2008! The White House!

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:36 pm

... Well, I begin this thread with the hopes of encouraging discussion and sharing news on any and all candidates for the 2008 United States Presidential election.

... I ask that we avoid letting this thread degrade into an argument. This is about the candidates, and your thoughts on the candidates, it is not a forum for "This guy blows!", or "Shrillary is beotch!", what have you. If you are incapable of contributing in a positive manner - actually adding something informative or newsworthy to the thread, please post in some other thread.

... To begin, I will list all but the Independent declared candidates: And leave it open from there.

The DEMOCRATS!!

Senator Joe Biden

Senator Christopher Dodd

Senator Hillary Clinton

Former Senator John Edwards

Former Senator Mike Gravel

Representative Dennis Kucinich

Senator Barack Obama

Governor Bill Richardson
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The REPUBLICANS!!

Senator Sam Brownback

Jim Gilmore former Governor of Virginia

Rudy Giuliani former mayor of New York City

Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas

Representative Duncan Hunter

Senator John McCain

Representative Ron Paul, M.D.

Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts

Representative Tom Tancredo

Fred Dalton Thompson, former Senator

Tommy Thompson, former Governor of Wisconsin

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Constitution Party:

Jerome R. Corsi
Don Grundmann
Bryan Malatesta
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Green Party:

Elaine Brown
Kent Mesplay
Kat Swift
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Libertarian Party:

Bob Jackson
Steve Kubby
George Phillies
Wayne Allyn Root
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National Socialist Movement:

John Bowles
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Prohibition Party:

Gene Amondson
Earl Dodge
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Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:40 pm

I will be voting Republican. Right now I'm leaning heavily towards Fred Thompson.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:43 pm

Currently my favorite is John McCain. He would lead with this thing that's called "common sense". Most Democratic candidates don't seem to have that.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:48 pm

I don't have any hardcore numbers...but I'm hearing that Obama has been doing extremely well with his fundraising efforts. I'll go check out some stats unless someone else finds them and posts them first.

I vote Republican, but nobody in that field really gets me motivated to vote. The person who is probably closest to my views is Duncan Hunter. I met him a couple of times down in San Diego as well, so that obviously sways my opinion a little.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:50 pm

luns101 wrote:I don't have any hardcore numbers...but I'm hearing that Obama has been doing extremely well with his fundraising efforts. I'll go check out some stats unless someone else finds them and posts them first.

I vote Republican, but nobody in that field really gets me motivated to vote. The person who is probably closest to my views is Duncan Hunter. I met him a couple of times down in San Diego as well, so that obviously sways my opinion a little.

Obama (I've read) had $32million in donations? Is that right?

And about Hunter... I've heard a little bit about him (mostly from the Hannity radio show, he likes him) what do you like about him? I have a tough time, when it comes to actually voting in the primaries, voting for someone who doesn't have a chance, so... think he has a chance to move up at all?

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:55 pm

Serbia wrote:And about Hunter... I've heard a little bit about him (mostly from the Hannity radio show, he likes him) what do you like about him?

Well first of all, he's for eliminating the teaching of anything related to the Lions in public schools...

I like him because he keeps to his conservative principles despite the criticism. He has also stood against President Bush on certain issues. So he's not just a "yes" man.

I like Tancredo as well, but he seems to almost be a one-issue candidate - Illegal Immigration.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:57 pm

luns101 wrote:I like Tancredo as well, but he seems to almost be a one-issue candidate - Illegal Immigration.

Tancredo is decent as well, although you are correct that the only thing he is known for is Illegal Immigration as it is a huge problem here in Colorado.

DangerBoy · Post by **DangerBoy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:03 am

I'll be too young to vote until the 2012 election. I think it would be a real shame if the Republican Party did not nominate Mitt Romney just because he is a Mormon.

My history teacher told us that it is extremely unlikely that Barack Obama or Mitt Romney could be elected. His reasoning was that there has only been one time in US history that someone outside of the Protestant Christian camp has been elected (Kennedy).

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:11 am

DangerBoy wrote:I'll be too young to vote until the 2012 election. I think it would be a real shame if the Republican Party did not nominate Mitt Romney just because he is a Mormon.

My history teacher told us that it is extremely unlikely that Barack Obama or Mitt Romney could be elected. His reasoning was that there has only been one time in US history that someone outside of the Protestant Christian camp has been elected (Kennedy).

I would only vote for Mitt Romney if he was running against Hillary Clinton. If the Republicans select Mitt(which I assure you they won't), I'd probably vote for the Democrats, some small party candidate, or an independent candidate. But that's for my own personal reasons.

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:14 am

i can't vote by less then a month!

which therefor means that i haven't really thought about it much, but i do really like Obama...

umm...i hope that isn't a pointless post, since the first post said no pointless posts...

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:16 am

s.xkitten wrote:i can't vote by less then a month!

which therefor means that i haven't really thought about it much, but i do really like Obama...

umm...i hope that isn't a pointless post, since the first post said no pointless posts...

