What was the most destructive human creation?

Anarchist · Post by **Anarchist** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:30 am

While I would state religion and politics as large contributing factors, and do agree that the industrial revolution has lots of negative baggage.

Ill point out something different. Property(or wealth)

The collecting of property and possesion creates power and wealth, governments and religions are slaves to it, as are the other the cogs in the machine.

Name one war that wasnt motivated in one way or another by the materialistic motivation of possesion. Whether it be land,resources,gold,women, or freedom.(the denouncing of being state property)

CrazyAnglican · Post by **CrazyAnglican** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:15 am

Anarchist wrote: Name one war that wasnt motivated in one way or another by the materialistic motivation of possesion. Whether it be land,resources,gold,women, or freedom.

Crazy Anglican wrote: They have it. I want it. How can I get a lot of people to use their clubs to go and get it for me?

Okay so you were more eloquent than me, but we were saying the same thing.

I don't, however, agree that we need to go to government ownership. If you take away the possibility of progressing and improving a worker's situation in life, then you are also taking away the motivation to work hard.

One thing that religions excel at and strongly centralized economic plans seem to lack is offering hope.

The problem with material gain is not with the people who work hard and honestly get ahead. The problem is with the people who make greed their driving force and stop caring about others.

AlgyTaylor · Post by **AlgyTaylor** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:14 am

CrazyAnglican wrote:The problem with material gain is not with the people who work hard and honestly get ahead. The problem is with the people who make greed their driving force and stop caring about others.

This is very true. It's probably been the main downfall with communist regimes in the past - although that's not to say that communism would never work in the future, it just has to address that issue

Anarchist · Post by **Anarchist** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:41 pm

I agree crazyangelican, I must have missed your post.

I didnt mean to imply government ownership for that is still the possesion of property, I was actually looking at Buddhist and Indian examples. The progression under socialism is directed not towards individual wealth but to the community, building public instead of private etc..

Yes spirituality does offer hope, however so does Decentralised Economic plans(workers revolution)

That is the downfall of both Communism and Capitalism, the key to make communism work in the future is to remove the government collectivism.
Aka Decentralisation.

Wonder if Capitalism could work without money?
(free market would be nice, but still allows for many of the same problems in societies ambitions)
I would imagine it would be somewhat like Socialism, where the consumer provides the materials and the business provides the product.
I know its the Barter System,but can Capitalism sustain it? Without automatically resorting to some other form of system.

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:50 am

Anarchist wrote:I agree crazyangelican, I must have missed your post.

I didnt mean to imply government ownership for that is still the possesion of property, I was actually looking at Buddhist and Indian examples. The progression under socialism is directed not towards individual wealth but to the community, building public instead of private etc..

In the end, you serve the 'Greater Good' and willingly enslave yourself to it. Meaning if the State says don't have kids, they force contriceptives and abortion on you, regardless of your feelings, no matter how noble, because they aren't serving the 'Greater Good'. For an Anarchist, you seem to have a wonderful, governed utopia planned out now don't you?

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:02 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Anarchist wrote:I agree crazyangelican, I must have missed your post.

I didnt mean to imply government ownership for that is still the possesion of property, I was actually looking at Buddhist and Indian examples. The progression under socialism is directed not towards individual wealth but to the community, building public instead of private etc..

In the end, you serve the 'Greater Good' and willingly enslave yourself to it. Meaning if the State says don't have kids, they force contriceptives and abortion on you, regardless of your feelings, no matter how noble, because they aren't serving the 'Greater Good'. For an Anarchist, you seem to have a wonderful, governed utopia planned out now don't you?

As opposed to serving the greater God? If he says homosexuality is wrong you despise homosexuals and deny them rights... Doesn't sound too different yo your belief system really!

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:09 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
unriggable wrote:
CrazyAnglican wrote:
Backglass wrote:
mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.
Hmmm. Both are partaken of voluntarily; as Guiscard stated, religion has been a very constructive influence in human history as well.

