next to no immigration laws.

Anyways, here's my stance on immigration-

Yes, illegal immigration is a big problem, and yes, it's causing some serious social and economic issues...

but the trouble I have with people like xtra is that they blame the wrong people. He can cuss out illegal immigrants and use all the racial slurs he wants, but it doesn't make him right- the fact is, most of the immigrants have perfectly good intentions. Most don't have any idea that what they're doing is wrong.

The people to blame are in the government. Both ours and theirs. The Mexican government openly encourages illegal immigration, and ours essentially lets them walk right in.

That being said, can you blame the Mexicans for walking right in? If their own government thinks it's cool and our government doesn't do anything about it, I'd probably immigrate illegally too.

It's not the immigrants' fault, which is why it es me off when xtra makes all his "#$&% ALL YOU ILLEGAL B#*NER MOTHER@#*()%&# SONS OF @*(&#ES!" posts. They are GROUNDLESS.

If you're going to attack the problem, attack it where it really lies- the governments of our two nations. Don't take your anger out on the immigrants themselves.

at last...common sense

[sam_levi_11]

One thing that gets my goat about illegal immigration in Britain, is the actual process that is taken by our government.

Instead of saying, "right, lets get them on the next plane home", they are locked in asylums (which copst the taxpayer around 800 pounds per week per person...) and this environment is obviously not a great one for the illegal (despite having sky television/cable internet/playstation 3's etc. at their disposal during this time), so they then burn down and wreck the asylum, causing 60 million quid's worth of damage... happens on a yearly basis now in this country.

It's a crazy beuraucratic mess, and we need to sort it out.

i agree, maybe browns new goverment will sort this mess out....id rather have him than david cameron who is a prat and a blair clone

[Norse]

i agree, maybe browns new goverment will sort this mess out..

Fingers crossed

[kwanton]

What people fail to consider is that this has been a problem with most major nations. The U.S. is a *relatively* new country and a major world power. Most of the economically powerful countries had to deal with an explosion of immigration at one point or another. The only thing that can be done to solve this "problem" is wait it out. Time is really the only solution. Eventually, socio-economic problems will solve themselves as poorer countries develop, but the only thing that the U.S. can do to stem the tide of "illegal" immigration is to help the poorer countries economically.

[cawck mongler]

More people create more jobs in order to satisfy their needs, so no illegal immigrants aren't necessarily a drain on the economy. What is a drain on the economy is when they send the money that they make home to their families, or to whatever immigration ring that smuggled them into the country (I'm mainly referring to America, as they bitch about it most).

A better way for America to improve their economy and keep their jobs in the country, would be to get out of the North American Trade Agreement. NATA is deindustrializing America and moving all their jobs Mexico in order to exploit its cheap labor, yet all the politicians bitch about immigration. This is because politicians are backed by their corporate sponsors and as long as they can keep turning a profit they don't give a f*ck if Americas slowly turning into a third world shit hole.

Another thing about illegal immigrants, is that they themselves don't usually commit the crimes, they're usually industrious and behave better then actual Americans, it's their kids that cause all the trouble.

[kwanton]

it's their kids that cause all the trouble.

Exactly. Many people say "just deport them" in regards to illegal immigrants. But if they have children then those children are legally U.S. citizens. There is nothing anyone can do about that. No one has the right to deport them. The problem is, how can the parents be split from the children? Especially if they are young.

[luns101]

Why is he an idiot and a racist for saying that illegals are criminals and should be either punished or booted back home?

Because it's an easy way to avoid the actual topic.

[cawck mongler]

it's their kids that cause all the trouble.

Exactly. Many people say "just deport them" in regards to illegal immigrants. But if they have children then those children are legally U.S. citizens. There is nothing anyone can do about that. No one has the right to deport them. The problem is, how can the parents be split from the children? Especially if they are young.

That's not what I'm referring to. Illegal immigrants don't bother to, and don't have the chance to integrate into American culture. They're also on the low end in terms of wealth, put those two together and you have a breeding pool for criminal activity. If the American government wants to stop the social impact the immigrants cause (which they don't, as it distracts voters from real issues), then they should do more to assimilate them.

[mandalorian2298]

Why is he an idiot and a racist for saying that illegals are criminals and should be either punished or booted back home?

But illegal imigrants are illegal only by the laws of the country in wich they came. Since they are not citicens of that country, but of one from wich they came, whose laws do not forbid them from leaving it; they are not criminals.

they are criminals for ENTERING the US. This is a big issue here in New Mexico so I know.


and mandy, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH FIRCOAL?

I don't know anything. And you have no evidence. YOU ARE BLUFFING! BLUFFING I TELL YOU!

As for the immigrants, yes they are breaking US laws, but they are not US citizens, so they really have no obligation to abide those laws. They are as big criminals as a US citizen is if he drinks alcohol, thus breaking Iranian laws.

[kwanton]

That's not what I'm referring to. Illegal immigrants don't bother to, and don't have the chance to integrate into American culture. They're also on the low end in terms of wealth, put those two together and you have a breeding pool for criminal activity. If the American government wants to stop the social impact the immigrants cause (which they don't, as it distracts voters from real issues), then they should do more to assimilate them.

Well that's just a generalization that's not true of all illegal immigrants. I have a friend who immigrated here and does not have citizenship. His family is from Brazil and the parents speak mainly Portugese, but I consider the kids no less American than I am. I can't imagine any of them doing anything criminal (other than immigrating here if you want to consider that criminal). The fact that they don't have social security numbers and whatnot holds them back but they're actually slightly better off than I am monetarily

[mandalorian2298]

i agree, maybe browns new goverment will sort this mess out..

Fingers crossed

Mexican immigrants are overflowing Portsmouth?

[sam_levi_11]

lol, no , ull have to ask norse as im in london but i dont think mexican immigrant are overflowing there...

and another thing, many people in america can trace their roots back to italy. with the majority of them being immigrants.