No worries s.xkitten, you're input is never worthless.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:17 am

s.xkitten wrote: umm...i hope that isn't a pointless post, since the first post said no pointless posts...

... Not pointless. I'm just concerned about this thread becoming a childish fight and a yelling match... politics does that sometimes.

...

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:18 am

DangerBoy wrote:I'll be too young to vote until the 2012 election. I think it would be a real shame if the Republican Party did not nominate Mitt Romney just because he is a Mormon.

My history teacher told us that it is extremely unlikely that Barack Obama or Mitt Romney could be elected. His reasoning was that there has only been one time in US history that someone outside of the Protestant Christian camp has been elected (Kennedy).

He isn't the worst choice I've seen but I definately would not vote Romney. It's not about his faith, I don't really take faith into consideration but I just have doubts about how strong he will be as a leader.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:19 am

If a Dem is elected, I personally take a "anybody but Hillary" stance. I'm curious how the democrats here think of her though.

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:21 am

Caleb the Cruel wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:i can't vote by less then a month!

which therefor means that i haven't really thought about it much, but i do really like Obama...

umm...i hope that isn't a pointless post, since the first post said no pointless posts...
No worries s.xkitten, you're input is never worthless.

i'm going to assume that was sarcastic, as it was coming from you...

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:22 am

Nobunaga wrote:
s.xkitten wrote: umm...i hope that isn't a pointless post, since the first post said no pointless posts...
... Not pointless. I'm just concerned about this thread becoming a childish fight and a yelling match... politics does that sometimes.

...

noooo...politics does that all the time...

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:37 am

Serbia wrote:If a Dem is elected, I personally take a "anybody but Hillary" stance. I'm curious how the democrats here think of her though.

I can't see anybody else in the Democratic field beating her unfortunately. She does have a very high unfavorable rating. Who knows what could happen. I've been going to RealClearPolitics to see the latest polls, and it seems like the American people are mad at everyone.

Bush Job Job Approval - 30.5%....Disapproval - 64.2%
Congress Job Approval - 24.8%...Disapproval - 64.8%

btownmeggy · Post by **btownmeggy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:31 am

DangerBoy wrote:I'll be too young to vote until the 2012 election. I think it would be a real shame if the Republican Party did not nominate Mitt Romney just because he is a Mormon.

My history teacher told us that it is extremely unlikely that Barack Obama or Mitt Romney could be elected. His reasoning was that there has only been one time in US history that someone outside of the Protestant Christian camp has been elected (Kennedy).

Obama is a Protestant Christian. He belongs to the United Church of Christ.

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:35 am

Where's Ralph Nader!?!?! Nader in '08!

btownmeggy · Post by **btownmeggy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:38 am

Serbia wrote:If a Dem is elected, I personally take a "anybody but Hillary" stance. I'm curious how the democrats here think of her though.

Hillary is not terribly popular among those Democrats most likely to vote in primaries. Understandably so: she is among the most conservative Democrats running. This would usually be a good thing in a general election, so Democrats have sometimes looked past Conservatism during the primaries in order to get a Democrat into the White House. Hillary is a unique case, though. Despite being so conservative, she's WILDLY unpopular among Republican, Conservative, and Rightist males (a very vocal and powerful group). She unpopular enough with this ~20% of voters to make her essentially unelectable in a general election.

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:57 am

Although i despise Republicans, i'm very conservative as far as marriage and family are concerned, so i despise Hillary almost as much as the Republicans, but i would vote for her solely because of the health care issue.

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:01 am

I'll be able to vote in '08, so I should really be looking into this more. However, I don't think it'd be much of a shame if we had Hillary as a leader... I'd definitely prefer someone else, but if we had Hillary we'd be getting input from Bill, and he's got plenty of experience.

dwightschrute · Post by **dwightschrute** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:06 am

I am not a Republican but i will be rooting for Rudy. I like him alot with what he did through 9-11 and being the mayor of New York City is a tough job. John McCain is in my opinion the #2 guy out of that party.

As for the Democrats, I like Obama but if he doesnt win this year, he will win next time. I do not really want Hilary to win.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:17 pm

I don't get how people think Hillary is conservative, by any stretch of the imagination.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:43 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
DangerBoy wrote:I'll be too young to vote until the 2012 election. I think it would be a real shame if the Republican Party did not nominate Mitt Romney just because he is a Mormon.

My history teacher told us that it is extremely unlikely that Barack Obama or Mitt Romney could be elected. His reasoning was that there has only been one time in US history that someone outside of the Protestant Christian camp has been elected (Kennedy).
Obama is a Protestant Christian. He belongs to the United Church of Christ.

Perhaps your teacher is referring to the fact that Obama went to a muslim school in Indonesia for awhile and said prayers at a mosque as a child. He may have just been following the example of adults in that community. It is true that people have come forth and said that his parents registered him as a muslim at that school, but I would think people also register their kids as Catholics in order to gain admission to private schools when, in reality, they couldn't care less about denominational loyalties. And yes, his mother later remarried a muslim man, so that might also play into how people view him.

Ask your teacher if it's the muslim influence that's got him putting out that theory.