I'm not saying that people haven't died as a result of their religious beliefs, but asserting that people die for a lot of beliefs. When it comes down to it, a greedy person will use whatever means necessary to garner more for himself. Religions, traditions, clan ties, patriotism, abstract concepts like honor, these have all been used as reasons for killing others. There is nothing inherently evil about any of them. The underlying evil is human greed. Get rid of religion and the same people will use other means to persuade the masses.
No but some people get so tied up in religion, like the Islamic suicide bombers, that they can no longer see the world for what it is, only for what they think it will be. I doubt any other means can be used to convince somebody to kill themselves.
How about the extreme nationalism we saw in the Nazies and the Imperial Japanese? I don't think there is that much a difference in flying a bomb-loaded plane into a battleship and strapping a dynamite vest on. To paraphase a line from Jurassic Park, "War will find a way".

How about recruiting ads? You wave a flag while the star spangled banner plays in the background to persuade some kid that signing up for duty in iraq or afghanistan is an honourable thing to do...

talk about nationalism...

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:41 am

chewyman wrote:
hecter wrote:
pancakemix wrote:
luns101 wrote:Country Music
QFT.

All four of you are wrong. Oprah is worse.

Hungry Hungry Oprahs

"Oprah is hungry, and she's out to get your balls."

Hungry Hungry Oprahs is a famous board game developed by Parker Brothers at Oprah's command. When Oprah saw her joint venture with Sony to take over the world using televisions was floundering, she started seeking an alternative method of world domination.

Originally, Oprah was going to collaborate with Nintendo to have the game developed, but at the time, Nintendo did not have the technology to create genetically altered human beings (see below).

In the game, you have a square board with Hungry Hungry Oprahs attached. The Oprahs are the first board game pieces to ever be genetically altered human beings. Parker Brothers' scientists have cloned Oprah and tweaked the DNA to produce small hippopotamus-like Oprahs that have large mouths for forced feeding family fun.

Players manipulate the Hungry Hungry Oprahs using buttock-mounted levers in a method called TAPPIN' DAT ASS. The food included for this game includes whole chickens and turkeys, large pigs, loaves of bread, gallons of Kool-aid, lettuce, diet coke, and matzah balls.

Recently, a computerized version of the game has been released. The game was mainly marketed towards the credit card holding masses due to the nature of the in game bonus mini games in which players race to fill out more magazine subscriptions in a set period of time. Dr. Phil also makes an appearence to guilt your virtual Oprah into buying magazine subscriptions for the hidden easter egg weight loss tips.

The game was fairly well received, but Oprah is still not Queen of the Universe.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:45 am

heavycola wrote: How about recruiting ads? You wave a flag while the star spangled banner plays in the background to persuade some kid that signing up for duty in iraq or afghanistan is an honourable thing to do...

talk about nationalism...

... Well, it is an honorable thing to do.

... Sure, the ads are 90% BS, and the service is not what anybody thinks it is. You find that out after you're in... but there's honor in service... and it makes men of boys (90% of the time it does, anyway).

...

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:46 am

Nobunaga wrote:there's honor in service...

why?

Jasona · Post by **Jasona** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:59 am

Government

Now before you go off calling me an anarchist, I'm just saying the Government has the potential to become the most destructive force and alot of time when in the hands of certain people Is. However in the hands of other people Government has the potential to be the most helpful force.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:02 am

........

diddle · Post by **diddle** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:24 am

Jasona wrote:Government

Now before you go off calling me an anarchist, I'm just saying the Government has the potential to become the most destructive force and alot of time when in the hands of certain people Is. However in the hands of other people Government has the potential to be the most helpful force.

thats a good point, and its been proved countless numbers of times

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:12 am

Jasona wrote:Government

You anarchist!!!

Jasona wrote: Now before you go off calling me an anarchist, I'm just saying the Government has the potential to become the most destructive force and alot of time when in the hands of certain people Is. However in the hands of other people Government has the potential to be the most helpful force.

oops!

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:37 pm

heavycola wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:there's honor in service...
why?

For me it got me to stop thinking about myself so much and put the lives of other members of my company ahead of my own. I think was a good step in helping me mature as a person.

I'll never forget hearing from this Gunnery Sergeant who served in Korea who told me that when it really comes down to it and you're in the middle of a firefight...you're really just fighting for your right to live to see another day. All the stuff about fighting for your country gets thrown out the window and it's just you and your buddies slugging it out together. This guy was as patriotic as anyone I'd ever met, but he was telling me how much it changed him to actually kill a bunch of the enemy and see it with his own eyes.

n8freeman · Post by **n8freeman** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:33 pm

me

im am the most destructive invention known to man

Anarchist · Post by **Anarchist** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:38 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Anarchist wrote:I agree crazyangelican, I must have missed your post.

I didnt mean to imply government ownership for that is still the possesion of property, I was actually looking at Buddhist and Indian examples. The progression under socialism is directed not towards individual wealth but to the community, building public instead of private etc..

In the end, you serve the 'Greater Good' and willingly enslave yourself to it. Meaning if the State says don't have kids, they force contriceptives and abortion on you, regardless of your feelings, no matter how noble, because they aren't serving the 'Greater Good'. For an Anarchist, you seem to have a wonderful, governed utopia planned out now don't you?
As opposed to serving the greater God? If he says homosexuality is wrong you despise homosexuals and deny them rights... Doesn't sound too different yo your belief system really!

Jenos, I think you would find Nationalist-Anarchism an interesting read.
http://www.attackthesystem.com

Dedicated to voluntary sovereign rule, allowing me to create my utopia and you to create yours. Whether it be of white supremacy,capitalism where homosexuality is punishable by death or a community dedicated to a free society like the hippies wanted to create. What I am against is Dictation, forcing others to live according to a minorities lifestyle.

While this wont take care of overpopulation,eventually leading to groups expanding for resources yet again.(Being much more difficult due to lack of large nations) While educating everyone on the importance of having only one child, we cannot expect nor enforce it. This would lead to a Muslim world. Organised religion is another hairball I havent figured out how to overcome. How do you teach the people not to believe what they are taught,but to teach themselves what they believe?

Example; I support the legalisation of cocaine, aslong as those who choose to take it are aware of the negative consequences they are putting themselves at risk too.(Free education) This does not mean that your community must legalise it, you may execute them for all I care. However dont expect me to live in your community.

DangerBoy · Post by **DangerBoy** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:51 pm

n8freeman wrote:me

im am the most destructive invention known to man

I knew it. I hope I never have to meet you in all your wrath during a game!

Huckleberryhound · Post by **Huckleberryhound** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:56 pm

I'd go with....Money.

Then religion.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:34 am

At this moment I think that Islam is the most destructive human creation.

OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:41 am

Caleb the Cruel wrote:At this moment I think that Islam is the most destructive human creation.

*PC patrol* Radical Islam, that is. */PC patrol*

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:45 am

OnlyAmbrose wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:At this moment I think that Islam is the most destructive human creation.
*PC patrol* Radical Islam, that is. */PC patrol*

That's debatable. Most Islam is "radical" as the Quran teaches the destruction of the infidels...But let's not turn this into a huge debate...

OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:48 am

No debate intended, I was joking.

Balsiefen · Post by **Balsiefen** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:35 am

Caleb the Cruel wrote:At this moment I think that Islam is the most destructive human creation.

hmm, i would actually think its closer to christianity, the crucades and inquisitions in the middle ages did hugely more damage than modern terrorism, and they were supported by every major gouvernment in europe. Islamic countries however were peceful and tolerent to other religions. The ruler of egypt while being a shiite (sp) Muslim had a gouvernment made up of Suni's, Jews, Catholics and Orthadox. In all the european kingdoms you were the religion of your king or dead.

However it is not fair to single out any religion as the most destructive human creation. Religions a whole, possibly, but no single religion is worse than the next

UCAbears · Post by **UCAbears** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:41 am

gethine wrote:my son.

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